From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: James Cloos X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.137328714530433 (code B ref -1); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:40:03 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 12:39:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAid-0007ug-6t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:39:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52111) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiQ-0007tz-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:51 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiJ-0002hK-Mk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, T_DKIM_INVALID,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38764) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiJ-0002hE-JT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53804) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiH-00020Q-P0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiF-0002gH-So for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:41 -0400 Received: from mail-pa0-x22c.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22c]:38079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAiF-0002g1-Fu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:38:39 -0400 Received: by mail-pa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id lj1so4323565pab.3 for ; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=qvlJRrBmzhum8Wh1qnSKghpeuyUA4VBEytivbZPl37g=; b=WQC9TOKOadk5tz7jpoZj4ra3QORxjcLPuWJSLS1TlwGp8sFLuPhfTT0HCvqNpN54Oj ZW01YD001N79Or872GThZbjh50hAiYHCiGGS2uJjbMde5gushMqNObfgVVUjZoLPRoIx zwdvmoSQmTf9AkX3U1QJNJrHmU1z9ycoCc4MaihCfptrq5o8evHkxsGPNxTQ9VrTK4BY +3odCBMnR9zyp4et39YIGnnLrB78svRVEdYj4Zkqr/Pha/iRKg/6eikVjo6JSfDGR7Na XnOwMvv4keC9A2AtPe0cLBWBArg9Rj3/Y5mE8Q8hWkRYnqOg4aEPyoZEwSOFEP5Up2rv 5mpQ== X-Received: by 10.68.1.9 with SMTP id 9mr19970629pbi.128.1373287118623; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ry2sm22244319pbc.41.2013.07.08.05.38.35 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 05:38:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530 In-Reply-To: (James Cloos's message of "Sun, 07 Jul 2013 15:20:41 -0400") Message-ID: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) James Cloos writes: > (Even after more than a quarter-century of Emacs C-x [ and C-x ] are not > integrated in to my muscle memory.) I have the same issue. I have been using Emacs for a decade or so. I find page motion to be really useful. If I consider C-functions as a paragraph, then remembering M-{ backward-paragraph M-} forward-paragraph for paragraph motions is no big deal. May I suggest, M-[ backward-page M-] forward-page instead of the current C-x [ backward-page C-x ] forward-page From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.1373288158719 (code B ref 14818); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 12:56:02 +0000 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 12:55:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38909 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAyz-0000BT-Lu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:55:58 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:57886 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwAyx-0000BK-0l for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 08:55:55 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4F3EA398F; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Yow: I like the way ONLY their mouths move.. They look like DYING OYSTERS Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Jambunathan K writes: > M-[ backward-page M-[ is already taken. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.13732884591320 (code B ref 14818); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:00:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38913 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB3r-0000LD-0o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:00:59 -0400 Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:33712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB3n-0000Ku-3O for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:00:55 -0400 Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id rp16so4323153pbb.28 for <14818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=ezJCf2jhNJggcmoLtuWjvw3/BMdf7xu57A8LPWrA3EA=; b=DT6KjY8fH6K5hR6flGywIhhIGxl+6MOUiCHIK4fl9j44XuNFyiIDAEiKJAPWlEAzo6 cOEJ5K7Z9i5DCE4MA8LQhzHwY9affpxx7V3IxpZFiU+nXuSKMHS0pPLPZIqRMDOhCX/q EFoRdu1sQfpM6KvJCLzS7IOSt0FdUSsgxN8gEwvc+jSpw61E9ZK+JAPvsnv6aGqfbg71 D7vePN80CrYnjubSv7DqJswX/IE7EX16jue/tMVxH1hNKr8vqNJ4W5jSD5aFc+aFIDiP Bo9Af08Nhpu4Jtq3t2mJZ0/yb8VUKNFhAuFY4gd2KPtAsEuuZnE6TjfKyv4uUIG/at3Y 2FOg== X-Received: by 10.66.150.40 with SMTP id uf8mr22518286pab.66.1373288449130; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wi6sm22417167pbc.22.2013.07.08.06.00.46 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:00:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:32:23 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200") Message-ID: <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> M-[ backward-page > > M-[ is already taken. by who? > Andreas. From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.13732887381991 (code B ref 14818); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:05:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB8L-0000W2-6j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:05:37 -0400 Received: from cantor2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:58247 helo=mx2.suse.