From hanche+bounces@math.ntnu.no Sat Nov 29 05:53:59 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Nov 2008 13:53:59 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mATDrtRB014169 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:53:57 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:51048) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L6QGK-0007YB-Vs for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:53:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6QGe-0001E6-Sq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:53:54 -0500 Received: from abel.math.ntnu.no ([129.241.15.50]:47639) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L6QGe-0001DS-AV for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 08:53:52 -0500 Received: (qmail 17338 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 13:53:49 -0000 Received: from gauss.math.ntnu.no (HELO localhost) (hanche@129.241.15.102) by abel.math.ntnu.no with ESMTPA; 29 Nov 2008 13:53:49 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:53:47 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode, From: Harald Hanche-Olsen X-URL: http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ X-Mailer: Mew version 6.1.53 on Emacs 23.0.60 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 8 (1) The following happens on mac os x, nextstep build. It does NOT happen on freebsd, x11 build. (Those are the only two places I have tried.) M-x set-variable RET longlines-show-hard-newlines RET t C-x b asdf RET M-x longlines-mode RET Type some text in the buffer, followed by RET Type some more text. Bug symptom #1: Nothing happens. M-x longlines-mode RET. Bug symptom #2: The longlines-show-effect string is not cleaned out right, leaving the buffer contents looking as follows: ---- asdf adsf---- I expect this bug is not at all specific to longlines-mode, but that it is a text property related bug in the nextstep implementation. - Harald ---------------- In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 (powerpc-apple-darwin9.5.0, NS apple-appkit-949.35) of 2008-11-29 on macknife Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 97.112.112.108.101.45.97.112.112.107.105.116.45.57.52.57.46.51.53 configured using `configure '--with-ns' '--without-x'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: longlines-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t use-hard-newlines: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t From hanche+bounces@math.ntnu.no Sat Nov 29 06:52:30 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1452) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Nov 2008 14:52:30 +0000 Received: from abel.math.ntnu.no (abel.math.ntnu.no [129.241.15.50]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id mATEqQYD030037 for <1452@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 06:52:27 -0800 Received: (qmail 27047 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 14:52:24 -0000 Received: from gauss.math.ntnu.no (HELO localhost) (hanche@129.241.15.102) by abel.math.ntnu.no with ESMTPA; 29 Nov 2008 14:52:24 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:52:22 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> To: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) From: Harald Hanche-Olsen In-Reply-To: References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> X-URL: http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ X-Mailer: Mew version 6.1.53 on Emacs 23.0.60 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It appears that I wrote Bug symptom #2: The longlines-show-effect string is not cleaned out right, leaving the buffer contents looking as follows: ---- asdf adsf---- But that is misleading as it turns out; I got fooled by text properties hiding some text. In that buffer, after enabling longlines-mode, I had typed "asdf" RET "asdf" (without the quotes) and then saw this in the buffer: asdf¶ with the cursor on the second line. Then, after I turned off longlines-mode, that changed into asdf ¶ But if I now copy the buffer (C-x h M-w) and paste the result in a terminal window, I get asdf asdf without a final newline. - Harald From hanche+bounces@math.ntnu.no Sat Nov 29 07:11:32 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1452) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 29 Nov 2008 15:11:32 +0000 Received: from abel.math.ntnu.no (abel.math.ntnu.no [129.241.15.50]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id mATFBS2Y003264 for <1452@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 07:11:30 -0800 Received: (qmail 109 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2008 15:11:27 -0000 Received: from gauss.math.ntnu.no (HELO localhost) (hanche@129.241.15.102) by abel.math.ntnu.no with ESMTPA; 29 Nov 2008 15:11:27 -0000 Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:11:26 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> To: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) From: Harald Hanche-Olsen In-Reply-To: <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> X-URL: http://www.math.ntnu.no/~hanche/ X-Mailer: Mew version 6.1.53 on Emacs 23.0.60 / Mule 6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Apologies for the noise, but I'v been reading in the elisp manual how to get the buffer contents. So here we go again: I create a new buffer, enable longlines-mode with longlines-show-hard-newlines turned on, and type: asdf RET asdf Now (buffer-string) returns #("asdf asdf" 4 5 (hard t rear-nonsticky (hard) display #("¶ " 0 2 (face escape-glyph))) 5 9 (display #("¶ " 0 2 (face escape-glyph)))) Disabling longlines-mode and running (buffer-string) again, I now get #("asdf asdf" 4 5 (hard t rear-nonsticky (hard)) 5 9 (display #("¶ " 0 2 (face escape-glyph)))) I have already described the visual appearance of the buffer in the two circumstances. - Harald From rgm@gnu.org Sat Nov 29 17:32:31 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,MISSING_SUBJECT, NOSUBJECT,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2008 01:32:31 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAU1WSC7000816 for ; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:32:30 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L6bAM-0000fu-7C; Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:32:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18737.60694.139530.475230@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:32:06 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: cyan X-Ran: 8vv)tD8;{"'l*84Lz254~"V7Ey@La+lBzZm:G$XQTI3>Yj!