From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:40:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1477 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12282607324007 (code B ref -1); Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:40:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Dec 2008 23:32:12 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mB2NW9W8003996 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:32:10 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:43819) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L7eiV-0007fs-4O for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:31:43 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7eit-0007uN-K4 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:32:09 -0500 Received: from rcsinet11.oracle.com ([148.87.113.123]:55626 helo=rgminet11.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L7eit-0007u7-7I for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:32:07 -0500 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by rgminet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB2NWvR1019115 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:32:58 GMT Received: from acsmt702.oracle.com (acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mB2NW8sa030586 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2008 23:32:09 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.65.247) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:32:00 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:32:06 -0800 Message-ID: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclU1jA1DKJPIbeQTzKNchBiIh6U3A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt702.oracle.com [141.146.40.80] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A010204.4935C572.00B6:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) In Customize, I see this, just before the main set of buttons in the buffer: "Operate on all settings in this buffer that are not marked HIDDEN:" To me at least, that means nothing. Worse, it confuses me. What is it trying to say? What does it mean for a setting to be "marked HIDDEN"? I don't see any "marks", and I don't see "HIDDEN" anywhere (and why uppercase?). What is "marking" in this context? If I click `Hide Value' for some option or `Hide Face' for some face, then that button's text changes to `Show Value' or `Show Face' (not "HIDDEN"). If you are trying to say that those buttons (except `Exit') act on all options and faces in the buffer whose definitions are visible, then say that. And put a box around these global buttons and the explanation, or draw a line to separate them from the rest of the buffer, or make it clear in some other way what the scope of this explanation and these buttons is. (The fact that we need to explain this at all just indicates, however, how bad this UI is.) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-24 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1477.13103028679634 (code B ref 1477); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 1477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 13:01:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QftdC-0002VL-Ko for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:01:06 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QftdA-0002Un-Hk for 1477@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 09:01:05 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qftcy-0008V2-9w; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:00:52 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:32:06 -0800") Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:52:07 +0200 Message-ID: References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Baby Dee's _Regifted Light_: "On the Day I Died" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:drew.adams@oracle.com::N9MBDi2spj10ebLB:00000000000000000000000000000000000000002znW X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:1477@debbugs.gnu.org::lm8yCGMR80SQ28Rc:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000Rr+g MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qftcy-0008V2-9w X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310907652.40524@3VMbsyZDFwVxrnR9/Bojhw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > In Customize, I see this, just before the main set of buttons in the > buffer: > > "Operate on all settings in this buffer that are not marked HIDDEN:" > > To me at least, that means nothing. Worse, it confuses me. What is it > trying to say? Is this still an issue? If I say `M-x customize', I don't get any section with the word "HIDDEN" in it that I can see. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Cc: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1477.131031829930282 (code B ref 1477); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 1477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 17:18:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxe6-0007sM-Qr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:18:19 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qfxe4-0007sA-ET for 1477@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 13:18:17 -0400 Received: from rtcsinet21.oracle.com (rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6AHI8QG021988 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:18:10 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by rtcsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6AHI7dJ007437 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:18:07 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6AHI158013495; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:18:01 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.32.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:18:01 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:17:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw/AW8yD9tkV7u+RYmTblCRqYZDvQAI8YFg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: rtcsinet21.oracle.com [66.248.204.29] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090201.4E19DED2.005D:SCFSTAT5015188, ss=1, re=-4.000, fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > > In Customize, I see this, just before the main set of buttons in the > > buffer: "Operate on all settings in this buffer that are not > > marked HIDDEN:" > > Is this still an issue? If I say `M-x customize', I don't get any > section with the word "HIDDEN" in it that I can see. No, this has been fixed. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 10 17:35:37 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 21:35:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg1f7-0007DQ-Em for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:35:37 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg1f5-0007DB-QD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:35:36 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg1eu-0006to-2m for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:24 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:35:23 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #1477 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qg1eu-0006to-2m X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310938524.29076@EfbnCrUpFdbHHvyuBc90mg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 1477 notabug close 1477 From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Cc: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1477.131033467832366 (code B ref 1477); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 1477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 21:51:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg1uG-0008Pz-Sr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:51:17 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com ([141.146.126.227]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg1uE-0008Pl-Ia for 1477@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:51:15 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6ALp6PQ027756 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:51:08 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6ALp5LJ015456 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 21:51:06 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6ALp0AE021234; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 16:51:00 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.32.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:50:59 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:50:51 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw/AW8yD9tkV7u+RYmTblCRqYZDvQAI8YFgAAlIpBA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090202.4E1A1ECC.0085:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > > Is this still an issue? If I say `M-x customize', I don't get any > > section with the word "HIDDEN" in it that I can see. > > No, this has been fixed. Thx. I said no, it is not _still_ an issue. It has been _fixed_. It should have simply been closed, which records it as a _bug_ that has been _fixed_. It should not have been recorded as `notabug'. `Not a bug' means that the behavior is confirmed (reproducible) and that it is the intended behavior - not a bad behavior. `Not a bug' does not mean that the behavior was not reproducible or that the behavior was in fact incorrect but has been corrected. Yes, it's a nit. No, I don't really care, wrt this bug. But as we're closing lots of bugs left and right these days, let's please do it right, going forward. And yes, I'm glad people are now looking at old bug reports and taking care of them. Thank you. And yes, I know that there are a lot to look at and mistakes happen. Just a heads-up. From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1477.1310335144563 (code B ref 1477); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:00:03 +0000 Received: (at 1477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 21:59:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg21n-000092-2p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:59:03 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg21l-00008Y-Dp for 1477@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:59:02 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg21a-00079P-5n; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:58:50 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 10 Jul 2011 14:50:51 -0700") Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:58:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAADFBMVEW6sKJ3VzyUhG+Gclm2 JondAAACO0lEQVQokUWSv0sbYRjHv6S0RPvDqQ6dRGiRWGuXLgWXjp09gw3x0jWBZgrRpLn3SJYQ wUxCKSohYI1v8E4KifUkOcF/oC3Eo4YmwUW8VK+UnmcuXN6mtrSf5Xk+05eH5wsR/7iG+f/igp68 Gn+FFgpjHvogJ4qD4M8lSqkuKblcEjxjXSpnbDmTF8ETtqfQcaEoKRSszYpta4v0aFWByzAVueZE NfveB6CqtSt+M+rvUQU57Bwyk+caUqvQz8prpOxNkHbrIUR3qi44QmReH6OIZeUFzk8TAaoHwUdW XxqhRWd79DiE2V55ZNizlP/sLtzEXPMHVqQyPVpsDSFW7ai9s6DdoEoFAivVzBN2IRw3+qKumRHT O3NgxZsg6/c7JsdNT2q/xSyZnL+mNb0LKoTNqdNlJvP9uywEUqXnlUPH64tbGoJBIz1RS/ijX1QZ ibBwZ6C7W/9GbRW8PXZD3jztLIbsHeiPPamT3WebWdKTkYTrLCTk38tRu4J9TCRYVAlMmS4HIkrE 6LBXn9bdJ9gXWdHac1j86SOCg9GLLerb8XeXhqLg136i2zS+ljeKEZDDwsj4zOrAu+G6g7C07clM U2Tas6eYU7+v56XMIDX4I/iWjyWdZtukaRqIWS9sKhXVRpJdQmea42wY6kewMKgiyOd1QVlBkcKN HtWFqvjm6vvjb5nqXLqvdg9lJtHP/7RGTE+aWtwI3Lo+ScAkmtKIY6Uhe8Fi6bs8z0V8mS4Hjmvd 5l4/qXF9fgFh5EUXfJ5UMgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Stephen O'Malley & Atsuo's _Uroborus Cricuit_: "(untitled)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:1477@debbugs.gnu.org::NV32/RzVMaMrE6FN:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005ZFc X-Hashcash: 1:23:110710:drew.adams@oracle.com::RDvUZyN2Jq6v21iG:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000pN9r MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qg21a-00079P-5n X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310939930.24939@HLay3mMIa66qi4YKp8Z4sg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > It should have simply been closed, which records it as a _bug_ that > has been _fixed_. It should not have been recorded as `notabug'. I thought "fixed" was if it was fixed as a result of the bug report, and "notabug" was if it turned out (when investigated) that the report reported something that wasn't a bug (ever or still). Perhaps we need a third flag, like "probablyabugatthetimeitwasreportedbutnotabugwhensomeonelookedatthebugreport"? Or perhaps just close it without a flag. Opinions? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: Deniz Dogan Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13103365612619 (code B ref -1); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:23:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 22:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2Oe-0000gC-Gl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2Ob-0000fz-Oo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:38 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2OV-0005Wl-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:32 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]:47842) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2OU-0005Wh-QO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:56949) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2OT-0005vZ-G0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:30 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2OR-0005W3-IA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:28 -0400 Received: from ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net ([80.76.153.5]:44831) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2OR-0005Vv-8w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:22:27 -0400 Received: from c80-216-105-155.bredband.comhem.se ([80.216.105.155]:55249 helo=[192.168.0.10]) by ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2O4-00010B-EG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:22:06 +0200 Message-ID: <4E1A25FD.7080600@dogan.se> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 00:21:49 +0200 From: Deniz Dogan User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 80.216.105.155 X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1Qg2O4-00010B-EG. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp04.sth.basefarm.net 1Qg2O4-00010B-EG 811ed00823bc5493e8aa2661c4704494 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.9 (-----) On 2011-07-10 23:58, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "Drew Adams" writes: > >> It should have simply been closed, which records it as a _bug_ that >> has been _fixed_. It should not have been recorded as `notabug'. > > I thought "fixed" was if it was fixed as a result of the bug report, and > "notabug" was if it turned out (when investigated) that the report > reported something that wasn't a bug (ever or still). > > Perhaps we need a third flag, like > "probablyabugatthetimeitwasreportedbutnotabugwhensomeonelookedatthebugreport"? > > Or perhaps just close it without a flag. Opinions? > If it was once a bug but was fixed before someone looked at the bug report, "fixed" seems appropriate to me. Deniz From unknown Fri Aug 15 21:19:58 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#1477: 23.0.60; Customize "not marked HIDDEN" is unclear Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 1477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: "'Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen'" Cc: 1477@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 1477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B1477.13103367572895 (code B ref 1477); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 1477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 22:25:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2Ro-0000ke-VZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:25:57 -0400 Received: from rcsinet15.oracle.com ([148.87.113.117]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qg2Rn-0000kR-Hf for 1477@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:25:56 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by rcsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id p6AMPlAB019535 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:25:49 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6AMPkou000596 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:25:47 GMT Received: from abhmt118.oracle.com (abhmt118.oracle.com [141.146.116.70]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id p6AMPfGW002657; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 17:25:41 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.32.168) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:25:40 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" References: <001701c954d6$30970d30$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2011 15:25:32 -0700 Message-ID: <54C36CE4A54340728295DD511061E6B3@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Acw/TJXJbeWOUyIHQKSmR3KVHQFvigAAokvQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4E1A26ED.007D:SCFMA922111,ss=1,re=-4.000,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) > > It should have simply been closed, which records it as a _bug_ that > > has been _fixed_. It should not have been recorded as `notabug'. > > I thought "fixed" was if it was fixed as a result of the bug > report, and "notabug" was if it turned out (when investigated) > that the report reported something that wasn't a bug (ever or still). That would be "not reproducible", I think. To me, "not reproducible" refers to the time when you try to reproduce it. In other software you would also be trying to reproduce it using the same version as the report, but that's another story. To me, "not a bug" means that you _can_ reproduce the behavior as reported, and it is the intended intended behavior. I'm no expert on this. And it's not a big deal - certainly not important for this bug report. It might be good to know what the designers of this bug system had in mind, however. > Perhaps we need a third flag, like > "probablyabugatthetimeitwasreportedbutnotabugwhensomeonelooked > atthebugreport"? We can't really guess what might have been at the time. We can only compare what we test now with what was reported. But in a case like this one, we could perhaps believe the OP who tested both earlier and later, if he says it was fixed. ;-) > Or perhaps just close it without a flag. Opinions? Is there a "not reproducible" category? If so, I'd think that would be the closest in a case like this. Just one, non-expert opinion.