From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Leo Original-Sender: "Leo, Shidai Liu" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122781090228298 (code B ref -1); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:40:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Nov 2008 18:35:02 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mARIYwO4028271 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:35:00 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:42047) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L5lhH-0005Oy-1U for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:34:39 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5lhZ-0001eO-KK for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:34:57 -0500 Received: from ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.130]:55362) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L5lhZ-0001e8-9M for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:34:57 -0500 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-SpamDetails: not scanned X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.95.72]:59766) by ppsw-0.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.150]:587) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:sl392) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1L5lhX-0000Ck-2w (Exim 4.70) for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org (return-path ); Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:34:55 +0000 From: Leo To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Organization: University of Cambridge, England Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:34:54 +0000 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: "Leo, Shidai Liu" X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list: ("^H" allout-hide-current-subtree) because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with "C-c SPC", unlike other modes. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1442-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1442.12280621683114 (code B ref 1442); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:30:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1442) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2008 16:22:48 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAUGMjms003108 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 08:22:47 -0800 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7317857E09E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:22:46 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Ken Manheimer Cc: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:22:46 -0500 Message-ID: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Ken, What do you think about this suggestion? > The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list: > > ("\C-h" allout-hide-current-subtree) > > because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with > "C-c SPC", unlike other modes. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: "ken manheimer" , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "ken manheimer" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1442-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1442.12280692651546 (code B ref 1442); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:30:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1442) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2008 18:21:05 +0000 Received: from fk-out-0910.google.com (fk-out-0910.google.com [209.85.128.191]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAUIL11Q001540 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:21:03 -0800 Received: by fk-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id f40so2642491fka.1 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=SFfgHi/vfWam286OM/BUgqOoPS+mWdvZwoNy21wxukw=; b=XqRkkLEOKqcM4Xz6hsJF1jzL+I95JjUTGjKkiK9CeF2ep+68p5ufP7ikDDzpP8FiS0 Duq0ESOAFMpXYoK/ofCXfYLsXTOsVVmmOtuiOGWxV2tckr2prScNUKiO7w62FXwwH25+ txahk23M8DA9MBCPhFcZv5dTw9/+NCoFEQ9Pk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=Mr9c07hgr8JKSmt5GEad+wG7wGHzvyMLe5j6+oragr3My5FWK7HJk9fG+ObF+eSI2Q sdg1ZBft04J0gi/xmaZm+ukmwEtftqCzAxNmEp4pqofGilj39bKARhde5BUe+op3VFBs iNx2jIr/myhMXv/w/uCZm5vv/0JqnQm221Vbg= Received: by 10.181.134.11 with SMTP id l11mr700380bkn.73.1228069260735; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.232.14 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 10:21:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:00 -0500 From: "ken manheimer" To: "Chong Yidong" Cc: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful. my reluctance has been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide". ultimately, i think it should be done, but need to feel more comfortable with the provisions for users to adjust the key bindings to their liking, along with changing it. so, what i'd like to see is: - default assignment of "C-c" (for "collapse") in the allout map to allout-hide-current-subtree - default assignment of "C-h" so it shows the key translations (i suppose leaving it unbound accomplishes that?) - customization provisions for the individual allout map key assignments (in addition to the already-present customization provision for the key prefix) i will probably do that sometime in the next few weeks, if nobody else takes it on. (revisiting considerations of online guidance for allout, i would also like to see a new "allout-help" function bound to "?" in the allout map which provides a help-buffer-ish menu of the other help resources, like the allout-mode help, the C-h key translations, the help for allout-toggle-current-subtree-encryption, etc.. i'm going to put that in my list of pending things for eventual satisfaction, and again would not mind having someone else beat me to it...:-) -- ken http://myriadicity.net On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chong Yidong wrote: > > Hi Ken, > > What do you think about this suggestion? > > > The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list: > > > > ("\C-h" allout-hide-current-subtree) > > > > because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with > > "C-c SPC", unlike other modes. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Leo Original-Sender: "Leo, Shidai Liu" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1442-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1442.122807623331020 (code B ref 1442); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:25:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1442) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2008 20:17:13 +0000 Received: from ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.135]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAUKH98C031014 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:17:11 -0800 X-Cam-AntiVirus: no malware found X-Cam-SpamDetails: not scanned X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ Received: from smaug.linux.pwf.cam.ac.uk ([193.60.95.72]:34852) by ppsw-5.