/`,X;a|Z8z#W$hWzdP+7*d3 X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes reassign 1454 spam reassign 1455 spam reassign 1452 emacs,ns reassign 1453 emacs,ns From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 04 23:11:05 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 04:11:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38030 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGIxd-0008AS-Mn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:05 -0500 Received: from mail-qg0-f53.google.com ([209.85.192.53]:36441) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGIxc-00089z-0O for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:04 -0500 Received: by mail-qg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id e32so180064965qgf.3 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:11:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Dc2M00jcJdD9EfVMCLiJZ3Z4ksCuIqHkS6kIPJWaPWc=; b=eJ8Ju1uovFRw5raswGyCHe1LGZQ4KbHEnEV2sq7Ako0mc55L/EnHoiH2fd0BLOHd3L 1xLm4SjJ3pCxS4rE7hpJ91RkkG8aBsVs5fN0X5dUya9WryYqVQgwVfj6Tplj78QsJcKl PtSHpUlYf/B7Yxw5QbU6Uf14Rum5GJt+Bemdd4sf3EA0sfh7MSFLF5Jy5RyN0cBjWcwg u8wtSuG4HhzxIMmUT2F77ELAN+Iagg5OKBVM1s+XskrClO/89REvED3yC73qhR9btbJT LK2BBSlT0vWYX/IEQLvPEUn04E3bdJp7XbQQLIml4TxHYwmROlN2pYyZRiUUXTVAKlHH TEYw== X-Received: by 10.140.108.8 with SMTP id i8mr120320286qgf.24.1451967058681; Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:10:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Andrews-MacBook-Pro.local (cpe-74-73-128-199.nyc.res.rr.com. [74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a132sm41112748qhd.44.2016.01.04.20.10.56 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hyatt X-Google-Original-From: Andrew Hyatt To: Harald Hanche-Olsen Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:10:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> (Harald Hanche-Olsen's message of "Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:11:26 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Harald Hanche-Olsen writes: > Apologies for the noise, but I'v been reading in the elisp manual how > to get the buffer contents. So here we go again: I create a new > buffer, enable longlines-mode with longlines-show-hard-newlines turned > on, and type: asdf RET asdf > > Now (buffer-string) returns > > #("asdf > asdf" 4 5 (hard t rear-nonsticky (hard) display #("=C2=B6 > " 0 2 (face escape-glyph))) 5 9 (display #("=C2=B6 > " 0 2 (face escape-glyph)))) > > Disabling longlines-mode and running (buffer-string) again, I now get > > #("asdf > asdf" 4 5 (hard t rear-nonsticky (hard)) 5 9 (display #("=C2=B6 > " 0 2 (face escape-glyph)))) > > I have already described the visual appearance of the buffer in the > two circumstances. > > - Harald Sorry this bug has been open for so long, in fact it has the rare privelage of being open for so long the package you are having a problem with (longlines-mode), no longer is part of emacs. It has been replaced with visual-line-mode. I'll close this bug. 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[74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h14sm25589226qhc.33.2016.01.04.20.11.34 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 04 Jan 2016 20:11:34 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hyatt X-Google-Original-From: Andrew Hyatt Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:11:33 -0500 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: control message for bug #1452 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 1452 wontfix close 1452 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 12:32:48 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 17:32:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39036 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVTU-0003sR-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57415) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVTS-0003sF-S9 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVTN-0002E5-4D for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:41 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:56469) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVT8-00028k-Af; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:26 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVT6-0007ml-KK; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:24 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Andrew Hyatt Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> X-Spook: Sinaloa PGP Botnet Task Force Methamphetamine Albania SP4 X-Ran: pLDzEr_;l$h\5*\~&CM-:=W8T"*-ybX}N+n"J>FF)zxvhn|D"`-e%Q}lqq3qyv-m>F8TY? X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andrew Hyatt's message of "Mon, 04 Jan 2016 23:10:55 -0500") Message-ID: <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, Harald Hanche-Olsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Andrew Hyatt wrote: > Sorry this bug has been open for so long, in fact it has the rare > privelage of being open for so long the package you are having a problem > with (longlines-mode), no longer is part of emacs. It's in lisp/obsolete/. Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-01/msg00171.