From unknown Sat Aug 16 10:45:00 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1484 <1484@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1484 <1484@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Reply-To: bug#1484 <1484@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2025 17:45:00 +0000 retitle 1484 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? reassign 1484 emacs submitter 1484 "Drew Adams" severity 1484 normal thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed Dec 3 09:09:02 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 17:09:03 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3H901m017782 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:09:01 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:50233) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDE-0000Ap-Di for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDd-0004Eo-1r for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:58 -0500 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:28630) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDc-0004Ek-Hk for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:56 -0500 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H9iZf012294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:09:46 GMT Received: from acsmt705.oracle.com (acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H8v6d024720 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:08:58 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:48 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclVac8gDkCZMWMOTfa5/5wSO+3UXQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4936BD23.0049:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of Variable, Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in NEWS about it (searching for "apropos"). It's certainly more opaque (less clear) than using plain English words. And there is no explanation (e.g. legend) of this new convention in the Apropos output buffer. How will a user know what

means? In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Dec 3 13:57:23 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 21:57:23 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3LvKjm026511 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:57:21 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0EAHuPNknO+Jkl/2dsb2JhbACBbdBggwGBIw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,710,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="30614439" Received: from 206-248-153-37.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.153.37]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1DF5F8BAF; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Message-ID: References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:49 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of Variable, > Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in NEWS about it > (searching for "apropos"). Indeed, this is odd: the short form is now used in the default layout, whereas the long form is now used in the compact layout. It should be the other way around. The pach below should fix it. Thanks. Stefan === modified file 'lisp/apropos.el' --- lisp/apropos.el 2008-08-31 00:41:24 +0000 +++ lisp/apropos.el 2008-12-03 21:52:25 +0000 @@ -1096,8 +1096,8 @@ 'face 'default 'apropos-symbol (car apropos-item)) (insert-text-button (if apropos-compact-layout - (button-type-get type 'apropos-label) - (format "<%s>" (button-type-get type 'apropos-short-label))) + (format "<%s>" (button-type-get type 'apropos-short-label)) + (button-type-get type 'apropos-label)) 'type type ;; Can't use the default button face, since user may have changed the ;; variable! Just say `no' to variables containing faces! From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed Dec 3 14:01:53 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 22:01:53 +0000 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com (acsinet11.oracle.com [141.146.126.233]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3M1oM8027779 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:01:51 -0800 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3M2ZMZ001815 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:02:36 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3M1lpj020985; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:01:48 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:01:39 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: <1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:01:41 -0800 Message-ID: <009401c95592$b973f3e0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclVkkp82crugjUUS1CXF2IP8/JDfAAADC+w X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.493701C5.00E8:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 > > M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of > > Variable, Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in > > NEWS about it (searching for "apropos"). > > Indeed, this is odd: the short form is now used in the default layout, > whereas the long form is now used in the compact layout. It should be > the other way around. > The pach below should fix it. Thanks. Glad the report helped. But what are the long and short forms? Is that documented somewhere (didn't see anything in NEWS)? Should the (short form) Apropos buffer explain that abbreviated notation? From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Thu Dec 4 05:28:12 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Dec 2008 13:28:12 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB4DS8qn006268 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 05:28:10 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtcEAHNpN0nO+Jkl/2dsb2JhbACBbc44gwKBIw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,715,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="30638757" Received: from 206-248-153-37.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.153.37]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 04 Dec 2008 08:28:03 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B7C0F84A9; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:28:02 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: "Drew Adams" Cc: <1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Message-ID: References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <009401c95592$b973f3e0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:28:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <009401c95592$b973f3e0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 14:01:41 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Glad the report helped. But what are the long and short forms? Is that > documented somewhere (didn't see anything in NEWS)? Should the (short form) > Apropos buffer explain that abbreviated notation? C-h v apropos-compact-layout Stefan From drew.adams@oracle.com Thu Dec 4 08:24:08 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Dec 2008 16:24:08 +0000 Received: from rgminet12.oracle.com (rcsinet12.oracle.com [148.87.113.124]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB4GO6Dr019362 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:24:07 -0800 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB4GNkRa009926 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:23:48 GMT Received: from acsmt703.oracle.com (acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB4GO3J7006718; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:24:04 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 04 Dec 2008 08:23:54 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" Cc: <1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org> References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com><009401c95592$b973f3e0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Subject: RE: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: <00f901c9562c$b5de8a20$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: AclWFCeS+tFJafTTS/Cj9RVaN40AyQAGFuJw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt703.oracle.com [141.146.40.81] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4938041D.007F:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 > > Glad the report helped. But what are the long and short > > forms? Is that documented somewhere (didn't see anything > > in NEWS)? Should the (short form) Apropos buffer explain > > that abbreviated notation? > > C-h v apropos-compact-layout A user is unlikely to know about this. How about mentioning this change in NEWS or even documenting it in the Emacs manual? Also, the variable should be autoloaded. In emacs -Q, C-h v doesn't recognize it until you load apropos.el. From monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA Thu Dec 4 11:47:41 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Dec 2008 19:47:41 +0000 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (pruche.dit.umontreal.ca [132.204.246.22]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB4Jla2l006970 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 11:47:38 -0800 Received: from alfajor.home (vpn-132-204-232-31.acd.umontreal.ca [132.204.232.31]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id mB4JmBq0024670; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:48:11 -0500 Received: by alfajor.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 8C6071C2B6; Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:47:34 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: "Drew Adams" Cc: <1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Message-ID: References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <009401c95592$b973f3e0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> <00f901c9562c$b5de8a20$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 14:47:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: <00f901c9562c$b5de8a20$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 4 Dec 2008 08:23:58 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3162=0 > Also, the variable should be autoloaded. In emacs -Q, C-h v doesn't > recognize it until you load apropos.el. Welcome to Emacs. 99% of Emacs's variables behave like that. It's not a bug. Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 16 10:45:00 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: $requester Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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