From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 25 22:38:56 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2013 02:38:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41500 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrfdH-0003mM-RF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42898) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrfdF-0003m0-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Urfd5-0007yL-J0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:47 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE,T_DKIM_INVALID autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:38483) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Urfd5-0007yH-GV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44612) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Urfd2-0006bu-L9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:43 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Urfcz-0007wm-Nn for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:40 -0400 Received: from mail-ve0-x241.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400c:c01::241]:33568) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Urfcz-0007we-IO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:38:37 -0400 Received: by mail-ve0-f193.google.com with SMTP id d10so4180664vea.8 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:38:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5rdtYzES2I0Q1pL1s+QMWK4Ph1C4mBNOhpkcQxqcZJI=; b=NMATXXHQ0IAbTDShgqJHryhV7AXZH9qp8iHyfoOneNZoucdJxT6gxhIpc6tAqw+Ndu aJ0Pkv6cdBzyJ6mriKVc1iPVz25yYikAoL2jxIpjRAnTjbjft3k6b5QBfPfJt8Eb2mAK a678AoonqL2Sm38/3kUzXmJEnmciKsUAbxJjyFfCxlb/j/jN/tZc+M1AeT/Orj6rZF8e VAHUupm4/I7wEIXw5ua/rn0Tq1oE2EowvXpcBl+SZA8TmpiQFiwUKOvZLxfcn3/IcCQd bd/sqKrNM9RwxGnw9Y4mWX4DnhlbIY4bEoeawqXOOY1SjlxiP1QBglDZoS1IWxCSHqy1 FNgA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.240.6 with SMTP id vw6mr987362vec.16.1372214316897; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.75.14 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 19:38:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:38:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d8712ea222b04e0058a53 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) --047d7b6d8712ea222b04e0058a53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If i keep PageUp or PageDown pressed on a buffer, it does not redisplay the screen fast enough. Only when I release the key, will it update the screen. I have had this problem since previous versions of emacs on windows. Scolling with the scroll bar works fine. I ran emacs with -Q. It also scrolls fine if I run without graphical interface (-nw). In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2013-03-17 on MARVIN Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --cflags -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include -ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2' Important settings: value of $LANG: ESM locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u g Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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If i keep PageUp or PageDown pressed on a buffer, it does = not redisplay the screen fast enough. Only when I release the key, will it = update the screen. I have had this problem since previous versions of emacs= on windows. Scolling with the scroll bar works fine. I ran emacs with -Q. = It also scrolls fine if I run without graphical interface (-nw).

In GNU Emacs 24.3.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601)
=A0of 2013-03-= 17 on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version= 6.1.7601
Configured using:
=A0`configure --with-gcc (4.7) --cflags =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/l= ibXpm-3.5.8/src
=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
= =A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/li= bs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
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=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include
=A0-ID= :/devel/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.13.1-1-dev/include
=A0-ID:/devel/emacs/lib= s/libxml2-2.7.8/include/libxml2'

Important settings:
=A0 value of $LANG: ESM
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Major mode= : Lisp Interaction

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=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
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=A0 blink-cur= sor-mode: t
=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=A0 auto-encryption-mode: t<= br>=A0 auto-compression-mode: t
=A0 line-number-mode: t
=A0 transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:<= br><lwindow> <apps> M-x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u
g <= ;return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and = the GNU system, type C-h C-a.

Load-path shadows:
None found.