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 12:40:05 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 17:40:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39048 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVaX-00043s-6C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:40:05 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f46.google.com ([209.85.213.46]:35984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGVaV-00043A-Gf for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:40:03 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f46.google.com with SMTP id f2so231072947vkb.3 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:40:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=xXPsPs8ERvdafY/S9jIEx+RNEDOpRVAAW1Y6+85OUtI=; b=x3S0Q8lkCBF7qTw/1NtIX9e5ee4Pg6fOt7xC3WSEd4RDLpvtiiZbDQVe4U/j4QjZUb LNaC1ZtftjH/zbKtHWprfPqGNrjpnmStgdF4zXt9h3MecciPFiUF1B/yUu9XCm64nTq5 JgJ7cszLBtUanjNC/4TfM1o1YGAno3kFKrIwWgMXW94KtdKQ38T+x8fh3hAqnHs5EJeF ARsgIkR/qVhwkK9cbSE8hzyo6bEwtv1e1+SY2ZWttLLUX3S1CJJ/P+EYg9tIu1qKNttA gcw7asLx9HPZwyG8LxK/5pbdvxPHmPMXiS1AlOIeCUolaMSRUlYKEBXggQYc3C899Wtd iwKg== X-Received: by 10.31.8.136 with SMTP id 130mr67758062vki.34.1452015597986; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 09:39:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> From: Andrew Hyatt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:39:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143dbd0ed2c14052899b95a X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, Harald Hanche-Olsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1143dbd0ed2c14052899b95a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Glenn Morris wrote: > Andrew Hyatt wrote: > > > Sorry this bug has been open for so long, in fact it has the rare > > privelage of being open for so long the package you are having a problem > > with (longlines-mode), no longer is part of emacs. > > It's in lisp/obsolete/. > Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-01/msg00171.html Is that a widespread opinion? I disagree, FWIW. One of the big purposes of obsoleting things is to reduce the number of things that must be maintained. --001a1143dbd0ed2c14052899b95a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 5,= 2016 at 12:32 PM Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.o= rg> wrote:
Andrew Hyatt wrot= e:

> Sorry this bug has been open for so long, in fact it has the rare
> privelage of being open for so long the package you are having a probl= em
> with (longlines-mode), no longer is part of emacs.

It's in lisp/obsolete/.
Eli thinks such things should still be fixed:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/ht= ml/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-01/msg00171.html

= Is that a widespread opinion?=C2=A0 I disagree, FWIW.=C2=A0 One of the big = purposes of obsoleting things is to reduce the number of things that must b= e maintained. =C2=A0
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Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:29:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:29:27 +0200 Message-Id: <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:24 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, ahyatt@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:32:24 -0500 > Cc: Harald Hanche-Olsen , 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > Andrew Hyatt wrote: > > > Sorry this bug has been open for so long, in fact it has the rare > > privelage of being open for so long the package you are having a problem > > with (longlines-mode), no longer is part of emacs. > > It's in lisp/obsolete/. > Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: Unless the fix is complicated or risky or... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 13:38:24 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 18:38:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39106 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWUy-0005VZ-Cf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWUw-0005VL-Cl for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWUq-0003sE-Bv for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:17 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:57691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWUq-0003sA-96; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:16 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4047 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGWUp-0001AC-0B; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:38:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:38:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83io3750te.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrew Hyatt In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:39:48 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Andrew Hyatt > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:39:48 +0000 > Cc: Harald Hanche-Olsen , 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2016-01/msg00171.html > > Is that a widespread opinion? I disagree, FWIW. One of the big purposes of > obsoleting things is to reduce the number of things that must be maintained. You don't have to handle bugs you think shouldn't be handled. Just leave them in their current state, and someone else will handle them. Thanks. 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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r193sm130158098pfr.65.2016.01.05.12.38.10 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:38:11 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 436F612085D91; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:38:10 -0800 (PST) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) In-Reply-To: <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:29:27 +0200") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:38:08 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , ahyatt@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It's in lisp/obsolete/. >> Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: > Unless the fix is complicated or risky or... If people want to fix bugs in lisp/obselete, they are free to do so because (a) the bug is open and (b) the code still exists in the distribution. Once the code is gone, we can close the bug as no longer pertaining to Emacs. Until that time, don't feel an obligation to fix bugs in obsolete code that you aren't interested in fixing. There are higher priorities to address. What this discussion objected to (as I read it) was establishing a policy of ignoring bugs in