From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri May 10 21:49:56 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2013 01:49:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36040 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uaywc-0004vd-R2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 May 2013 21:49:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43662) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uaywa-0004vU-2Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 May 2013 21:49:53 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UaywM-0002ai-7R; Fri, 10 May 2013 21:49:38 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: mh-e non-standard names for defcustom etc X-Spook: Gazprom spy bce infowar ASIO smuggle underground AFSPC X-Ran: {&.tMp+Rl03Jyq-f05j;zd{>z-(x^O9t#f5'/6#r"-V+p"oR"`;ERS/SG9d3~_,bKC*/C1 X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Debbugs-CC: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:49:38 -0400 Message-ID: <3ka9o2jnf1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -8.2 (--------) Package: emacs Version: 24.3 emacs -Q M-x customize-group RET mh TAB [no match] Ie, none of the mh customization groups are visible to the customize interface. This is because you use non-standard macros defgroup-mh, defcustom-mh etc. Because of this, custom-make-dependencies fails to add any mh-e entries to cus-load.el. We can paper over this in the Emacs lisp/Makefile by simply loading mh-e/mh-e when running custom-make-dependencies. It would be simpler if mh-e used standard macros though. Are the -mh versions still needed? "This macro is used by Emacs versions that lack the :package-version keyword, introduced in Emacs 22." Do you still want to support people taking the latest mh-e and running it on Emacs older than 22.1 (released 2007)? I see this came up before. http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=19664.1182361165%40juniper.net&forum_name=mh-e-devel From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun May 12 21:31:56 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2013 01:31:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37934 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UbhcJ-00043K-6q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35971) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UbhcG-00042u-3A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:53 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbq-0006w1-02 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:27 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RP_MATCHES_RCVD,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:40435) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbp-0006vw-Tm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47315) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbn-0004Dh-PI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:25 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbm-0006vS-Lh for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:23 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40982) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbm-0006uK-Ff for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 May 2013 21:31:22 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ubhbk-0007Oa-OX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:31:20 +0200 Received: from c-24-6-48-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([24.6.48.177]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:31:20 +0200 Received: from wohler by c-24-6-48-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 13 May 2013 03:31:20 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Bill Wohler Subject: Re: bug#14384: mh-e non-standard names for defcustom etc Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 18:31:04 -0700 Organization: Newt Software Lines: 40 Message-ID: <87txm7fyxz.fsf@olgas.newt.com> References: <3ka9o2jnf1.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-24-6-48-177.hsd1.ca.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.2 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:AKDw3ySL9aD4+NhwnR1ijTfyt9Y= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: mh-e-devel@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Glenn Morris writes: > Package: emacs > Version: 24.3 > > emacs -Q > M-x customize-group RET mh TAB [no match] > > Ie, none of the mh customization groups are visible to the customize interface. > This is because you use non-standard macros defgroup-mh, defcustom-mh etc. > Because of this, custom-make-dependencies fails to add any mh-e entries > to cus-load.el. > > We can paper over this in the Emacs lisp/Makefile by simply > loading mh-e/mh-e when running custom-make-dependencies. Good to know, thanks! > It would be simpler if mh-e used standard macros though. Agreed! > Are the -mh versions still needed? > "This macro is used by Emacs versions that lack the :package-version > keyword, introduced in Emacs 22." > Do you still want to support people taking the latest mh-e and running > it on Emacs older than 22.1 (released 2007)? We don't even support Emacs 22 any more. However, we support XEmacs 21.4. Let me check to see if we can drop the -mh versions there. If so, I will. If not, I will ask you kindly to "paper over this" until further notice. Thanks! > I see this came up before. > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=19664.1182361165%40juniper.net&forum_name=mh-e-devel -- Bill Wohler aka http://www.newt.com/wohler/ GnuPG ID:610BD9AD From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 13 12:21:46 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 May 2013 16:21:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38824 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UbvVR-0008SZ-Tb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:21:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UbvVM-0008SM-F9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:21:43 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UbvUu-0005kE-DC for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 May 2013 12:21:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 12:21:12 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 14384 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) close 14384 From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:12:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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