From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:20:57 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#14740 <14740@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#14740 <14740@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Strange manual on website Reply-To: bug#14740 <14740@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:20:57 +0000 retitle 14740 Strange manual on website reassign 14740 emacs submitter 14740 Arni Magnusson severity 14740 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 28 08:58:37 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2013 12:58:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46459 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYG4-0003UJ-2V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFz-0003Tw-Ew for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFt-0005RL-5k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:26 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:60726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFt-0005RG-2m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFr-0000du-TE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFq-0005Qn-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:23 -0400 Received: from hafgarpur.hafro.is ([130.208.64.48]:41945) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UsYFm-0005Q5-Ud; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:58:19 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hafro.is Received: from hafstokkur.hafro.is (hafstokkur [130.208.66.45]) by hafgarpur.hafro.is (8.14.2/8.14.2/hafro-2.47) with ESMTP id r5SCwDK1029563; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:58:13 GMT Received: from hafstokkur.hafro.is (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hafstokkur.hafro.is (8.14.7/8.14.6/hafro-1.6) with ESMTP id r5SCwDYX046769; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:58:13 GMT Received: from localhost (arnima@localhost) by hafstokkur.hafro.is (8.14.7/8.14.6/hafro-0.3) with ESMTP id r5SCwCmc046766; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:58:13 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: hafstokkur.hafro.is: arnima owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:58:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Arni Magnusson To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Strange manual on website Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.03 (LFD 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: webmasters@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) The GNU Emacs Manual website, http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html has strange copies of the manual. That's where I download the official PDF manual. I had noticed that the Emacs Manual 24.3 had unusually much material copied verbatim from the Lisp Reference Manual 24.3. For example, information about functions intended for Lisp programmers (not Emacs user commands). The Emacs Manual had also grown very abruptly from ca. 600 pages for many versions, to 894 pages. To satisfy my curiosity, I downloaded the Texinfo source (http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/texi/emacs.texi.tar.gz) and, sure enough, it compiles to 602 pages, with practically no overlap with the Lisp Reference Manual. I think the solution is to recompile the Texinfo source and upload the correct manuals (PS, PDF, etc.) to the GNU Emacs Manual website. Arni From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jun 29 14:22:07 2013 Received: (at 14740) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Jun 2013 18:22:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uszmh-0008FR-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:22:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51728 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uszmf-0008FJ-MX for 14740@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:22:06 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uszmd-0007Pz-62; Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:22:03 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Arni Magnusson Subject: Re: bug#14740: Strange manual on website References: X-Spook: Saddam Hussein Defcon mania ICE Putin 9/11 Blowpipe X-Ran: dm}6OB^0Yg$,me2seE]5ID/7dRW-V{U_S!`=l37dGctDc51UxtjcsS?'Oc[pHYy?eMG*'G X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 14:22:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Arni Magnusson's message of "Fri, 28 Jun 2013 12:58:12 +0000 (GMT)") Message-ID: <688v1sixpx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14740 Cc: 14740@debbugs.gnu.org, webmasters@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -6.3 (------) Arni Magnusson wrote: > I had noticed that the Emacs Manual 24.3 had unusually much material > copied verbatim from the Lisp Reference Manual 24.3. For example, > information about functions intended for Lisp programmers (not Emacs > user commands). The Emacs Manual had also grown very abruptly from ca. > 600 pages for many versions, to 894 pages. Huh, I have no idea what can have happened there. Fixed. (BTW, no need to cc webmasters on bug reports about the Emacs web pages.) 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