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwB8I-0000Vp-FL for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:05:35 -0400 Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCE4A398F; Mon, 8 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: I have nostalgia for the late Sixties! In 1969 I left my laundry with a hippie!! During an unauthorized Tupperware party it was chopped & diced! Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:32:23 +0530") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) Jambunathan K writes: > Andreas Schwab writes: > >> Jambunathan K writes: >> >>> M-[ backward-page >> >> M-[ is already taken. > > by who? Function keys. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: Jambunathan K Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.13732906226862 (code B ref 14818); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 13:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jul 2013 13:37:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39017 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwBcj-0001mP-VT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:37:02 -0400 Received: from mail-pd0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170]:39173) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwBcg-0001ln-JP for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:36:59 -0400 Received: by mail-pd0-f170.google.com with SMTP id x11so4117235pdj.15 for <14818@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cjwMrUrk5CmvZ2aZxt2cQy0xf5zM2NqVGzLPYnqrRjo=; b=DXqOSpCZr9ZbWVVqNmTweXBlCFoZcjMazWxKWmHVNAqiIUVS5pAQIV8eZRSLaV8w+T lcOajPiflPSR3GBOQ/sY+hxeZo0emQABY5qm1yYEgiS5S4NSwBHVJAXttVRc/CnqBpmW Oy9MaO/K6LBzG3xmErlSfR58t2k2+f1Mb6L61X5qAtngI00qtKDYavxdOvjF2q4tCtUs UE4HU4I700UUkDYAAFTmKuwt2uN1rIr3m+WwjqphUbubrIYBwwb0HfeCXLZj4nJzotY0 DNcIL/hx6pXnmP+m7CJfwglKniURZc2gsudsFliYyhg+/TcL/XMkY8PMFmbIDSq6Nd6o uIvA== X-Received: by 10.68.173.97 with SMTP id bj1mr21533159pbc.176.1373290612454; Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.141.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id jb2sm22589346pbc.8.2013.07.08.06.36.49 for (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 08 Jul 2013 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Jambunathan K References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <877gh1gq74.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:08:25 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200") Message-ID: <87wqp1f9ym.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Andreas Schwab writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> Andreas Schwab writes: >> >>> Jambunathan K writes: >>> >>>> M-[ backward-page >>> >>> M-[ is already taken. >> >> by who? > > Function keys. In Gtk Emacs, M-[ C-h reports nothing. With emacs -nw, ,---- | ^L | Global Bindings Starting With M-[: | key binding | --- ------- | | ^L | Input decoding map translations Starting With M-[: | key binding | --- ------- | | M-[ 1 Prefix Command `---- So this M, ESC business is something that I would never understand. I am at my wits end for other "workable" solutions. Having an exception for `M- [' just for GUI Emacs would be unacceptable, I suppose. > > Andreas. From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember Resent-From: James Cloos Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14818 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jambunathan K Cc: Andreas Schwab , 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14818-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14818.13734055308385 (code B ref 14818); Tue, 09 Jul 2013 21:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 14818) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 21:32:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43460 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW5-0002BB-EZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:09 -0400 Received: from ore.jhcloos.com ([198.147.23.85]:48449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UwfW3-0002B2-7u for 14818@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:32:08 -0400 Received: by ore.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id D4EA81F8BC; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 17:32:05 -0359 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=ore13; t=1373405526; bh=TXAAuJeH+ib71eEtuKM5PTRCH2E6zR7PnSXiF7M+kQI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=lC4KfVamWKdCl3JFbF+46h9pBbmyJXMKq8KZjxYAcN9l2cDuFAdOeo3wZk7g5wqQh ezTss12426rc3AEFvDEuZmhtCKcAvCG5ZisVd0LuGba7OOPknoEMWWi9qJY18dJ1k0 SRGoF8gw2zzsURgAvMQIOp9RD4BvJ0/Xo2bSQaQSBHw== Received: by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id E145F72EFE; Tue, 9 Jul 2013 21:25:34 +0000 (UTC) From: James Cloos In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200") References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130008 (Ma Gnus