obsolete code. -- John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 15:46:23 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 20:46:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39187 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYUp-0001on-K7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:46:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:55765) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYUo-0001oa-70 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:46:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYUe-0005Na-3O for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:46:16 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:33818) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYUd-0005NO-WB; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:46:12 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4475 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYUX-00037p-Kt; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 15:46:06 -0500 Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:46:11 +0200 Message-Id: <831t9v4uwc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: John Wiegley In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:38:08 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org, ahyatt@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Glenn Morris , hanche@math.ntnu.no, ahyatt@gmail.com, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 12:38:08 -0800 > > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It's in lisp/obsolete/. > >> Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: > > > Unless the fix is complicated or risky or... > > If people want to fix bugs in lisp/obselete, they are free to do so because > (a) the bug is open and (b) the code still exists in the distribution. Once > the code is gone, we can close the bug as no longer pertaining to Emacs. FWIW, I cannot reproduce this bug on my system. Note that the OP explicitly said that he only see this in the NS build, not on X. So I think this is indeed an NS specific bug related to display. Only someone who has access to NS can debug it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 16:12:36 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 21:12:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39213 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYuC-0002Rw-Gl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:12:36 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f44.google.com ([209.85.213.44]:36469) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGYuB-0002Rk-06 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:12:35 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f2so234211202vkb.3 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:12:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=Y0RbMqeGryXiQK1CK8I9WrxpsXK+G6/ZpqwSXvSw3HE=; b=E+aK/xLmGNglTfoy2yhCwMi6GbfUIu1TJfjB8celvSHEamnYRPiihKyCB7Uv4VpWzm bhXWDcuID9qz02MpfpoGWZtSsCLIbFJ55Tm/v+rjzcL6rhe0oOrRylAyN4Ju9WJbmN1E RnUgMZX45OzVrmIcFOOVO5QIzswcQgwDhhF3S5ndOffnwr5uaI8Urb3BQbwKxwUwtgjm sDdfwqpbfiU2fW1eyg03g909pHZPVzDYTpSRuCW4wfYbQrvRwMDD0HI4ix0RITL7Z7kX iJoCnoO90TbVtAw+VPeA5iF0Lgm6KzByafn55BnpTKKliLWet/K96DhdRtStDgga5/3c kHGQ== X-Received: by 10.31.47.200 with SMTP id v191mr70121984vkv.116.1452028349536; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:12:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: From: Andrew Hyatt Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143fae0fa61f405289cb11f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a1143fae0fa61f405289cb11f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:38 PM John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> It's in lisp/obsolete/. > >> Eli thinks such things should still be fixed: > > > Unless the fix is complicated or risky or... > > If people want to fix bugs in lisp/obselete, they are free to do so because > (a) the bug is open and (b) the code still exists in the distribution. Once > the code is gone, we can close the bug as no longer pertaining to Emacs. > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed against ELPA packages. > > Until that time, don't feel an obligation to fix bugs in obsolete code that > you aren't interested in fixing. There are higher priorities to address. > Perhaps we can lower the priority of these kinds of bug in that case to the minimum, so it doesn't show up in the default list for debbugs? > > What this discussion objected to (as I read it) was establishing a policy > of > ignoring bugs in obsolete code. > > -- > John Wiegley GPG fingerprint = 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F > http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 > --001a1143fae0fa61f405289cb11f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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>= >>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> It's in lisp/obsolete/.
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> Unless the fix is complicated or risky or...

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[76.234.68.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s67sm104269552pfi.72.2016.01.05.13.34.38 (version=TLS1 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: John Wiegley X-Google-Original-From: "John Wiegley" Received: by Vulcan.