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23.0.60; C-h in allout mode

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Message #5 received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com>
To: emacs-pretest-bug <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:34:54 +0000

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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug:

The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list:

 ("^H" allout-hide-current-subtree)

because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with
"C-c SPC", unlike other modes.

Message #10 received at 1442 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
To: Ken Manheimer <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com>, 1442 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:22:46 -0500

Hi Ken,

What do you think about this suggestion?

> The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list:
>
>  ("\C-h" allout-hide-current-subtree)
>
> because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with
> "C-c SPC", unlike other modes.

Message #15 received at 1442 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: "ken manheimer" <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com>
To: "Chong Yidong" <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
Cc: Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com>, 1442 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 13:21:00 -0500

i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally
find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful.  my reluctance has
been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide".  ultimately, i
think it should be done, but need to feel more comfortable with the
provisions for users to adjust the key bindings to their liking, along
with changing it.

so, what i'd like to see is:

- default  assignment of "C-c" (for "collapse") in the allout map to
   allout-hide-current-subtree
- default assignment of "C-h" so it shows the key translations (i
   suppose leaving it unbound accomplishes that?)
- customization provisions for the individual allout map key
   assignments (in addition to the already-present customization
   provision for the key prefix)

i will probably do that sometime in the next few weeks, if nobody else
takes it on.  (revisiting considerations of online guidance for
allout, i would also like to see a new "allout-help" function bound to
"?" in the allout map which provides a help-buffer-ish menu of the
other help resources, like the allout-mode help, the C-h key
translations, the help for allout-toggle-current-subtree-encryption,
etc..  i'm going to put that in my list of pending things for eventual
satisfaction, and again would not mind having someone else beat me to
it...:-)
--
ken
http://myriadicity.net


On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> What do you think about this suggestion?
>
> > The following element should be removed from allout-keybindings-list:
> >
> >  ("\C-h" allout-hide-current-subtree)
> >
> > because it prevents "C-c SPC C-h" to list all key bindings starting with
> > "C-c SPC", unlike other modes.

Message #20 received at 1442 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com>
To: ken manheimer <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 1442 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "Chong Yidong" <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
Subject: Re: bug#1442: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:17:06 +0000

On 2008-11-30 18:21 +0000, ken manheimer wrote:
> i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally
> find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful.  my reluctance has
> been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide".  ultimately, i
> think it should be done, but need to feel more comfortable with the
> provisions for users to adjust the key bindings to their liking, along
> with changing it.

There is already another binding to the hide function ie `C-c SPC
h'. Maybe while you are at improving this package, making the key
bindings more consistent with outline mode would be nice.

Thanks,
-- 
.:  Leo  :.  [ sdl.web AT gmail.com ]  .:  [ GPG Key: 9283AA3F ]  :.

        Use the better alternative -- http://www.openoffice.org/

Message #25 received at 1442 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
To: "ken manheimer" <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Leo <sdl.web <at> gmail.com>, 1442 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:48:50 -0500

"ken manheimer" <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com> writes:

> i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally
> find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful.  my reluctance has
> been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide".

You already bind "h" to allout-hide-current-subtree in
allout-keybindings-list.  Why not replace all the control keys with
non-control keys?

That said, do whatever you feel is reasonable :-)

Message #30 received at 1442 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Leo <sdl.web <at> googlemail.com>
To: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
Cc: ken manheimer <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com>, 1442 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.0.60; C-h in allout mode
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 16:24:43 +0000

Hi there,

I think this bug can be closed.

I have reported this twice and nothing was done.

I have moved to outline mode (and the awesome org mode).

Best wishes,

Leo

2008/11/30 Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>:
> "ken manheimer" <ken.manheimer <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> i've considered it more than once, particularly since i personally
>> find the C-h "show all bindings" binding so useful.  my reluctance has
>> been because "h" is such a nice mnemonic for "hide".
>
> You already bind "h" to allout-hide-current-subtree in
> allout-keybindings-list.  Why not replace all the control keys with
> non-control keys?
>
> That said, do whatever you feel is reasonable :-)

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