Features:
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--047d7b6d8712ea222b04e0058a53-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 25 22:55:48 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2013 02:55:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Urftc-0004LG-0e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:55:48 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:51385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrftY-0004Kw-7z for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:55:46 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MOZ00400C3E1X00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:55:37 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MOZ003GTC4POY90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:55:37 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 05:55:29 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 21:38:36 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > > If i keep PageUp or PageDown pressed on a buffer, it does not redisplay the > screen fast enough. Only when I release the key, will it update the screen. > I have had this problem since previous versions of emacs on windows. Does it happen with any file you visit, or just with some? Does it happen in any major mode, or just with some? Does this happen in "emacs -Q"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 26 11:29:57 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2013 15:29:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrrfR-0006Ij-3G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:29:57 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:61450) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrrfO-0006I7-0x for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 11:29:55 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP000D00AUZUX00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:53 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP000DA4B04UD20@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:53 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion is archived by the bug tracker.] > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > > Yes, in any file. > > Yes, in any mode. > > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll bar though, > as well as with "emacs -nw". What CPU do you have there, and what display? Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat rate on that machine? In which version of Emacs did this start happening? (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 26 12:57:02 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2013 16:57:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43212 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Urt1h-0002BO-HE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:57:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:52698) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Urt1d-0002B7-13 for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 12:56:58 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP000E00EYLPF00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:56:50 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP000EQ3F2PB4C0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:56:50 +0300 (IDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:56:44 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: mariovalspi@gmail.com Message-id: <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion > is archived by the bug tracker.] > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500 > > From: Mario Valencia > > > > Yes, in any file. > > > > Yes, in any mode. > > > > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll bar though, > > as well as with "emacs -nw". > > What CPU do you have there, and what display? > > Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat > rate on that machine? > > In which version of Emacs did this start happening? > > (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.) Here's an experiment; let me know what you see on your machine. emacs -Q C-x C-f xdisp.c RET M-x fundamental-mode RET (Use any other large file if you don't have Emacs sources, which is where xdisp.c comes from.) Now lean on the PgDn key, and tell me whether Emacs can keep up. On my Core i7 machine, Emacs keeps up just fine, and on average a single processing unit is busy 20%, i.e. there's plenty of spare processing power left. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 26 19:55:24 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jun 2013 23:55:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrzYZ-0008GS-4S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:55:24 -0400 Received: from mail-vb0-f46.google.com ([209.85.212.46]:39354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrzYU-0008G3-NN for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:55:20 -0400 Received: by mail-vb0-f46.google.com with SMTP id 10so78464vbe.33 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:55:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=YbtDFzvNypngjFIAhoIGA3KDOSdjDtr/qeDSziW/HzE=; b=IuuEgYKFdFCcUTd/jeR9/sCgyjJ31Pzb+xWjMRP79JSBbLD+6bFPokAKPAb3jDFR3/ yrWmSk9N3tlvO087kQzG0uLHjGYluKs37p5J4dzP8Vo4fCk0m5Y7HYT55E/8sDlhDvFS bVq28SHFcOBZS1OspX3VVlPwegZEui+UqwrbgIT2rknubWREDSDvPewodR0tXRHRWGNv 1BVKxU7cEZbmGNk8PGHJleBgBLTRpHKuDBjL1zqSW9FQyN/ylBEUsmDrwNlol4CS+hQE 5r7Kd4y9IcsNzvR0LrvExhLSVMUBN5TPpCgr9ogPlR/SHQfR5pJylUo5w+zumZY5XzOO 2Lcw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.33.162 with SMTP id s2mr2229956vdi.37.1372290912898; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.75.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 16:55:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:55:12 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d066a64596704e01760fd X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --20cf307d066a64596704e01760fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't have the sources, but emacs can never keep up when I press PgDn or PgUp in any file in any mode. This always happened to me with emacs, maybe since the version that was released say a year ago for windows; I dont remember what version exactly. I can confirm this bug happens in fundamental mode, with emacs -Q, with a large text file that has no large lines. I have an Acer Aspire One AOD257. Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz, 1666 Mhz Not sure about the display. Oh! I dont know how to see the exact number, but the keyboard repeat rate was set to max. I lowered it down and it solved the problem. Is it still a bug? 2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii > > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300 > > From: Eli Zaretskii > > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion > > is archived by the bug tracker.] > > > > > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500 > > > From: Mario Valencia > > > > > > Yes, in any file. > > > > > > Yes, in any mode. > > > > > > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll bar > though, > > > as well as with "emacs -nw". > > > > What CPU do you have there, and what display? > > > > Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat > > rate on that machine? > > > > In which version of Emacs did this start happening? > > > > (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.) > > Here's an experiment; let me know what you see on your machine. > > emacs -Q > C-x C-f xdisp.c RET > M-x fundamental-mode RET > > (Use any other large file if you don't have Emacs sources, which is > where xdisp.c comes from.) > > Now lean on the PgDn key, and tell me whether Emacs can keep up. > > On my Core i7 machine, Emacs keeps up just fine, and on average a > single processing unit is busy 20%, i.e. there's plenty of spare > processing power left. > --20cf307d066a64596704e01760fd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't have the sources, but emacs can neve= r keep up when I press PgDn or PgUp in any file in any mode. This always ha= ppened to me with emacs, maybe since the version that was released say a ye= ar ago for windows; I dont remember what version exactly. I can confirm thi= s bug happens in fundamental mode, with emacs -Q, with a large text file th= at has no large lines.

I have an Acer Aspire One AOD257.
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570=A0=A0 = @ 1.66GHz, 1666 Mhz
Not sure about the display.

Oh! I= dont know how to see the exact number, but the keyboard repeat rate was se= t to max. I lowered it down and it solved the problem. Is it still a bug?


2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org=
>
> [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion<= br> > is archived by the bug tracker.]
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500
> > From: Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.com>
> >
> > Yes, in any file.
> >
> > Yes, in any mode.
> >
> > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll ba= r though,
> > as well as with "emacs -nw".
>
> What CPU do you have there, and what display?
>
> Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat > rate on that machine?
>
> In which version of Emacs did this start happening?
>
> (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.)

Here's an experiment; let me know what you see on your mach= ine.

=A0emacs -Q
=A0C-x C-f xdisp.c RET
=A0M-x fundamental-mode RET

(Use any other large file if you don't have Emacs sources, which is
where xdisp.c comes from.)

Now lean on the PgDn key, and tell me whether Emacs can keep up.

On my Core i7 machine, Emacs keeps up just fine, and on average a
single processing unit is busy 20%, i.e. there's plenty of spare
processing power left.

--20cf307d066a64596704e01760fd-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 26 20:04:32 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2013 00:04:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43957 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrzhP-00007v-AL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:04:31 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com ([209.85.220.181]:54569) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UrzhM-00007Z-GS for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 20:04:29 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id lf11so35263vcb.12 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=RY+BNJK1m2NK4HJvhcvKLPYg+fKmeTjFqrfKzsvgtXI=; b=l1RKZyALRzXb3c5PoUZYtw/5FVn9YEZyuMr8Z7SqJ6+x3mlkHU0prtxJYHDrTJWUhw S8sPkBVu4XQw5squLFrUNMK5lRI62cQB4B7iiHmsjdlngG3pKPOtAMbFKhvLmGRd1Aqf T7iPoLArgidROjDQ0TmBKE43Z/kWidHobyp9bIiS/3LMCDTLGp7ZpKdzTNEgyldcTc6n iDlv9QbhtLAGOCkSA9TN4cMWOMgUPOe5ik5MZZSTpXICpfHwcUjnxQVb0p95RL/R1ufe Qx3JQBQCQst+CFYXK3vQgbWEGEG8plR2FSTYp/VHJaRWehyr8DueX8itlen8PdeXRcKr TRAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.114.135 with SMTP id e7mr2645929vcq.17.1372291462851; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.75.14 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 17:04:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:04:22 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b342d8a2bf2ac04e01781cf X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --047d7b342d8a2bf2ac04e01781cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I would say it's still a bug. And scrolling up, with PgUp is much slower than scrolling down. I have to set the keyboard repeat rate unacceptably low in order to be able to scroll normally with PgUp. 2013/6/26 Mario Valencia > I don't have the sources, but emacs can never keep up when I press PgDn or > PgUp in any file in any mode. This always happened to me with emacs, maybe > since the version that was released say a year ago for windows; I dont > remember what version exactly. I can confirm this bug happens in > fundamental mode, with emacs -Q, with a large text file that has no large > lines. > > I have an Acer Aspire One AOD257. > Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570 @ 1.66GHz, 1666 Mhz > Not sure about the display. > > Oh! I dont know how to see the exact number, but