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 45620120AD70C; Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:34:38 -0800 (PST) To: Andrew Hyatt Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Hyatt's message of "Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000") Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:34:35 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.5 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>>>> Andrew Hyatt writes: > If people want to fix bugs in lisp/obselete, they are free to do so > because (a) the bug is open and (b) the code still exists in the > distribution. Once the code is gone, we can close the bug as no longer > pertaining to Emacs. > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm > not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed > against ELPA packages. Interesting. I'd be for such a move. > Until that time, don't feel an obligation to fix bugs in obsolete code > that you aren't interested in fixing. There are higher priorities to > address. > Perhaps we can lower the priority of these kinds of bug in that case to t= he > minimum, so it doesn't show up in the default list for debbugs? Feel free. =2D-=20 John Wiegley GPG fingerprint =3D 4710 CF98 AF9B 327B B80F http://newartisans.com 60E1 46C4 BD1A 7AC1 4BA2 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGcBAEBCgAGBQJWjDbrAAoJEMFE2PTxn+YwvHsMAINiUS76q7MXU6c633zVR3qs UBCrYa8+iRDZ6LcbrppqCIH+iuFWwjrSu2RNqmyRbZVJbF+SC0ESV80leHGLIHrp wZpau3XZiOP63LQhQYC2pta81Um7uetX4VgRp64AIRQTCkhNbgZborEQ0HaVuXtI hUuHYjvRjPtdHuyq+fblTg/w9y3srj4VyL9vcRKEAffO+Wej2tfAjjeZXWOPoct5 qiw6US4OUo1wFKN1v12qBQ9ILUoWwlwq55FEhk/K53HQp9Xr+uiy6BXAeU4ppjzZ 33utGyyofEYQf25zhaxkU4SrCwFj0fj7YCA0BJ0J0VZ9UXrMe6n2FLraNtIHvQOC pecA8oImoqjSnR4RjO13bj1sdyxB68AzwMkYezZ6G7XAu6/Mq1pzUSs/gZzYwEu7 LzW9IrNzKvf4LviQ6p/29JacEuTrFJMAhSu+0TOxme1uJlgewNlSmCLm0RJKkEY4 KmnBheTPrDJPwGMdqFcIYxDAhOWU04tb3zmfuGECbQ== =KuKi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 16:50:34 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2016 21:50:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGZUw-0003Nh-N7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:50:34 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f194.google.com ([209.85.217.194]:36317) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGZUv-0003NU-9J for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:50:33 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f194.google.com with SMTP id ti8so19318360lbb.3 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:50:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yPypG2ATJvVsQXBTsIdT8iAkFpCwysBmBNseei7B9Jo=; b=jImskpnuqLil6WToqKK5TWKDPl55oHXa4Q4uPxbRv1k41Y69iIvTi95E/JaKRrKTR2 iUGGf796IZecpC1ln/MNWMbsnXOObcotyQYGrIQrqMOpex28n3Gq6zBfC5HcvyUqAmfW Dv3Xz5FBan+VCoTyW7v6zhlP2C0qJ6jH31a/08WCnoTt+FqNMbgMmrjjI49THEKiculW 6jPejPzmJXwE13LnVlk4Rhn4WYAl5yrD0Dn/uTdeJji3VuII4fG3pvyWyughvZNCyPPI kwUztavjozfpa0WGyXaBCUnO2SdvkEkAMrlwpVXrFFaITUDkTQ44D4+lwqDuPQMDi5/V jfnw== X-Received: by 10.112.219.101 with SMTP id pn5mr5767479lbc.123.1452030627458; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.190] ([178.252.127.222]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id pn9sm1307482lbc.37.2016.01.05.13.50.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 13:50:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: John Wiegley , Andrew Hyatt References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <568C3AA1.5050903@yandex.ru> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 23:50:25 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/43.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 01/05/2016 11:34 PM, John Wiegley wrote: >> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm >> not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed >> against ELPA packages. > > Interesting. I'd be for such a move. That usually happens when there appears a person interested in maintaining an obsolete package in question, in ELPA. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 20:47:59 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2016 01:47:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39301 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGdCg-0002El-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:47:58 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f48.google.com ([209.85.213.48]:34157) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGdCf-0002EY-E2 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:47:57 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f48.google.com with SMTP id a123so118061195vkh.1 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:47:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=EN16kPrdTSXMUg6JrcjKj2TWaNcQ+McMfj4sTSDn2Ho=; b=jQzt8PDlPRri/7tjVWOLEFdfE1ElZVq5ZOfwnKrV4KYh32VVhic34obdfJlDz009Zt 1LEYNDSObmrQheCUP1OknV3trC/Np6bggBG9K5zLf6vpEZQK7r2ZGJa/1vEJ5g7tTPzh lZALQHfifEQKXZ3XsP6/P21TGuo0p+V/rfNRQ3LqzsHWdzfQoE3+RFt+Sy2zI47U51CW y6UJz7c7b6urIuNSCi/8WNjozWowLn/ROmk8GZP7YtT9QDlcTzHgQz4zpGBL475oTVj0 NlBNtvrgn2E8yVJL8wHe1XF0LOL0RVFgdfFM0Sd+i2kIPhfQ0dIIYBqUMfPgbhn5BEDO kFXw== X-Received: by 10.31.11.204 with SMTP id 195mr68648239vkl.23.1452044871638; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:47:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <568C3AA1.5050903@yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <568C3AA1.5050903@yandex.ru> From: Andrew Hyatt Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 01:47:41 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: Dmitry Gutov , John Wiegley Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114560cec5a5330528a08a00 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a114560cec5a5330528a08a00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:50 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > On 01/05/2016 11:34 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > > >> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? > I'm > >> not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be > filed > >> against ELPA packages. > > > > Interesting. I'd be for such a move. > > That usually happens when there appears a person interested in > maintaining an obsolete package in question, in ELPA. > But what would it mean to maintain an obsolete package? My guess is that this just means putting it in ELPA, considering all bugs closed, and being willing to accept patches to fix any issues that anyone is interested in fixing. --001a114560cec5a5330528a08a00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 5,= 2016 at 4:50 PM Dmitry Gutov <dguto= v@yandex.ru> wrote:
On 01/05= /2016 11:34 PM, John Wiegley wrote:

>> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu E= LPA? I'm
>> not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn= 't be filed
>> against ELPA packages.
