From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:43:42 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 1484@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1484 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122832414317798 (code B ref -1); Wed, 03 Dec 2008 17:15:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 17:09:03 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3H901m017782 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:09:01 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:50233) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDE-0000Ap-Di for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDd-0004Eo-1r for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:58 -0500 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:28630) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDc-0004Ek-Hk for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:56 -0500 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H9iZf012294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:09:46 GMT Received: from acsmt705.oracle.com (acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H8v6d024720 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:08:58 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:48 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclVac8gDkCZMWMOTfa5/5wSO+3UXQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4936BD23.0049:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of Variable, Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in NEWS about it (searching for "apropos"). It's certainly more opaque (less clear) than using plain English words. And there is no explanation (e.g. legend) of this new convention in the Apropos output buffer. How will a user know what

means? In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:43:42 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#1484 closed by Stefan Monnier (Re: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.?) Message-ID: References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 1484 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 1484@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1228341906-28163-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1228341906-28163-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? It has been closed by Stefan Monnier . Their explanation is attached below along with your original report. If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Stefan Monnier by replying to this email. --=20 1484: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1484 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1228341906-28163-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Wed Dec 3 13:57:23 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1484-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 21:57:23 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3LvKjm026511 for <1484-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:57:21 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ar0EAHuPNknO+Jkl/2dsb2JhbACBbdBggwGBIw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,710,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="30614439" Received: from 206-248-153-37.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.153.37]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 03 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 1DF5F8BAF; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Drew Adams Cc: 1484-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1484: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Message-ID: References: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:57:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:49 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of Variable, > Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in NEWS about it > (searching for "apropos"). Indeed, this is odd: the short form is now used in the default layout, whereas the long form is now used in the compact layout. It should be the other way around. The pach below should fix it. Thanks. Stefan === modified file 'lisp/apropos.el' --- lisp/apropos.el 2008-08-31 00:41:24 +0000 +++ lisp/apropos.el 2008-12-03 21:52:25 +0000 @@ -1096,8 +1096,8 @@ 'face 'default 'apropos-symbol (car apropos-item)) (insert-text-button (if apropos-compact-layout - (button-type-get type 'apropos-label) - (format "<%s>" (button-type-get type 'apropos-short-label))) + (format "<%s>" (button-type-get type 'apropos-short-label)) + (button-type-get type 'apropos-label)) 'type type ;; Can't use the default button face, since user may have changed the ;; variable! Just say `no' to variables containing faces! ------------=_1228341906-28163-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From drew.adams@oracle.com Wed Dec 3 09:09:02 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 17:09:03 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB3H901m017782 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:09:01 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:50233) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDE-0000Ap-Di for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:32 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDd-0004Eo-1r for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:58 -0500 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]:28630) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7vDc-0004Ek-Hk for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:08:56 -0500 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H9iZf012294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:09:46 GMT Received: from acsmt705.oracle.com (acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB3H8v6d024720 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 17:08:58 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:08:48 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; Apropos output: etc.? Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 09:08:49 -0800 Message-ID: <001201c95569$cf6d3ea0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclVac8gDkCZMWMOTfa5/5wSO+3UXQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt705.oracle.com [141.146.40.83] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4936BD23.0049:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) M-x apropos now uses tags such as , ,

, instead of Variable, Function, Plist. Is this a bug? I don't see anything in NEWS about it (searching for "apropos"). It's certainly more opaque (less clear) than using plain English words. And there is no explanation (e.g. legend) of this new convention in the Apropos output buffer. How will a user know what

means? In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' ------------=_1228341906-28163-1--