v0.8) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQAgMAAABinRfyAAAACVBMVEX///8ZGXBQKKnCrDQ3 AAAAJElEQVQImWNgQAAXzwQg4SKASgAlXIEEiwsSIYBEcLaAtMEAADJnB+kKcKioAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC Copyright: Copyright 2013 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:25:34 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 15 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:kjambunathan@gmail.com::xdTpVMtQDaX7Dy8V:00000000000000000000000000000000000000HSCBN X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:14818@debbugs.gnu.org::Zxfv0f4ByxS4ffIl:000000000000000000000000000000000000000R5GtI X-Hashcash: 1:28:130709:schwab@suse.de::NLCHVepOGxZjMD98:00w9DU1 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) Since this stems from my comment on the list.... I didn't mean to imply that I do not remember where backward-page and forward-page *are*, just that my fingers automatically start hitting C-v to scroll down in buffers like *Help* before I have a chance to consider paging down. A different binding wouldn't fix that. And as Andreas notes, ESC [ is the start of many vt100/xterm-style commands, including the octets sent by function keys. -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 09 17:36:53 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jul 2013 21:36:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43464 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfae-0002KG-BU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:35142 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfab-0002K7-EP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:50 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uwfaa-0004Vy-T0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:36:48 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 14818 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.3 (-----) tag 14818 wontfix From unknown Thu Aug 21 14:52:50 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.503 (Entity 5.503) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Jambunathan K Subject: bug#14818: closed (Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember) Message-ID: References: <87fvqymfj8.fsf@gmail.com> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 14818 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: wontfix Reply-To: 14818@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 04:55:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1384491303-6723-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1384491303-6723-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 14818@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 14818: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D14818 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1384491303-6723-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 14818-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2013 04:54:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53462 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBQC-0001jF-Io for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:54:20 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]:49893) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VhBQA-0001is-1e for 14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 23:54:18 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so3046946pbc.4 for <14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=J031GXewnaACqsprHRq7ZhAivpOG36ggI7TgI07VQ78=; b=gaXAoUfNWFSpLcZDZDzALzVwExDMWODzujccqkZN8O30Q1C8n0IX5T48UI1PNQbmZT yLS68G81wmhnf/6/u4x2/ygEQib47aSJXH4bGF9hz1LhKkEKmTj873Z33a8FpU5D1H71 u9YSp2zNfUHxaPOLoFM2PQnejOZBziLgsZIcBesWi+khq9kVrgYI5bpImqsWP0q1Hdhd SKd7gaunlSp03e49fESx/wQ3nN5RRzzEQVP6t9vyOKga5hGwMnTnlLjbf8Cbhld+KicT AdjR32yr7DoNXH5cHYaSYmUQZneZIlQcdpPPdIC7MqJjuxUwDjz22gTr9/0JE56Fg0cd P4pg== X-Received: by 10.68.248.33 with SMTP id yj1mr4900250pbc.45.1384491252311; Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.27.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id rv9sm1517004pbc.4.2013.11.14.20.54.10 for <14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Nov 2013 20:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: 14818-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember References: <87d2qxjs7n.fsf@igel.home> <87y59jzp8l.fsf@building.gnus.org> <87k3l2c1jz.fsf@igel.home> <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:23:47 +0530 In-Reply-To: <871u798btj.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530") Message-ID: <87fvqymfj8.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14818-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) OP here. 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: James Cloos X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) James Cloos writes: > (Even after more than a quarter-century of Emacs C-x [ and C-x ] are not > integrated in to my muscle memory.) I have the same issue. I have been using Emacs for a decade or so. I find page motion to be really useful. If I consider C-functions as a paragraph, then remembering M-{ backward-paragraph M-} forward-paragraph for paragraph motions is no big deal. May I suggest, M-[ backward-page M-] forward-page instead of the current C-x [ backward-page C-x ] forward-page ------------=_1384491303-6723-1--