>
> Interesting. I'd be for such a move.

That usually happens when there appears a person interested in
maintaining an obsolete package in question, in ELPA.
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But what would it mean to maintain an obsolete package?=C2= =A0 My guess is that this just means putting it in ELPA, considering all bu= gs closed, and being willing to accept patches to fix any issues that anyon= e is interested in fixing.=C2=A0
--001a114560cec5a5330528a08a00-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 20:53:39 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2016 01:53:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGdIB-0002Mj-Et for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:53:39 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f195.google.com ([209.85.217.195]:36746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGdI9-0002MW-A7 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 20:53:37 -0500 Received: by mail-lb0-f195.google.com with SMTP id ti8so19498015lbb.3 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:53:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8nmXS2x310CDK8Tg9/W/DpBo9sUNoE1nKld3T6x9xGc=; b=HV3MlG++T24AQD/F1Dhdr3MrOD4xwXEncqPOrDZMmOiWxdh05VaIbCzTgYx1MUZ8c/ BF2LmqSeHhqZ6w8jKa60bo9TgKapkBHve6hIIYA2EtSG69De8GTMdzkjT6WFkf0PUIen 8C3yFpYNAs+Z97/8wSz3t30ESIEbGZkxDefmzewMTWn4FvaRF36NgOVM9Y0NhG1FPdO4 0L6lFC4otgzR88E4zAYHw6Qi8Y/pBvhN6zg7TzW38G44YFZ8bHTQ9LzjNtqXY9LOYAio lLoiUHqtfyc1Tcfn7FRhxIlDPVN8wFLmR3bW8ameF/HJN/2S6yTFXmlNt6sgkcPQ+xlU sfbA== X-Received: by 10.112.168.5 with SMTP id zs5mr9865907lbb.56.1452045211429; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:53:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.190] ([178.252.127.222]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id zu7sm6680434lbb.36.2016.01.05.17.53.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:53:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: Andrew Hyatt , John Wiegley References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <568C3AA1.5050903@yandex.ru> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <568C7399.8060703@yandex.ru> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 03:53:29 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:43.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/43.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) On 01/06/2016 03:47 AM, Andrew Hyatt wrote: > But what would it mean to maintain an obsolete package? My guess is > that this just means putting it in ELPA, considering all bugs closed, > and being willing to accept patches to fix any issues that anyone is > interested in fixing. I believe it would mean putting it in ELPA, un-obsoleting, and eventually working towards fixing the known bugs, and well as any new ones. It's okay if the new maintainer doesn't make fixing the older bugs the first priority, but closing them, if the package becomes maintained again, doesn't make sense to me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 05 22:45:57 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2016 03:45:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39331 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGf2r-00050m-Ar for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:45:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGf2p-00050Y-Ud for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:45:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGf2h-0004IS-GP for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:45:50 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:39454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGf2h-0004IN-Dc; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:45:47 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4641 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGf2e-0000dR-FZ; Tue, 05 Jan 2016 22:45:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 05:45:52 +0200 Message-Id: <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrew Hyatt In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Andrew Hyatt > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000 > Cc: Glenn Morris , hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm not > sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed against > ELPA packages. AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the core Emacs. So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete packages. (It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are obsolete. ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not for obsolete stuff. If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 06 03:28:51 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2016 08:28:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39439 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGjSd-0003Mn-Mx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:28:51 -0500 Received: from mail-io0-f169.google.com ([209.85.223.169]:33088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGjSc-0003Ma-Mw for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 03:28:51 -0500 Received: by mail-io0-f169.google.com with SMTP id q21so211786991iod.0 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:28:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=LckKyQejlS23ia0wIo14zFAzsAoyEn9sboQNWLZfV+g=; b=qvu2JXEEcOxAbXQPjG2YzG1kFUmnU3CsITonp/8eLQ/kGJanb4QIGQnUP2pak6yUS6 p3JIzzOYb2pdiHb5Qp4ajg+byimZ3Vcl1k2u6EptJFrBOvcZmNlQ1iQI5tBGbEX617O8 1+0FeWkjreJj3n9ZnuB/MSiF7UjdeZiTRA4YdpjH1SgZ05tVBQaafuXe1ZU90Lb0Lzbq 2kgPXxtZ1zFv03NakgmY8EGonwAbKMhyqUNv3ZkLxW6c/1Xg2RZF1mgMeTFXYN3BwCfi tvK+rRkA5tHZZQU80Zi5N8GhlAlVlBDi6OPO95CcpHqlDX/gub46sgnGOW5FrwkdanmD CI7A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.14.72 with SMTP id 69mr55623048ioo.145.1452068925187; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 00:28:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.79.30.131 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 00:28:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:28:45 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) From: Xue Fuqiao To: Andrew Hyatt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, John Wiegley , Eli Zaretskii , hanche@math.ntnu.no X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 