From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:43:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14754: 24.3.50; `C-h v' needs to fill wide `pp' lines (493 chars wide?!) 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X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) The lines in the *Help* buffer should respect `fill-column' as much as possible, other things being equal. emacs -Q C-h v imagemagick-enabled-types You see the value printed on a single line that is 493 chars wide! That's ridiculous, and it does not play well with code that fits the *Help* frame or window to its buffer text etc. The problem is this part of `describe-variable': (let ((from (point)) (line-beg (line-beginning-position)) (print-rep (let ((print-quoted t)) (prin1-to-string val)))) (if (< (+ (length print-rep) (point) (- line-beg)) 68) (insert print-rep) (terpri) (pp val) (if (< (point) (+ 68 (line-beginning-position 0))) (delete-region from (1+ from)) (delete-region (1- from) from))) (let* ((sv (get variable 'standard-value)) (origval (and (consp sv) (condition-case nil (eval (car sv)) (error :help-eval-error))))) (when (and (consp sv) (not (equal origval val)) (not (equal origval :help-eval-error))) (princ "\nOriginal value was \n") (setq from (point)) (pp origval) (if (< (point) (+ from 20)) (delete-region (1- from) from))))) Better would be something like the following. It fills the pretty-printed value, and it adds a newline before it if the value to be printed is not a number, a symbol, a character, or a string with no newlines. That's a simple heuristic, but it's not too bad. (let ((from (point)) (line-beg (line-beginning-position)) (print-rep (let ((print-quoted t)) (prin1-to-string val)))) (if (< (+ (length print-rep) (point) (- line-beg)) 68) (insert print-rep) (terpri) (unless (or (numberp val) (symbolp val) (characterp val) (and (stringp val) (string-match-p "[n]" val))) (terpri)) (let ((beg (point))) (pp val) (fill-region beg (point))) (if (< (point) (+ 68 (line-beginning-position 0))) (delete-region from (1+ from)) (delete-region (1- from) from))) (let* ((sv (get variable 'standard-value)) (origval (and (consp sv) (condition-case nil (eval (car sv)) (error :help-eval-error))))) (when (and (consp sv) (not (equal origval val)) (not (equal origval :help-eval-error))) (princ "\nOriginal value was \n") (setq from (point)) (unless (or (numberp origval) (symbolp origval) (characterp origval) (and (stringp origval) (string-match-p "[n]" origval))) (terpri)) (let ((beg (point))) (pp origval) (fill-region beg (point))) (if (< (point) (+ from 20)) (delete-region (1- from) from))))) In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-06-27 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113205 dgutov@yandex.ru-20130627095155-f1lv1c7xf99g1sss Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3 LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:43:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14754: 24.3.50; `C-h v' needs to fill wide `pp' lines (493 chars wide?!) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2013 17:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14754 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 14754@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14754-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14754.13726984548659 (code B ref 14754); Mon, 01 Jul 2013 17:08:02 +0000 Received: (at 14754) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2013 17:07:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50683 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UthZd-0002Fb-Rx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:07:34 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:27069) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UthZb-0002FA-OI for 14754@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r61H15W8006619 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <14754@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:01:06 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r61H7Oli029504 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <14754@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:07:24 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r61H7N06023610 for <14754@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 1 Jul 2013 17:07:23 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <995fa6da-700a-4b65-9b4e-3faacca5d8f4@default> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2013 10:07:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <22ab55c9-7ec8-4622-8bcd-f67e5a228377@default> In-Reply-To: <22ab55c9-7ec8-4622-8bcd-f67e5a228377@default> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Sorry, but the patch I sent is no good. Filling something that was pretty-printed destroys pretty-printing (duh). The problem remains. It is that `pp' prints a flat list using a very large width, which is inappropriate for buffer *Help* etc. One solution might be to have a variable controlling the max width (when possible) for pretty-printing, much as we have vars to control the print-length etc. > The lines in the *Help* buffer should respect `fill-column' as much as > possible, other things being equal. > emacs -Q > C-h v imagemagick-enabled-types >=20 > You see the value printed on a single line that is 493 chars wide! > That's ridiculous, and it does not play well with code that fits the > *Help* frame or window to its buffer text etc. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:43:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14754: 24.3.50; `C-h v' needs to fill wide `pp' lines (493 chars wide?!) Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2014 06:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14754 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 14754@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14754-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14754.13918416191297 (code B ref 14754); Sat, 08 Feb 2014 06:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 14754) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Feb 2014 06:40:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56228 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WC1aM-0000Kq-4X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 01:40:18 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:54565) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WC1aJ-0000Kf-Cv for 14754@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 01:40:16 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WC1a4-0006ht-AZ; Sat, 08 Feb 2014 07:40:00 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <22ab55c9-7ec8-4622-8bcd-f67e5a228377@default> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2014 22:38:52 -0800 In-Reply-To: <22ab55c9-7ec8-4622-8bcd-f67e5a228377@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 30 Jun 2013 00:10:19 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <8738juyupv.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WC1a4-0006ht-AZ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392446402.05546@wtWdGha0CC83YXjEixT8Yw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Drew Adams writes: > The lines in the *Help* buffer should respect `fill-column' as much as > possible, other things being equal. > > emacs -Q > > C-h v imagemagick-enabled-types > > You see the value printed on a single line that is 493 chars wide! > That's ridiculous, and it does not play well with code that fits the > *Help* frame or window to its buffer text etc. > > The problem is this part of `describe-variable': > > (let ((from (point)) > (line-beg (line-beginning-position)) > (print-rep > (let ((print-quoted t)) > (prin1-to-string val)))) > (if (< (+ (length print-rep) (point) (- line-beg)) 68) > (insert print-rep) > (terpri) > (pp val) etc Is there any reason why it doesn't just pretty-print the values always? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:43:30 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14754: 24.3.50; `C-h v' needs to fill wide `pp' lines (493 chars wide?!) Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14754 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 14754@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14754-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14754.1392004618306 (code B ref 14754); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 14754) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 03:56:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33291 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChzN-00004r-Ux for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:56:58 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:38903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChzL-0008WN-E8 for 14754@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:56:55 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A3urtA029228 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:56:54 GMT Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A3uqYo013057 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:56:53 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A3uqkV019824; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:56:52 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4be36dd8-7c8c-4e9a-a7b6-b036f624de8a@default> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 19:56:49 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams References: <22ab55c9-7ec8-4622-8bcd-f67e5a228377@default> <8738juyupv.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <8738juyupv.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) > Is there any reason why it doesn't just pretty-print the values > always? It's not so simple. See my followup message, after the original report. The bug is really about filling long lines. Pretty-printing does not help with that. E.g., do this: Load file bytecomp.el, then C-h v byte-compile-cl-functions. The value is a flat list of 456 symbols. Pretty-printing inserts no newline chars when printing it. And as my followup message points out, filling something that has been pretty-printed destroys pretty-printing. Perhaps what might be useful (dunno) is a new pretty-printer variable, to go along with `(eval-expression-)print-length' and `print-circle', and which would insert a newline between atoms when the line length is sufficiently long. Dunno. I don't have a solution for this enhancement request. Maybe someone else does. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This was closed as fixed in 29.1. I don't have that release, so I can't check this. I hope this problem is fixed. I was wrong about the solution being to just fill. That would be catastrophic for some variable values, such as for `directory-listing-before-filename-regexp', where SPC chars are significant etc. (For that var the result of filling ended up, in effect, replacing the SPC before the + at the end of the regexp with just a newline.) Some enhancement of pretty-printing, to control (or at least to try to control) the width is needed. Maybe that's what's been implemented as part of the fix. If so, great. The problem, in general, is this: * We need to be able to print (e.g. pretty-print) any Lisp value. * Buffer `*Help*' should not have lines longer than what the style convention calls for. Trying to finesse those two different rules is the difficulty. 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