From unknown Thu Aug 21 12:11:45 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#14818 <14818@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#14818 <14818@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Reply-To: bug#14818 <14818@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2025 19:11:45 +0000 retitle 14818 Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember reassign 14818 emacs submitter 14818 Jambunathan K severity 14818 wishlist tag 14818 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 08:39:05 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 12:39:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAid-0007ug-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:39:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52111) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiQ-0007tz-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiJ-0002hK-Mk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiJ-0002hE-JT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiH-00020Q-P0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiF-0002gH-So for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:41 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c]:38079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiF-0002g1-Fu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id lj1so4323565pab.3 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=qvlJRrBmzhum8Wh1qnSKghpeuyUA4VBEytivbZPl37g=; b=WQC9TOKOadk5tz7jpoZj4ra3QORxjcLPuWJSLS1TlwGp8sFLuPhfTT0HCvqNpN54Oj ZW01YD001N79Or872GThZbjh50hAiYHCiGGS2uJjbMde5gushMqNObfgVVUjZoLPRoIx zwdvmoSQmTf9AkX3U1QJNJrHmU1z9ycoCc4MaihCfptrq5o8evHkxsGPNxTQ9VrTK4BY +3odCBMnR9zyp4et39YIGnnLrB78svRVEdYj4Zkqr/Pha/iRKg/6eikVjo6JSfDGR7Na XnOwMvv4keC9A2AtPe0cLBWBArg9Rj3/Y5mE8Q8hWkRYnqOg4aEPyoZEwSOFEP5Up2rv 5mpQ== X-Received: by 10.68.1.9 with SMTP id 9mr19970629pbi.128.1373287118623; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ry2sm22244319pbc.41.2013.07.08.05.38.35 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530 In-Reply-To: (James Cloos's message of "Sun, 07 Jul 2013 15:20:41 -0400") Message-ID: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: James Cloos X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) James Cloos writes: > (Even after more than a quarter-century of Emacs C-x [ and C-x ] are not > integrated in to my muscle memory.) I have the same issue. I have been using Emacs for a decade or so. I find page motion to be really useful. If I consider C-functions as a paragraph, then remembering M-{ backward-paragraph M-} forward-paragraph for paragraph motions is no big deal. May I suggest, M-[ backward-page M-] forward-page instead of the current C-x [ backward-page C-x ] forward-page From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 08:55:58 2013 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 12:55:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38909 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAyz-0000BT-Lu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:55:58 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:57886 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAyx-0000BK-0l for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:55:55 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F3EA398F; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Yow: I like the way ONLY their mouths move.. They look like DYING OYSTERS Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818 Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Jambunathan K writes: > M-[ backward-page M-[ is already taken. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 09:00:59 2013 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:00:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB3r-0000LD-0o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:00:59 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:33712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB3n-0000Ku-3O for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:00:55 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rp16so4323153pbb.28 for <14818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ezJCf2jhNJggcmoLtuWjvw3/BMdf7xu57A8LPWrA3EA=; b=DT6KjY8fH6K5hR6flGywIhhIGxl+6MOUiCHIK4fl9j44XuNFyiIDAEiKJAPWlEAzo6 cOEJ5K7Z9i5DCE4MA8LQhzHwY9affpxx7V3IxpZFiU+nXuSKMHS0pPLPZIqRMDOhCX/q EFoRdu1sQfpM6KvJCLzS7IOSt0FdUSsgxN8gEwvc+jSpw61E9ZK+JAPvsnv6aGqfbg71 D7vePN80CrYnjubSv7DqJswX/IE7EX16jue/tMVxH1hNKr8vqNJ4W5jSD5aFc+aFIDiP Bo9Af08Nhpu4Jtq3t2mJZ0/yb8VUKNFhAuFY4gd2KPtAsEuuZnE6TjfKyv4uUIG/at3Y 2FOg== X-Received: by 10.66.150.40 with SMTP id uf8mr22518286pab.66.1373288449130; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wi6sm22417167pbc.22.2013.07.08.06.00.46 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:32:23 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200") Message-ID: <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818 Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> M-[ backward-page > > M-[ is already taken. by who? > Andreas. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 09:05:38 2013 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:05:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB8L-0000W2-6j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:05:37 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:58247 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB8I-0000Vp-FL for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:05:35 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCE4A398F; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: I have nostalgia for the late Sixties! In 1969 I left my laundry with a hippie!! During an unauthorized Tupperware party it was chopped & diced! Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:32:23 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818 Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Jambunathan K writes: > Andreas Schwab writes: > >> Jambunathan K writes: >> >>> M-[ backward-page >> >> M-[ is already taken. > > by who? Function keys. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 08 09:37:02 2013 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:37:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwBcj-0001mP-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:37:02 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170]:39173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwBcg-0001ln-JP for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:36:59 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x11so4117235pdj.15 for <14818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cjwMrUrk5CmvZ2aZxt2cQy0xf5zM2NqVGzLPYnqrRjo=; b=DXqOSpCZr9ZbWVVqNmTweXBlCFoZcjMazWxKWmHVNAqiIUVS5pAQIV8eZRSLaV8w+T lcOajPiflPSR3GBOQ/sY+hxeZo0emQABY5qm1yYEgiS5S4NSwBHVJAXttVRc/CnqBpmW Oy9MaO/K6LBzG3xmErlSfR58t2k2+f1Mb6L61X5qAtngI00qtKDYavxdOvjF2q4tCtUs UE4HU4I700UUkDYAAFTmKuwt2uN1rIr3m+WwjqphUbubrIYBwwb0HfeCXLZj4nJzotY0 DNcIL/hx6pXnmP+m7CJfwglKniURZc2gsudsFliYyhg+/TcL/XMkY8PMFmbIDSq6Nd6o uIvA== X-Received: by 10.68.173.97 with SMTP id bj1mr21533159pbc.176.1373290612454; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jb2sm22589346pbc.8.2013.07.08.06.36.49 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:08:25 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87wqp1f9ym.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818 Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> Andreas Schwab writes: >> >>> Jambunathan K writes: >>> >>>> M-[ backward-page >>> >>> M-[ is already taken. >> >> by who? > > Function keys. In Gtk Emacs, M-[ C-h reports nothing. With emacs -nw, ,---- | ^L | Global Bindings Starting With M-[: | key binding | --- ------- | | ^L | Input decoding map translations Starting With M-[: | key binding | --- ------- | | M-[ 1 Prefix Command `---- So this M, ESC business is something that I would never understand. I am at my wits end for other "workable" solutions. Having an exception for `M- [' just for GUI Emacs would be unacceptable, I suppose. > > Andreas. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 17:32:09 2013 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 21:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW5-0002BB-EZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:48449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW3-0002B2-7u for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:08 -0400 Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id D4EA81F8BC; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:32:05 -0359 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore13; t=1373405526; bh=TXAAuJeH+ib71eEtuKM5PTRCH2E6zR7PnSXiF7M+kQI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=lC4KfVamWKdCl3JFbF+46h9pBbmyJXMKq8KZjxYAcN9l2cDuFAdOeo3wZk7g5wqQh ezTss12426rc3AEFvDEuZmhtCKcAvCG5ZisVd0LuGba7OOPknoEMWWi9qJY18dJ1k0 SRGoF8gw2zzsURgAvMQIOp9RD4BvJ0/Xo2bSQaQSBHw== Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E145F72EFE; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC) From: James Cloos To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200") References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2013 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:25:34 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:kjambunathan@gmail.com::xdTpVMtQDaX7Dy8V:00000000000000000000000000000000000000HSCBN X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:14818@debbugs.gnu.org::Zxfv0f4ByxS4ffIl:000000000000000000000000000000000000000R5GtI X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:schwab@suse.de::NLCHVepOGxZjMD98:00w9DU1 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 14818@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) Since this stems from my comment on the list.... I didn't mean to imply that I do not remember where backward-page and forward-page *are*, just that my fingers automatically start hitting C-v to scroll down in buffers like *Help* before I have a chance to consider paging down. A different binding wouldn't fix that. And as Andreas notes, ESC [ is the start of many vt100/xterm-style commands, including the octets sent by function keys. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 17:36:53 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 21:36:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43464 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfae-0002KG-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35142 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfab-0002K7-EP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:50 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfaa-0004Vy-T0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:48 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 14818 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) tag 14818 wontfix From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 14 23:54:21 2013 Received: (at 14818-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 04:54:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBQC-0001jF-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:54:20 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]:49893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBQA-0001is-1e for 14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:54:18 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so3046946pbc.4 for <14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=J031GXewnaACqsprHRq7ZhAivpOG36ggI7TgI07VQ78=; b=gaXAoUfNWFSpLcZDZDzALzVwExDMWODzujccqkZN8O30Q1C8n0IX5T48UI1PNQbmZT yLS68G81wmhnf/6/u4x2/ygEQib47aSJXH4bGF9hz1LhKkEKmTj873Z33a8FpU5D1H71 u9YSp2zNfUHxaPOLoFM2PQnejOZBziLgsZIcBesWi+khq9kVrgYI5bpImqsWP0q1Hdhd SKd7gaunlSp03e49fESx/wQ3nN5RRzzEQVP6t9vyOKga5hGwMnTnlLjbf8Cbhld+KicT AdjR32yr7DoNXH5cHYaSYmUQZneZIlQcdpPPdIC7MqJjuxUwDjz22gTr9/0JE56Fg0cd P4pg== X-Received: by 10.68.248.33 with SMTP id yj1mr4900250pbc.45.1384491252311; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.27.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rv9sm1517004pbc.4.2013.11.14.20.54.10 for <14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:23:47 +0530 In-Reply-To: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530") Message-ID: <87fvqymfj8.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) OP here. 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