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The doc string of `custom-unlispify-menu-entries' says only this: "Display menu entries as words instead of symbols if non-nil." What menu entries? Which menu? It took me a while, searching and experimenting, to find that this is about the `Custom' menu's submenus. Please clarify what this is for in the doc string. 2. The doc string of `custom-unlispify-tag-names' says only this: "Display tag names as words instead of symbols if non-nil." What's a tag name? This won't make much sense to an Emacs user who isn't savvy to Emacs Lisp, `defcustom' :type, and :tag. Please explain this better. A simple illustrative example never hurts: show what happens if it's nil vs if it's non-nil. These doc strings are all the user has to go on, since these options are not described in any manual. 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Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:00:53 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:00:21 -0800") Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:57:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Baby Dee's _Regifted Light_: "The Pie Song" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:drew.adams@oracle.com::CpVdm5zg5/fjsFNy:000000000000000000000000000000000000000074zy X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:1478@debbugs.gnu.org::0VlhWjzzCKYKeIeH:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000Vmgu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qftcz-0008V9-94 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310907654.33784@tCHv0Jac3/LY/Nk/tWvJlg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > 1. The doc string of `custom-unlispify-menu-entries' says only this: > > "Display menu entries as words instead of symbols if non-nil." > > What menu entries? Which menu? > > It took me a while, searching and experimenting, to find that this is > about the `Custom' menu's submenus. Please clarify what this is for in > the doc string. I disagree. The grouping is `custom-menu', so what else could it be referring to? This would be like if all dired variables and commands had doc strings starting with "In Dired...". > 2. The doc string of `custom-unlispify-tag-names' says only this: > > "Display tag names as words instead of symbols if non-nil." > > What's a tag name? This won't make much sense to an Emacs user who isn't savvy > to Emacs Lisp, `defcustom' :type, and :tag. Please explain this > better. A simple illustrative example never hurts: show what happens if > it's nil vs if it's non-nil. This is for (very special) people who want to customize the Customize low-level thingamabobs. I think they probably know what a tag is, if they want to change it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:10:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1478: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-* Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: 1478@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com, 1478@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: <1478@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>, Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.131031809226777 (code B ref -1); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:15:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 17:14:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxam-0006xp-BG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:14:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxak-0006xe-NV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:14:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:41797) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxaf-0004Nv-G5 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:14:45 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxad-0000TX-J8 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:14:44 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]:51483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxad-0000TK-3C for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:14:43 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet22.oracle.com (rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6AHEXdD016897 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:14:36 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by rtcsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6AHEWGB000360 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:14:33 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6AHERRe000674; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:14:27 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.32.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:14:26 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:13:59 -0700 Message-ID: <6341B9EB0F2F47EDAE765CD8E01F748A@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: AclU2iKeiyjnKG/CSyKdX9qm2SGE+IXUkswQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet22.oracle.com [66.248.204.30] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4E19DDFC.0070:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-Received-From: 141.146.126.227 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) 1. I did not receive Lars's message explaining why he thinks this is not a bug. Something wrong with the bug tracker? I received a `close' message that said nothing more than it is closed. I had to go to the web site to see Lars's message. 2. I disagree with everything Lars wrote about this bug. a. This is about _doc strings_. It is not about the Customize UI. b. `custom-unlispify-menu-entries': Please mention in the doc string what menu is involved, and which menu entries. c. `custom-unlispify-tag-names': No, this is not only "for (very special) people who want to Customize low-level thingamabobs." Just because you might not be interested in understanding this function, do not assume that someone who wants to understand it intends to customize low-level Customize thingamabobs. I, as one user who wants to understand this, and who went to the trouble to file a detailed bug report about missing info, do not know what is meant by a "tag" in this context. I have no intention of changing a tag (esp. since I don't even know what is being referred to here by that name). But I want to understand this doc string. These doc strings are for users. So far, they are not comprehensible. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:10:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1478: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-* Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1478 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: <1478@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>, <1478@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 1478-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1478.131031855730643 (code B ref 1478); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 1478) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 17:22:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfxiG-0007yB-1w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfxiD-0007xv-RA; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:22:34 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6AHMQqY022007 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:22:28 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6AHMQiV015969 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:22:26 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6AHMKEI008207; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:22:20 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.32.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:22:20 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <6341B9EB0F2F47EDAE765CD8E01F748A@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:22:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <6341B9EB0F2F47EDAE765CD8E01F748A@us.oracle.com> Thread-Index: AclU2iKeiyjnKG/CSyKdX9qm2SGE+IXUkswQAACFAPA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4E19DFD4.0045:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) > 1. I did not receive Lars's message explaining why he thinks > this is not a bug. Something wrong with the bug tracker? > I received a `close' message that said nothing more than it > is closed. I had to go to the web site to see Lars's message. I take back that part. I got the message. Might have been a little problem because it was being sent to two different bug-tracker addresses - dunno. The rest of my reply stands, however. From unknown Sat Aug 16 16:10:48 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#1478: closed (Re: bug#1478: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-*) Message-ID: References: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 1478 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: notabug Reply-To: 1478@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:14:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1312301643-11759-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1312301643-11759-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #1478: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-* which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 1478@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 1478: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1478 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1312301643-11759-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 1478-close) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2011 16:13:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoHb5-00032k-Gq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:13:35 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoHb3-00032W-F8 for 1478-close@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:13:34 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QoHaU-0004O9-4n; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:12:58 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#1478: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-* In-Reply-To: <6341B9EB0F2F47EDAE765CD8E01F748A@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:13:59 -0700") Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 18:10:33 +0200 Message-ID: References: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> <6341B9EB0F2F47EDAE765CD8E01F748A@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Circlesquare's _Songs About Dancing And Drugs_: "Stop Taking (So Many)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QoHaU-0004O9-4n X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1312906378.32937@cBiPkYqjRoIiA17fgM5aqg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1478-close Cc: 1478-close@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > 2. I disagree with everything Lars wrote about this bug. I still agree with myself, so I'm closing this report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ ------------=_1312301643-11759-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Dec 2 16:00:27 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2008 00:00:27 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB300OsE011233 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:00:25 -0800 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:44514 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L7f9q-0000Lk-4F for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:59:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7fAF-0001h5-07 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:00:24 -0500 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:41049 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7fAE-0001gz-MN for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 19:00:22 -0500 Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB30076d022165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:00:09 GMT Received: from acsmt707.oracle.com (acsmt707.oracle.com [141.146.40.85]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB300beG001150 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2008 00:00:38 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.65.247) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 16:00:15 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; doc string of custom-unlispify-* Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:00:21 -0800 Message-ID: <002701c954da$22fdc570$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclU2iKeiyjnKG/CSyKdX9qm2SGE+A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt707.oracle.com [141.146.40.85] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A09020A.4935CC11.0130:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) 1. The doc string of `custom-unlispify-menu-entries' says only this: "Display menu entries as words instead of symbols if non-nil." What menu entries? Which menu? It took me a while, searching and experimenting, to find that this is about the `Custom' menu's submenus. Please clarify what this is for in the doc string. 2. The doc string of `custom-unlispify-tag-names' says only this: "Display tag names as words instead of symbols if non-nil." What's a tag name? This won't make much sense to an Emacs user who isn't savvy to Emacs Lisp, `defcustom' :type, and :tag. Please explain this better. A simple illustrative example never hurts: show what happens if it's nil vs if it's non-nil. These doc strings are all the user has to go on, since these options are not described in any manual. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' ------------=_1312301643-11759-1--