5:12 AM, Andrew Hyatt wrote: > > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? I'm > not sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed > against ELPA packages. Like landmark.el? Ref: * http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=1a2773ac2d05c88f9c246ab9fbf0587921000d3a * http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/commit/?id=a5361bf4595b7c0136999e35b3ec32f7deb5aff9 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 06 13:17:05 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jan 2016 18:17:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40565 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGsdt-00016b-7R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:17:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGsds-000161-9t for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:17:04 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGsdm-0006SY-C2 for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:16:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:53382) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aGsdm-0006SI-9g for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:16:58 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aGsde-0006xE-Rl; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:16:52 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: 22nd SAS Tamaulipas Nationalist morse Metro Khaddafi Abu X-Ran: {U,.QJ{gOQXb|BucbF:.)Ki#i<`c&2<]p^X?#&I09`FSc6p}5lwL/qdG,h*R`P<,3B0I&6 X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 13:16:49 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Xue Fuqiao's message of "Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:28:45 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Bug reports for GNU Elpa packages are accepted on bug-gnu-emacs, so moving a package there does not mean its reports can simply be closed. Things are moved to obsolete/ when they are believed to be no longer useful; either because a more modern replacement exists (as in this case), or because few to no people are believed to be using whatever it is any more. For me, bugs in obsolete things go to the bottom of the bug pile. Since the bottom of the pile will never be reached, this means they are wontfix for me. Files in obsolete/ may be deleted from Emacs at some point in the future. In a tiny number of cases, where someone thinks that something that would in obsolete/ could still be useful, and is willing to maintain it, it has been copied to GNU Elpa, where it will live on after it gets removed from Emacs. (Personally I doubt whether such packages will ever see any significant updates, or users.) (This is all off-topic for this report; perhaps this discussion could continue elsewhere, if there is still stuff to say.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 06 20:43:15 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 01:43:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40699 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzbf-0001rj-M5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:43:15 -0500 Received: from mail-vk0-f48.google.com ([209.85.213.48]:34853) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aGzbe-0001rW-Iy for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 20:43:14 -0500 Received: by mail-vk0-f48.google.com with SMTP id k1so166290801vkb.2 for <1452@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:43:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=CsfYA1S9ehwxaYZc7zmBYec7JqDfuqYh7PKjvy/0mPs=; b=gAJprMlStWZsmxMHidUNWaNcJLycGY2yni4xyYr8RhYsb9U60PUGUgFhER856e3mre f0EmSM4MO05Xjg6R5us0KWism4abbuTllwfjZASryvJj6VHKyrmKqp+EV3A2ljoHxJ9W 1hNKeQx3oWQFlUHFjCxH0q7SE+BBWTtZqfcNrN4yL8M2e/wO6RVn+nQ967Jmx3HBlyoj XWEeh1F3cCUzICBAGryVQiMel+pfWrk3H67nQ0ojJCf1wll7akT361PO1GUHEGK2Tt+o CwL3Y2XCvY1D4Ln823LAMU+NPmChWZQfm8l39K53Wy4Xljnow4eO0XkBcrGPI5cpFpfu Kk/g== X-Received: by 10.31.58.74 with SMTP id h71mr72398373vka.149.1452130989054; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 17:43:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Andrew Hyatt Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114405c6c522400528b49767 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a114405c6c522400528b49767 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Andrew Hyatt > > Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000 > > Cc: Glenn Morris , hanche@math.ntnu.no, > 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA? > I'm not > > sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't be filed > against > > ELPA packages. > > AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the > core Emacs. So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete > packages. > > (It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are > obsolete. ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not > for obsolete stuff. If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an > obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.) > That's a fair point. Maybe there could be some special ELPA repository for obsolete packages. But what I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get code to be completely unmaintained. We are, after all, trying to reduce the number of bugs (see the thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to do that. So the only way people would agree on right now, is if we remove the code entirely from emacs distribution. But I suspect that such a change would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone might still be depending on them. --001a114405c6c522400528b49767 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Jan 5,= 2016 at 10:46 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gn= u.org> wrote:
> From: And= rew Hyatt <ahyatt@= gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 21:12:19 +0000
> Cc: Glenn Morris <= rgm@gnu.org>, hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Has anyone considered putting these obsolete packages in the gnu ELPA?= I'm not
> sure about the bug policy, but I'd guess that bugs shouldn't b= e filed against
> ELPA packages.

AFAIK bugs are files against ELPA packages like they are against the
core Emacs.=C2=A0 So moving to ELPA will not change this aspect of obsolete=
packages.