the keyboard repeat rate > was set to max. I lowered it down and it solved the problem. Is it still a > bug? > > > > 2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii > >> > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300 >> > From: Eli Zaretskii >> > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org >> > >> > [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion >> > is archived by the bug tracker.] >> > >> > > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500 >> > > From: Mario Valencia >> > > >> > > Yes, in any file. >> > > >> > > Yes, in any mode. >> > > >> > > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll bar >> though, >> > > as well as with "emacs -nw". >> > >> > What CPU do you have there, and what display? >> > >> > Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat >> > rate on that machine? >> > >> > In which version of Emacs did this start happening? >> > >> > (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.) >> >> Here's an experiment; let me know what you see on your machine. >> >> emacs -Q >> C-x C-f xdisp.c RET >> M-x fundamental-mode RET >> >> (Use any other large file if you don't have Emacs sources, which is >> where xdisp.c comes from.) >> >> Now lean on the PgDn key, and tell me whether Emacs can keep up. >> >> On my Core i7 machine, Emacs keeps up just fine, and on average a >> single processing unit is busy 20%, i.e. there's plenty of spare >> processing power left. >> > > --047d7b342d8a2bf2ac04e01781cf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would say it's still a bug. And scrolling up, with P= gUp is much slower than scrolling down. I have to set the keyboard repeat r= ate unacceptably low in order to be able to scroll normally with PgUp.


2013/6/= 26 Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.com>
I don't have the sources, but emacs can neve= r keep up when I press PgDn or PgUp in any file in any mode. This always ha= ppened to me with emacs, maybe since the version that was released say a ye= ar ago for windows; I dont remember what version exactly. I can confirm thi= s bug happens in fundamental mode, with emacs -Q, with a large text file th= at has no large lines.

I have an Acer Aspire One AOD257.
Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N570=A0=A0 = @ 1.66GHz, 1666 Mhz
Not sure about the display.

Oh! I= dont know how to see the exact number, but the keyboard repeat rate was se= t to max. I lowered it down and it solved the problem. Is it still a bug?



2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 18:28:46 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 14721@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
> [Please keep the bug address on the CC list, so this whole discussion<= br> > is archived by the bug tracker.]
>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 22:42:59 -0500
> > From: Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.com>
> >
> > Yes, in any file.
> >
> > Yes, in any mode.
> >
> > Yes, with emacs -Q, as I said. It scrolls fine with the scroll ba= r though,
> > as well as with "emacs -nw".
>
> What CPU do you have there, and what display?
>
> Also, can you tell what is the frequency of the keyboard auto-repeat > rate on that machine?
>
> In which version of Emacs did this start happening?
>
> (FWIW, I see no such slowdown on the Windows systems I work on.)

Here's an experiment; let me know what you see on your mach= ine.

=A0emacs -Q
=A0C-x C-f xdisp.c RET
=A0M-x fundamental-mode RET

(Use any other large file if you don't have Emacs sources, which is
where xdisp.c comes from.)

Now lean on the PgDn key, and tell me whether Emacs can keep up.

On my Core i7 machine, Emacs keeps up just fine, and on average a
single processing unit is busy 20%, i.e. there's plenty of spare
processing power left.


--047d7b342d8a2bf2ac04e01781cf-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 26 22:54:37 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2013 02:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44185 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Us2M1-00056O-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:54:37 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:63736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Us2Ly-00056A-Vu for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Jun 2013 22:54:36 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP100J006HXBM00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:54:27 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP100JWB6QR2VB0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:54:27 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 05:54:22 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:04:22 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > I would say it's still a bug. And scrolling up, with PgUp is much slower > than scrolling down. I have to set the keyboard repeat rate unacceptably > low in order to be able to scroll normally with PgUp. I'd say this is expected with your CPU. It's not a bug in the sense that the code works as it was designed. If someone knows how to make scrolling much faster (I don't), patches are welcome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 27 20:57:30 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2013 00:57:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsN0D-0005HZ-Nm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:57:30 -0400 Received: from mail-vb0-f68.google.com ([209.85.212.68]:52731) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsN0B-0005HL-DL for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 20:57:27 -0400 Received: by mail-vb0-f68.google.com with SMTP id w16so498751vbb.7 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=DTowNQUuQuR3kMSeRD9j5CUMZeJVS9hLfFQfPpUF+CM=; b=u7K6uGBEO2V9CnCl1EU+vBZIbrNSkdUiRZ307H19Dr+je+g6+Dco4EAoR9gI3ZPkgz VP3nkEhx8dAiW5jAvs+K1Hsiw+wbha6FuIXIQyWOtdElsLfG6D7V4gfPqzIgC7x8fGAu llABrsj1iy9s2xWF/10flczAKF5CFNwFLNiB2sr8t1x25vpMdFKq6jDAur9liYylsmwM SPuUTI1/OJ3Ff8ZSwTSeZiSc01diSpBEzAjMgJOeVuCH4oa8UncixDyTQDaouCV5kgQT KnLXvmszu5v7SGSdHEzqwyIpJ3Q0YUmnjamNz03cUSED8kqgxZv/YZ355wkpnSguk1Ud hFwQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.236.70 with SMTP id us6mr4508024vec.89.1372381041374; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.75.14 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:57:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Fwd: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6a90677bc7904e02c5c93 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --047d7bd6a90677bc7904e02c5c93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mario Valencia Date: 2013/6/27 Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 To: Eli Zaretskii I don't know why scrolling has to be so slow. I certainly don't have that problem with any other text editor. Moreover, it scrolls just fine with the scroll bar. And why is scrolling up with PgUp much slower than scrolling down? 2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii > > Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:04:22 -0500 > > From: Mario Valencia > > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > I would say it's still a bug. And scrolling up, with PgUp is much slower > > than scrolling down. I have to set the keyboard repeat rate unacceptably > > low in order to be able to scroll normally with PgUp. > > I'd say this is expected with your CPU. It's not a bug in the sense > that the code works as it was designed. If someone knows how to make > scrolling much faster (I don't), patches are welcome. > > --047d7bd6a90677bc7904e02c5c93 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


---------- Forwarded me= ssage ----------
From: Mario Valencia = <mariovalspi@= gmail.com>
Date: 2013/6/27
Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7
T= o: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>

I don't know why scrolling has to be so slow= . I certainly don't have that problem with any other text editor. Moreo= ver, it scrolls just fine with the scroll bar. And why is scrolling up with= PgUp much slower than scrolling down?

2013/6/26 Eli Zaretskii = <eliz@gnu.org><= /span>
> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 19:04:22 -0500
> From: Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.com>
> Cc: 14721@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
> I would say it's still a bug. And scrolling up, with PgUp is much = slower
> than scrolling down. I have to set the keyboard repeat rate unacceptab= ly
> low in order to be able to scroll normally with PgUp.

I'd say this is expected with your CPU. =A0It's not a bug in = the sense
that the code works as it was designed. =A0If someone knows how to make
scrolling much faster (I don't), patches are welcome.



