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24.2; semantics of `backward-delete-char' changed in 24, breaking programs

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From: Taylor R Campbell <campbell+gnu-emacs <at> mumble.net>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2;
 semantics of `backward-delete-char' changed in 24, breaking programs
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:26:33 +0000

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In GNU Emacs 24, the semantics of `backward-delete-char' changed so
that it sometimes does far, far more than just deleting a character
backward.  This needlessly breaks programs that assumed it would do
just that, such as paredit.  In particular, if the region is active
and transient mark mode is enabled, it deletes the region, which, in
the case of paredit, wreaks havoc with the buffer.  If you want to
change the semantics, change the name, just like with
`backward-delete-char-untabify'.

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In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64--netbsd, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
 of 2013-01-20 on manticore
Configured using:
 `configure
 '--srcdir=/tmp/pkg/current/work/editors/emacs24/work/emacs-24.2'
 '--localstatedir=/pkg/current/pkg/var' '--without-dbus'
 '--x-includes=/usr/X11R7/include' '--x-libraries=/usr/X11R7/lib'
 '--with-x' '--with-xpm' '--with-jpeg' '--with-tiff' '--with-gif'
 '--with-png' '--with-x-toolkit=athena' '--prefix=/pkg/current/pkg'
 '--build=x86_64--netbsd' '--host=x86_64--netbsd'
 '--infodir=/pkg/current/pkg/info' '--mandir=/pkg/current/pkg/man'
 'build_alias=x86_64--netbsd' 'host_alias=x86_64--netbsd' 'CC=cc'
 'CFLAGS=-I/pkg/current/pkg/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R7/include
 -I/usr/X11R7/include/freetype2' 'LDFLAGS=-L/pkg/current/pkg/lib
 -L/usr/lib -Wl,-R/usr/lib -Wl,-R/pkg/current/pkg/lib -L/usr/X11R7/lib
 -Wl,-R/usr/X11R7/lib' 'LIBS=' 'CPPFLAGS=-DTERMINFO
 -I/pkg/current/pkg/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/X11R7/include
 -I/usr/X11R7/include/freetype2''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: C
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
ESC x r e p o r t SPC e m a c s SPC b u g SPC DEL 
RET

Recent messages:
("emacs")
Loading term/xterm...done
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.

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Message #8 received at 14606 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Taylor R Campbell <campbell+gnu-emacs <at> mumble.net>
Cc: 14606 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14606: 24.2;
 semantics of `backward-delete-char' changed in 24, breaking programs
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 13:48:47 -0400

Taylor R Campbell wrote:

> In GNU Emacs 24, the semantics of `backward-delete-char' changed so
> that it sometimes does far, far more than just deleting a character
> backward.  This needlessly breaks programs that assumed it would do
> just that, such as paredit.

In GNU Emacs 23.3 onwards:

C-h f delete-backward-char

  This is meant for interactive use only; from Lisp, better use
  `delete-char' with a negated argument.

And byte-compiling a file with contents:

  (defun foo ()
    (delete-backward-char 1))

results in:

  foo.el:1:8:Warning: `delete-backward-char' used from Lisp code
  That command is designed for interactive use only


So I think that ship has sailed and it's time to update your code.

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