From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:05:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14856: A slight mistake in the emacs TUTORIAL, IMHO Resent-From: Michael Dan Mossinsohn Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14856 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 14856@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13736520345157 (code B ref -1); Fri, 12 Jul 2013 18:01:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2013 18:00:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51078 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdx-0001L1-3g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39198) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhds-0001Ki-Lm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdk-0007IX-Nf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:23 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,BITLY_URI, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID, T_REMOTE_IMAGE,URIBL_DBL_REDIR autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38294) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdk-0007IT-KP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40908) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhdh-0002kN-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:20 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhde-0007Hd-Ii for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:17 -0400 Received: from mail-ve0-x243.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::243]:44730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uxhde-0007HV-Du for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 14:00:14 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f195.google.com with SMTP id ox1so1692506veb.10 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=BBJUOAVnda8RLXVEoxN774UzyPTLmGyXSIBXiOrMeOM=; b=gKG9mQOw+umlRe1zjwUcf9mPOeA++X8jkIpDUZFCfdWNOnk91gj6Kl/BLv0drLurcp 0LXHYGjmBf+gUXPQx4W++5QnAjeeaiTuO0Zbd/dqwN7vXQcQmua2WU4JczTQDKdgpHty MvmPzSgUgNo3meYtQ9um3Ad3XcEpLNPJH6+w2ph1XOPN6Csu3YbsCz52M3RCROlz6G0h 7q6xv8STxe0B562bPU4PBaJFlSRsWUtlh2Ks008KBRE40r39AH7nOagi6TNFttSGK5ie bK5ets2L3kTe1SxJ+AYgJP+FfRcHk0hZaWINP6ssV5wZnayzaj8vRCTZ1Aei7XqETofl LmXQ== X-Received: by 10.59.0.131 with SMTP id ay3mr24597271ved.78.1373652013626; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 11:00:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.58.170.3 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Jul 2013 10:59:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Dan Mossinsohn Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:59:33 +0300 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) --047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems to me that this sentence, from the emacs tutorial (the 'help-with-tutorial' command), contains a slight mistake: "On most terminals, the "<" is above the comma, so you must use the shift key to type it. On these terminals you must use the shift key to type M-< also; without the shift key, you would be typing M-comma." =E2=80=8BThis sentence was probably not meant to include a repetition =E2=80=8Bof the explanation that pressing the shift key is needed for typi= ng '<', but rather that pressing the shift key is needed also while typing '>'. =E2=80=8BThank you for your time and for supporting this GREAT project.=E2= =80=8B =E2=80=8B *Michael * *=E1=B6=98 =E1=B5=92=E1=B4=A5=E1=B5=92=E1=B6=85 =E1=83=9A(=E0=B2=A0=E1=B4= =A5=E0=B2=A0)* [image: Charity: Water] Donate| Share on Facebook | Share on Twitter Add this to your emails Create your free signature: CLICK HERE! =E2=80=8B --047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It seems to me that this sentence, from th= e emacs tutorial (the 'help-with-tutorial' command), contains a sli= ght mistake:
"On most term= inals, the "<" is above the comma, so you must use the=C2=A0shift key to type it. = =C2=A0On these terminals you must use the shift key=C2=A0to type M-< also; without the shift key, you wou= ld be typing M-comma.&= quot;

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=E2=80=8BThank you for your time and for supporting this GRE= AT project.=E2=80=8B
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--047d7bf0f004514c0304e1544853-- From unknown Tue Aug 19 10:05:17 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14856: A slight mistake in the emacs TUTORIAL, IMHO Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14856 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Dan Mossinsohn Cc: 14856@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14856-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14856.137382574712397 (code B ref 14856); Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 14856) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2013 18:15:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54156 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQpm-0003Ds-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:15:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60172 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQpk-0003Dj-HE for 14856@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:15:44 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQpi-0006fd-LU; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:15:42 -0400 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: kilderkin Rand Corporation World Trade Center e-bomb X-Ran: MSgk[S4FV"AotcIi(4v4-&0HB:YDBb}bitv4pEfe7k+?79N;rx:mG+!8p)4IJ`^1-<6Q=k X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:15:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Michael Dan Mossinsohn's message of "Fri, 12 Jul 2013 20:59:33 +0300") Message-ID: <06y599m2ia.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Michael Dan Mossinsohn wrote: > It seems to me that this sentence, from the emacs tutorial (the > 'help-with-tutorial' command), contains a slight mistake: > "On most terminals, the "<" is above the comma, so you must use the shift > key to type it. On these terminals you must use the shift key to type M-< > also; without the shift key, you would be typing M-comma." > > =E2=80=8BThis sentence was probably not meant to include a repetition > =E2=80=8Bof the explanation that pressing the shift key is needed for ty= ping '<', > but rather that pressing the shift key is needed also while typing '>'. Thanks, but the original text seems correct to me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 14 14:16:04 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2013 18:16:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54163 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQq3-0003FL-8y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:16:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:60177 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQq1-0003Es-BW for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:16:01 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UyQq1-0006gR-0r for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:16:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 14:16:01 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 14856 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) tag 14856 notabug wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 01 02:39:14 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Feb 2014 07:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W9VAW-0003s0-WE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 02:39:13 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:58204) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W9VAU-0003rq-1l for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 02:39:10 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1W9VAG-0002DP-8Z for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Feb 2014 08:38:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:38:04 -0800 Message-Id: <871tznp9k3.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #14856 X-MailScanner-ID: 1W9VAG-0002DP-8Z X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1391845136.82559@Om3QslFP2z1R1ai9ceQYyw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 14856