--047d7bd6a90677bc7904e02c5c93-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 28 01:55:14 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2013 05:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsReJ-0006Tt-DE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:55:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:55059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsReF-0006TG-Vj for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:55:09 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP3002009OVIU00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:55:01 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP3002A99ROEX40@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:55:01 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 08:54:58 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.] > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:55:15 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > > I don't know why scrolling has to be so slow. I certainly don't have that > problem with any other text editor. Emacs have a lot of display-related features other editors don't, which makes the simplest display-oriented operations very complex under the hood. Just to give you an idea of the complexity: when text includes variable-size fonts and images, how do you know where is the start of the next or previous window-full, in terms of character positions? E.g., if the next/previous line beyond the current window is a large image, scrolling would mean to move the viewport by a single line. By contrast, if you are in some kind of folding mode, which hides a lot of text, the next/previous window start can be very far away. There's no way Emacs can know this in advance, so it actually scans the text before and after the window to decide where to start the next window-full. > Moreover, it scrolls just fine with the scroll bar. Scroll bar scrolls by smaller amounts, so Emacs succeeds to optimize redisplay and keep up. > And why is scrolling up with PgUp much slower than scrolling down? For boring technical reasons, scrolling up and down use very different code paths in the display engine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 28 02:29:04 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2013 06:29:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46181 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsSB5-0007sQ-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:29:04 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f182.google.com ([209.85.220.182]:65347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsSB1-0007rY-7O for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 02:29:00 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id id13so636987vcb.13 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:28:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=GfH7wLKvrNwk5PCl50rXmzdzeK+Ey42NNwIPGs4ENWA=; b=ZXxtmzLwGmkTdE8+EXNOkfx0hqujDqeo+opWt7DgmJK9hPTimqg8OO2YYcFPbbVVFZ YtL5Wrq90FIpRk8t2JKvatCZ8xyTRPi98OK9cYIAjWVr85G6z+A0U/NRWtoSaiofK7Wh UQhtJ5RPdQeLYh7Sdp0rUrFkAk6nMnvkdWAaD+iuJ6BAkBBmJYm+VLkwZW3v4nEzv2/u uh7kkD1glGIFHkY2SdNkEg4AmhgoyLmLHQPnLsNGNS9oXIeOALETvoK21yfYAXgCWdio FofYZ+zW2P6ifccLptk+RAPLj35WtnieC6dDFkcAdD/eBOqGI6uu45Gn/Cy7XZUIXJjK 31zQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.122.70 with SMTP id lq6mr2008542vdb.44.1372400933628; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.75.14 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 23:28:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013a129a236fdc04e030feb1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e013a129a236fdc04e030feb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :( 2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii > [Please keep the bug address on the CC list.] > > > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:55:15 -0500 > > From: Mario Valencia > > > > I don't know why scrolling has to be so slow. I certainly don't have that > > problem with any other text editor. > > Emacs have a lot of display-related features other editors don't, > which makes the simplest display-oriented operations very complex > under the hood. > > Just to give you an idea of the complexity: when text includes > variable-size fonts and images, how do you know where is the start of > the next or previous window-full, in terms of character positions? > E.g., if the next/previous line beyond the current window is a large > image, scrolling would mean to move the viewport by a single line. By > contrast, if you are in some kind of folding mode, which hides a lot > of text, the next/previous window start can be very far away. There's > no way Emacs can know this in advance, so it actually scans the text > before and after the window to decide where to start the next > window-full. > > > Moreover, it scrolls just fine with the scroll bar. > > Scroll bar scrolls by smaller amounts, so Emacs succeeds to optimize > redisplay and keep up. > > > And why is scrolling up with PgUp much slower than scrolling down? > > For boring technical reasons, scrolling up and down use very different > code paths in the display engine. > --089e013a129a236fdc04e030feb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix= it. :(


2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
[Please keep the bug address on the CC list.= ]

> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 17:55:15 -0500
> From: Mario Valencia <mari= ovalspi@gmail.com>
>
> I don't know why scrolling has to be so slow. I = certainly don't have that
> problem with any other text editor.

Emacs have a lot of display-related features other editors don't,=
which makes the simplest display-oriented operations very complex
under the hood.

Just to give you an idea of the complexity: when text includes
variable-size fonts and images, how do you know where is the start of
the next or previous window-full, in terms of character positions?
E.g., if the next/previous line beyond the current window is a large
image, scrolling would mean to move the viewport by a single line. =A0By contrast, if you are in some kind of folding mode, which hides a lot
of text, the next/previous window start can be very far away. =A0There'= s
no way Emacs can know this in advance, so it actually scans the text
before and after the window to decide where to start the next
window-full.

> Moreover, it scrolls just fine with the scroll bar.

Scroll bar scrolls by smaller amounts, so Emacs succeeds to optimize<= br> redisplay and keep up.

> And why is scrolling up with PgUp much slower than scrolling down?

For boring technical reasons, scrolling up and down use very differen= t
code paths in the display engine.

--089e013a129a236fdc04e030feb1-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 28 03:07:43 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Jun 2013 07:07:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46218 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsSmU-0000ox-AC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 03:07:42 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:43710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UsSmQ-0000of-IZ for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 03:07:40 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MP300G00D0F3N00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:07:14 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MP300FWPD42RK60@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:07:14 +0300 (IDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:07:12 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :( Try a faster machine. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 11 22:25:59 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 02:25:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57281 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwbW-0005Xk-Kj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:25:58 -0400 Received: from mail-vc0-f181.google.com ([209.85.220.181]:63309) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwbS-0005XV-Vh for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:25:56 -0400 Received: by mail-vc0-f181.google.com with SMTP id hz10so6697315vcb.26 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=15wDbTu0+S3AH7VcY5m5tBm0u4PqBoc8HtDBjdG01VI=; b=d8svZ4EON+0vn1d9Dd5GIloG5CFJXACjFvB9ukcT66NiKiUysdUogQx2r9jYIjODVh RedPPUQd6WiKRt2P7+aqNsMqka7nyQsvdlRqTLSCDdXI+jx6yCchkSx3u7nk8RDIs3RM KBsXZ3XyOpYlGc/N8PpS/jSJXa55hUphfGMLo1IEQBRaeqZNFEd4ZDuseRpv6SNOd7KP naSai57fy6psAULmFeFT6rWn5w0k4lAdGBPYDfpuIRjdO4qA7vTtCeJakHrOtGS7F/+C xvHpLJpTQmnSend4ra0nnrblhZP7NIgmK8BYoK24zJss5L263UtK2qzk6AWJ9BjDecJj tSrQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.1.203 with SMTP id 11mr4247470vcg.15.1378952749260; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.120.47 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:25:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:25:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3d3f4c824ba04e6267431 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c3d3f4c824ba04e6267431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 finally discovered that emacs -xrm Emacs.fontBackend:gdi makes scrolling much faster. 2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii > > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 > > From: Mario Valencia > > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :( > > Try a faster machine. > --001a11c3d3f4c824ba04e6267431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
finally discovered that=A0 emacs -xrm Emacs.fontBackend:gd= i=A0=A0 makes scrolling much faster.
<= br>
2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>=
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia <mari= ovalspi@gmail.com>
> Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org=
>
> Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :(

Try a faster machine.