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.155]:587) with esmtpsa (LOGIN:sl392) (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) id 1L6sj6-0001MK-GK (Exim 4.70) (return-path ); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:17:08 +0000 From: Leo To: ken manheimer Cc: 1442@debbugs.gnu.org, "Chong Yidong" References: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:17:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> (ken manheimer's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:00 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: "Leo, Shidai Liu" On 2008-11-30 18:21 +0000, ken manheimer wrote: > i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally > find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful. my reluctance has > been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide". ultimately, i > think it should be done, but need to feel more comfortable with the > provisions for users to adjust the key bindings to their liking, along > with changing it. There is already another binding to the hide function ie `C-c SPC h'. Maybe while you are at improving this package, making the key bindings more consistent with outline mode would be nice. Thanks, -- .: Leo :. [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ] .: [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ] :. Use the better alternative -- http://www.openoffice.org/ From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:55:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1442-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1442.122808173221285 (code B ref 1442); Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:55:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,GMAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1442) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2008 21:48:52 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAULmnnf021279 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:48:51 -0800 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 99D1C57E09E; Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:48:50 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: "ken manheimer" Cc: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:48:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> (ken manheimer's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:00 -0500") Message-ID: <877i6k996l.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii "ken manheimer" writes: > i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally > find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful. my reluctance has > been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide". You already bind "h" to allout-hide-current-subtree in allout-keybindings-list. Why not replace all the control keys with non-control keys? That said, do whatever you feel is reasonable :-) From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:49:21 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode Reply-To: Leo , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Leo Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1442 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1442-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1442.12337646922068 (code B ref 1442); Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 1442) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Feb 2009 16:24:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.0 required=4.0 tests=GMAIL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mail-gx0-f20.google.com (mail-gx0-f20.google.com [209.85.217.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n14GOmmt002061 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 4 Feb 2009 08:24:50 -0800 Received: by gxk13 with SMTP id 13so2285476gxk.1 for <1442@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:24:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mKBWST3adYAfkgrmb28Bw65mPET8K83n6TOsRsKhJb0=; b=JIiyUgCF2eULGQebCb/de4rxV6Jx0hPES5+8xdDM9c7QnM00QBTUFi2hds0BJ/UjBz YKQmvY/gIlF1+kldQkzJWVR6TFoLy4Fr5XUdkA1YMVLUWiZI0EGqFlNxt+tmveyl5G5V vGwPb7IZ2paT8Q2j03reiBH4AUifgikKKUbRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Pngyrv3AW7266H5zpfd/Xe8qvrORQK1SeaPlBhesJRPHWHEpYn5+c8sBZsWFBCyATP 7UDoK+IPkvS/aMHjIFzK9ItRY4bV2hWCVpPREUrU30OANSiv9gOATGVVgzSk+uMoEzJO 4NlKxiMrguFOs1NWVnbM90r16UGoVP7KC2zAM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.214.11 with SMTP id m11mr1138046wfg.22.1233764683028; Wed, 04 Feb 2009 08:24:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <877i6k996l.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> References: <87myfhrxnt.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <2cd46e7f0811301021o58243225k877c768018840a3f@mail.gmail.com> <877i6k996l.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:24:43 +0000 Message-ID: <20a0c1020902040824w70ce2febi92840508e057caf0@mail.gmail.com> From: Leo To: Chong Yidong Cc: ken manheimer , 1442@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, I think this bug can be closed. I have reported this twice and nothing was done. I have moved to outline mode (and the awesome org mode). Best wishes, Leo 2008/11/30 Chong Yidong : > "ken manheimer" writes: > >> i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally >> find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful. my reluctance has >> been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide". > > You already bind "h" to allout-hide-current-subtree in > allout-keybindings-list. Why not replace all the control keys with > non-control keys? > > That said, do whatever you feel is reasonable :-) From cyd@stupidchicken.com Mon Aug 10 21:57:17 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 11 Aug 2009 04:57:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n7B4vGBh017036 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:57:17 -0700 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7589D57E275; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: close 1442 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 00:58:10 -0400 Message-ID: <873a7zaqvx.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii close 1442 thanks