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Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Cc: James Cloos <cloos <at> jhcloos.com>
Subject: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:10:08 +0530

James Cloos <cloos <at> jhcloos.com> writes:

> (Even after more than a quarter-century of Emacs C-x [ and C-x ] are not
> integrated in to my muscle memory.)

I have the same issue.  I have been using Emacs for a decade or so.  

I find page motion to be really useful.

If I consider C-functions as a paragraph, then remembering 

    M-{         backward-paragraph
    M-}         forward-paragraph

for paragraph motions is no big deal.

May I suggest,

    M-[         backward-page
    M-]         forward-page

instead of the current

    C-x [       backward-page
    C-x ]       forward-page

Message #8 received at 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 14:55:53 +0200

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

>     M-[         backward-page

M-[ is already taken.

Andreas.

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Message #11 received at 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
Cc: 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 18:32:23 +0530

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de> writes:

> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>>     M-[         backward-page
>
> M-[ is already taken.

by who?

> Andreas.

Message #14 received at 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 15:05:33 +0200

Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de> writes:
>
>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>>     M-[         backward-page
>>
>> M-[ is already taken.
>
> by who?

Function keys.

Andreas.

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Message #17 received at 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
Cc: 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 19:08:25 +0530

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de> writes:

> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de> writes:
>>
>>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>>     M-[         backward-page
>>>
>>> M-[ is already taken.
>>
>> by who?
>
> Function keys.

In Gtk Emacs, 

     M-[ C-h

reports nothing.

With emacs -nw, 

    ,----
    | ^L
    | Global Bindings Starting With M-[:
    | key             binding
    | ---             -------
    | 
    | ^L
    | Input decoding map translations Starting With M-[:
    | key             binding
    | ---             -------
    | 
    | M-[ 1           Prefix Command
    `----

So this M, ESC business is something that I would never understand.  I
am at my wits end for other "workable" solutions.  Having an exception
for `M- [' just for GUI Emacs would be unacceptable, I suppose.

>
> Andreas.

Message #20 received at 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: James Cloos <cloos <at> jhcloos.com>
To: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>, 14818 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 17:25:34 -0400

Since this stems from my comment on the list....

I didn't mean to imply that I do not remember where backward-page and
forward-page *are*, just that my fingers automatically start hitting
C-v to scroll down in buffers like *Help* before I have a chance to
consider paging down.

A different binding wouldn't fix that.

And as Andreas notes, ESC [ is the start of many vt100/xterm-style
commands, including the octets sent by function keys.

-JimC
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Message #27 received at 14818-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan <at> gmail.com>
To: 14818-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14818: Keybindings for page motion not easy to remember
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 10:23:47 +0530

OP here.  Closed.

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