--001a11c3d3f4c824ba04e6267431-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 11 22:26:50 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 02:26:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57288 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwcL-0005ZR-Gm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:26:49 -0400 Received: from mail-vb0-f45.google.com ([209.85.212.45]:50249) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwcD-0005Z3-Nn for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:26:47 -0400 Received: by mail-vb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id e15so6643604vbg.4 for <14721@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:26:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=3MqGL0TeuTL+xvmlgGFv3/FC8EdRjbFME7wTA5ZtB6Y=; b=Ro9O0tNSBjyco9nb772/2cz9W+Ix+Ak4KT7EOn5O5WYTFT7Rv+IBSenXzGsV/MG9dD Zb/DRvPfgY7uwDwMdwSh5izHX77DFhM+knNk3ukJRJmoRyTbBj+vId0yNqEqc48ePcDw zGzeVAziR8/K8kamz7r3l3ivJWadudTAo5kLHGpfkPlRZC3+eb2TEPBQbh62DUiGiy9A 5mJSLG2CPoOOMc90RuYF1kv+YJoCIKitWUMEcGI+PjjvIwX13iS1+vmhivjGC/e3P5/l xfOAQyHn3FvM1kJ+EdmsP5uf5m/cupS3gojErAfLREpQKqNGurv/VEKKXchOFjoTIumJ RG2w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.211.227 with SMTP id nf3mr4331315vec.20.1378952796377; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.120.47 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 19:26:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:26:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 From: Mario Valencia To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6b65a971b3004e62677ab X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --047d7bd6b65a971b3004e62677ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 and btw, my computer is NOT "too slow" to scroll fast. it is a bug for sure. 2013/9/11 Mario Valencia > finally discovered that emacs -xrm Emacs.fontBackend:gdi makes > scrolling much faster. > > > 2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii > >> > Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 >> > From: Mario Valencia >> > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org >> > >> > Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :( >> >> Try a faster machine. >> > > --047d7bd6b65a971b3004e62677ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
and btw, my computer is NOT "too slow" to scroll= fast. it is a bug for sure.


2013/9/11 Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.c= om>
finally discovered that=A0 = emacs -xrm Emacs.fontBackend:gdi=A0=A0 makes scrolling much faster.


2013/6/28 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:28:53 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia <mariovalspi@gmail.com>
> Cc: 14721@d= ebbugs.gnu.org
>
> Well I guess that's it then, there's no way to fix it. :(

Try a faster machine.


--047d7bd6b65a971b3004e62677ab-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 11 22:47:57 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 02:47:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57329 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwwn-000681-3W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:47:57 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:43161) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VJwwi-00067j-OI for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2013 22:47:53 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MSZ00300RQ6BC00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:47:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MSZ003OERRL9O30@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:47:46 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:47:34 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Mario Valencia Message-id: <83k3imiwmx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 21:26:36 -0500 > From: Mario Valencia > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > and btw, my computer is NOT "too slow" to scroll fast. it is a bug for sure. > > > finally discovered that emacs -xrm Emacs.fontBackend:gdi makes > > scrolling much faster. If switching the font back end makes it much faster, then if there is a bug, it's not in Emacs. Emacs uses both font back ends the same. Granted, the default Uniscribe back end is much more complex, so can take more processing power (through I don't see any difference on my machine). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 12 11:05:19 2013 Received: (at 14721) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Sep 2013 15:05:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59042 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VK8SM-0000sx-N4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:05:19 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:38754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VK8SJ-0000sg-QY for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 11:05:16 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MT000C00PQS5Q00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 14721@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:05:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MT000CDSPWK6A00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:05:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 18:04:55 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#14721: slow scrolling on windows 7 In-reply-to: <83k3imiwmx.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: mariovalspi@gmail.com Message-id: <83ioy6hyi0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83sj05h97i.fsf@gnu.org> <83r4fohowh.fsf@gnu.org> <83fvw4hktv.fsf@gnu.org> <83a9mcgt5t.fsf@gnu.org> <83ip0yg4p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehbmg1cv.fsf@gnu.org> <83k3imiwmx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14721 Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) > Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 05:47:34 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 14721@debbugs.gnu.org > > If switching the font back end makes it much faster, then if there is > a bug, it's not in Emacs. Emacs uses both font back ends the same. > Granted, the default Uniscribe back end is much more complex, so can > take more processing power (through I don't see any difference on my > machine). Actually, there could be some difference due to a more complex processing that the Uniscribe back end might induce on Emacs, but that should only happen with complex scripts. And you say that you see the problem with any file, including, I presume, pure ASCII text. So I don't think complex script processing could be an issue here. 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