From unknown Sat Sep 13 03:51:50 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#14348 <14348@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#14348 <14348@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; `custom-magic-alist': Bad & missing handling of `themed' Reply-To: bug#14348 <14348@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2025 10:51:50 +0000 retitle 14348 24.3.50; `custom-magic-alist': Bad & missing handling of `the= med' reassign 14348 emacs submitter 14348 "Drew Adams" severity 14348 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 04 11:45:11 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 May 2013 15:45:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UYee6-0006Kr-4Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:45:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UYee2-0006Kd-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:45:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYedH-0008DI-7u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:44:20 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_50, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:39059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYedH-0008DE-4d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:44:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60310) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYedG-00016t-5X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:44:19 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYedF-0008Cy-60 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:44:18 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:20691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UYedE-0008Cu-Uc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 04 May 2013 11:44:17 -0400 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r44FiEMe014165 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 15:44:15 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r44FiEBG014987 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 15:44:14 GMT Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r44FiDT8024716 for ; Sat, 4 May 2013 15:44:13 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 04 May 2013 08:44:13 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.3.50; `custom-magic-alist': Bad & missing handling of `themed' Date: Sat, 4 May 2013 08:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac5I3jgyHtpm8HgOSYK9LQZqSqYr6A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) The value `themed' was added as a possibility for `custom-magic-alist'. But this seems to have been done only partially and wrongly. 1. When `themed' is the value, the only accompanying text says only this: "THEMED." That tells you nothing about what the state means. 2. When a Customize group is involved, the accompanying text instead says only this: "visible group members are all at standard values." Is that correct? That text seems to have simply been copy+pasted from the text for value `standard'. Doesn't seem correct to me. 3. But I don't know what value `themed' means, so I cannot suggest a correction. Searching for `themed' in the file, I see `custom-themed', whose doc string says it is a face used when the customize item has been set by a theme. So perhaps `themed' as a state value means that the item has been set by a theme? Just a guess. But what does it mean to have been set by a theme? Is that something that the user did in Customize, or is it something that was done outside of Customize? 4. The `custom-magic-alist' doc string was never updated, to reflect the addition of the possible value `themed'. It details what each value means - except for `themed'. In sum, this new value was added without doing the work necessary to let users know WTF it is for. Please make clear what the state means, including what it indicates wrt how the value was set/changed/defined. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-04-26 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 112399 eggert@cs.ucla.edu-20130426193109-3chlhmjv621m7zdz Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 18 03:59:48 2013 Received: (at 14348-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2013 08:59:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56571 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VtCyn-0003BC-4a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:59:45 -0500 Received: from mail-pd0-f174.google.com ([209.85.192.174]:41639) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VtCyl-0003B4-BP for 14348-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 03:59:44 -0500 Received: by mail-pd0-f174.google.com with SMTP id y13so7856036pdi.5 for <14348-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:59:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=EpM4ezwJ85lwF3Nthkiza+xdxMjORrD28JOV+LNC6wM=; b=YN0H/dUsBBtEHX2Dp7PcMhMaLJASpfig3oqckxGeSkKR36YZiXM36KijPCQEQEZozp WPOO1YKG0oqMjj7+CG8pS2xjjKH/zUsK+UZhYRxNPSfmm2BvHjSm2lR+tHAtEW3/Shqc iFHZGFU4wxGCTB4Gura28AUmtsgAyJH7xFLKBbDxW4I8ALNImHTTMorcPi3mln7TV+ad kFvcCqW19gwrgQRb0UyNZH9xAH1k+ruGD4Qx73QAktzE36vqLRNBbYDCUhQgjawsljRF nRi6OTDiYP4EpFH9XXbVx1X4N/GXiMKf/Z8NIoD6db6EtTP13ycjRcWTkLnB2pa0snkF tdRQ== X-Received: by 10.68.241.5 with SMTP id we5mr32626156pbc.34.1387357182559; Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:59:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsparkle ([155.69.19.37]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id tu6sm39435647pbc.41.2013.12.18.00.59.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:59:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#14348: 24.3.50; `custom-magic-alist': Bad & missing handling of `themed' References: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:59:40 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 4 May 2013 08:44:10 -0700") Message-ID: <87bo0e1qmb.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 14348-done Cc: 14348-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > When a Customize group is involved, the accompanying text instead says > only this: "visible group members are all at standard values." > > Is that correct? That text seems to have simply been copy+pasted from > the text for value `standard'. Doesn't seem correct to me. I've now tweaked it to say that it was set by an enabled Custom theme. The docstring was also updated. See the node on Custom Themes in the Emacs manual for more information on Custom themes. From unknown Sat Sep 13 03:51:50 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator