From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:08:16 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#14696 <14696@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#14696 <14696@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; order of items in `custom-file' (or init file) Reply-To: bug#14696 <14696@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 11:08:16 +0000 retitle 14696 24.3.50; order of items in `custom-file' (or init file) reassign 14696 emacs submitter 14696 Drew Adams severity 14696 wishlist tag 14696 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 23 12:38:24 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2013 16:38:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnJ2-0006lC-CQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36110) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIz-0006kx-Fa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:22 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIt-0000l5-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:16 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:34353) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIt-0000kd-5t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37823) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIs-0001HF-3x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIr-0000d5-5z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:14 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:30240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UqnIq-0000YJ-W0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 12:38:13 -0400 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r5NGcAFs027059 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:38:11 GMT Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r5NGc9iE021915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:38:10 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r5NGc9mq025461 for ; Sun, 23 Jun 2013 16:38:09 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <01acb229-393e-4012-98d3-46c631639fde@default> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; order of items in `custom-file' (or init file) X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -4.0 (----) Enhancement request. Currently, options and faces are sorted using `string<' when written to your `custom-file'. That can make it easy to find something in the file, I suppose, but (a) you can alternatively and easily find an entry using Isearch, and (b) you can always split a list in the file into lines and sort the lines, if you really want to see such a sort order. Is there some other reason to sort entries this way? Alternatively, it could be more useful to put new and updated entries at the head of the option and face lists. That way, the lists would record the update order (at least in some common cases, if not in all cases). And that can help when you want to find something that you changed recently. The enhancement request would be to either: 1. (Preferably) timestamp each update or new entry, e.g., as part of the entry itself or via a separate alist for all entries. 2. If not, do not sort entries using `string<', but just add then at the head of each list (options, faces). #1 would be more involved, but would be better (precise). It would help us create a command, for instance, that would let you find changes made during any given time period etc. (In effect, this would be a bit like providing automatic version control for your custom file.) In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2013-06-20 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 113100 eliz@gnu.org-20130620173624-w9v620tog4yacftk Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/binary --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3 LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib CPPFLAGS=3D-Ic:/Devel/emacs/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 25 01:27:47 2021 Received: (at 14696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Dec 2021 06:27:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n10Wx-00064k-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 01:27:47 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f179.google.com ([209.85.214.179]:42551) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n10Wv-00064U-5v for 14696@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 01:27:45 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f179.google.com with SMTP id u16so7822693plg.9 for <14696@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:27:45 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KXBKdj7Vi43hnw3OF+tXGZn1z52+jf0Yb0ogKUOiYfk=; b=ugoBCCdsl08YM9fwoZnDZOxG9gWz8clyvuSv8AXYOsyIfVmtOf1x8t/XKcFd41qDPU y01RMriGrIt5CmzcNo2dTmdenScn7vVGf3ULVT3iH25mE21PfOs5E5tp0lIKk4lfZwc7 1cBsZEtv9hEV+oN0mVPWRywgOpmNytOqK3O/i+rzqbB80hFU/4PaCR43/eHaDg/Im1qE L9bBbPRHl0N9iOqk1HpHCH2/xKhBpVuu7vOpLpIv9Uj5Un2Fs1MOr4XASwfzmP+MLvx3 uG8AzlbM30fr4mdtyg7g5Gj2LClkpO6WVMMPVRKfhwnTaeTYxOXbz2R9ZXWhumO/E9RY Rtpw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532cOrIvNZ9OR9BTUrToppvRVJkdbh9+zGRYGYkCvXOMbMKd68a5 +5dSXpI/pLA2nj249oi+s9zWgVFxEKdzWmJWeE0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz0qidMFoamXyR0s64pZn5IZ8ZAuFWV8mEaY59Dbe2Mo6PCj26b480lZ9NzndMclxBoxspebWYKB04viViQuC0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:4b0e:: with SMTP id lx14mr11366928pjb.132.1640413659473; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:27:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:27:38 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <01acb229-393e-4012-98d3-46c631639fde@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 23 Jun 2013 09:38:09 -0700 (PDT)") References: <01acb229-393e-4012-98d3-46c631639fde@default> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 22:27:38 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#14696: 24.3.50; order of items in `custom-file' (or init file) To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14696 Cc: 14696@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Enhancement request. > > Currently, options and faces are sorted using `string<' when written to > your `custom-file'. That can make it easy to find something in the > file, I suppose, but (a) you can alternatively and easily find an entry > using Isearch, and (b) you can always split a list in the file into > lines and sort the lines, if you really want to see such a sort order. > > Is there some other reason to sort entries this way? Yes, it makes it easier to keep under version control without conflicts. > Alternatively, it could be more useful to put new and updated entries at > the head of the option and face lists. That way, the lists would record > the update order (at least in some common cases, if not in all cases). > > And that can help when you want to find something that you changed > recently. > > The enhancement request would be to either: > > 1. (Preferably) timestamp each update or new entry, e.g., as part of the > entry itself or via a separate alist for all entries. > > 2. If not, do not sort entries using `string<', but just add then at the > head of each list (options, faces). This would create more conflicts when keeping your configuration under version control, so I don't think it's a good idea. > #1 would be more involved, but would be better (precise). It would help > us create a command, for instance, that would let you find changes made > during any given time period etc. > > (In effect, this would be a bit like providing automatic version control > for your custom file.) 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Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:53:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:53:19 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <01acb229-393e-4012-98d3-46c631639fde@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2021 13:53:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#14696: 24.3.50; order of items in `custom-file' (or init file) To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14696 Cc: "14696@debbugs.gnu.org" <14696@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > I'd propose that users be able to control the order, > with a user option. The current sort order, which > provides the advantage you cite, could be one of the > predefined option-value choices. What I suggested > could be another predefined choice. And providing > a sort function could be another (a catch-all that > let's you sort any way you like). [snip] > It's a good idea for those who don't put that file > under vc, or those who have an easy way to resolve > such "conflicts". Sure, I have no objection to adding such behavior optionally. If it wasn't for the limitations of git, I might prefer something like that myself. > Indeed. What of that - no comment? I only included it for context in this (very old) bug report, so that subscribers to bug list could easily see the full text. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Yes, it makes it easier to keep under version control without conflicts. I don't see a compelling case to make this customiseable -- in my opinion, very few people would use this. (The very few who'd like this can add advice to the relevant functions to do this.) So I'm cl [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14696 Cc: 14696@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > Yes, it makes it easier to keep under version control without conflicts. I don't see a compelling case to make this customiseable -- in my opinion, very few people would use this. (The very few who'd like this can add advice to the relevant functions to do this.) 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