(It also feels wrong to move them to ELPA just because they are
obsolete.=C2=A0 ELPA is supposed to be home for new and advanced stuff, not=
for obsolete stuff.=C2=A0 If someone steps forward wanting to maintain an obsolete package, then a move to ELPA might make good sense, though.)

That's a fair point.=C2=A0 Maybe there c= ould be some special ELPA repository for obsolete packages.=C2=A0 But what = I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get code to= be completely unmaintained.=C2=A0 We are, after all, trying to reduce the = number of bugs (see the thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to = do that.=C2=A0 So the only way people would agree on right now, is if we re= move the code entirely from emacs distribution.=C2=A0 But I suspect that su= ch a change would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone= might still be depending on them.


= =C2=A0
--001a114405c6c522400528b49767-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 06 22:42:31 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 03:42:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aH1T5-0004eJ-H3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:42:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36055) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aH1T3-0004e5-5s for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:42:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aH1Su-0005a5-1v for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:42:23 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36325) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aH1St-0005a1-Us; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:42:19 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1376 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aH1Ss-0001Xu-Tn; Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:42:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:42:29 +0200 Message-Id: <83k2nm2gyi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrew Hyatt In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Andrew Hyatt > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000 > Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, rgm@gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > > what I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get > code to be completely unmaintained. I think removing it is the only way. > We are, after all, trying to reduce the number of bugs (see the > thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to do that. So the > only way people would agree on right now, is if we remove the code > entirely from emacs distribution. But I suspect that such a change > would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone > might still be depending on them. It depends on how long the package was obsolete, I guess. We could define a policy, like a package is deleted after so-and-so many months/years in obsolete/. 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[74.73.128.199]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n35sm22990794qgn.10.2016.01.06.19.54.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:54:32 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Hyatt To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2nm2gyi.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:54:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: <83k2nm2gyi.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2016 05:42:29 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Andrew Hyatt >> Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 01:42:58 +0000 >> Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, rgm@gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> what I'm mostly trying to figure out is if there is *any* way to get >> code to be completely unmaintained. > > I think removing it is the only way. Yeah, I guess that's what I suspected. It seems reasonable, as long as we can remove things. > >> We are, after all, trying to reduce the number of bugs (see the >> thread on 4k bugs) overall, and this is one way to do that. So the >> only way people would agree on right now, is if we remove the code >> entirely from emacs distribution. But I suspect that such a change >> would be rejected, even from obsolete packages, because someone >> might still be depending on them. > > It depends on how long the package was obsolete, I guess. > > We could define a policy, like a package is deleted after so-and-so > many months/years in obsolete/. If you think such a policy would be possible, then I'm happy to propose it in emacs-devel. Maybe obsolete packages can spend one major version in obsolete, and get deleted in the next major version? Or, maybe we can be more aggressive, especially if you think that we can do this over periods of months, and obsolete and deprecate based on minor version instead. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 07 11:02:42 2016 Received: (at 1452) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2016 16:02:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41867 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHD1K-0002Tr-Ie for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:02:42 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49643) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aHD1F-0002Td-HS for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:02:37 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHD15-0000Uu-Ai for 1452@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:02:28 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20,RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:48006) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aHD15-0000Ug-7g; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:02:23 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1669 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aHD14-0003XV-4O; Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:02:22 -0500 Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:02:34 +0200 Message-Id: <83fuy92x9h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Andrew Hyatt In-reply-to: (message from Andrew Hyatt on Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:54:30 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#1452: Acknowledgement (23.0.60; Problem with nextstep, longlines-mode,) References: <20081129.145347.35808910.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.155222.124907962.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <20081129.161126.71259916.hanche@math.ntnu.no> <5vy4c46ifr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83oacz5188.fsf@gnu.org> <83y4c32wwf.fsf@gnu.org> <83k2nm2gyi.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1452 Cc: 1452@debbugs.gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, hanche@math.ntnu.no, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) > From: Andrew Hyatt > Cc: jwiegley@gmail.com, rgm@gnu.org, hanche@math.ntnu.no, 1452@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 22:54:30 -0500 > > > We could define a policy, like a package is deleted after so-and-so > > many months/years in obsolete/. > > If you think such a policy would be possible, then I'm happy to propose > it in emacs-devel. Maybe obsolete packages can spend one major version > in obsolete, and get deleted in the next major version? Or, maybe we > can be more aggressive, especially if you think that we can do this over > periods of months, and obsolete and deprecate based on minor version instead. Please do propose that. (You will have to explain what does 'spend one major version in obsolete" means, though: suppose a package was declared obsolete in v24.5, when will it be removed?) Thanks. From unknown Sun Aug 10 12:54:33 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 12:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator