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24.3.50; Autoloaded defcustom in package loses saved setting

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From: Magnus Henoch <magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; Autoloaded defcustom in package loses saved setting
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:42:51 +0100

1. Set HOME to the name of an empty directory and start a fresh Emacs.

2. Put the following into a file named foo.el:

;;; foo.el --- test autoloaded defcustom
;;;
;;; Version: 0.1

;;;###autoload
(defcustom foo-setting nil
  "A boolean setting."
  :type 'boolean)

;;;###autoload
(defun foo-get-setting ()
  (interactive)
  (message "foo-setting is %s" foo-setting))

(provide 'foo)
;;; foo.el ends here

3. Install foo.el with M-x package-install-file.

4. Type M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET, set the setting to t,
and "save for future sessions".

5. Exit and restart Emacs, still with the new home directory.

6. Type M-x foo-get-setting.  I would expect it to say "foo-setting is
t", but it says "foo-setting is nil".

At this point, M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET will say that
the variable is "CHANGED outside Customize", and choosing "Revert This
Session's Customization" will set foo-setting to t, i.e. the value saved
through Customize.

If the autoload cookie for foo-setting is removed from foo.el, the above
works, with the caveat that it's no longer possible to set foo-setting
with customize-option without first loading foo.el in some other way.
This obviously yields the suggestion "don't do that, then", but the
manual doesn't seem to discourage the programmer from using autoload
cookies with defcustom, so I think either the behaviour or the manual
should be changed.




In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-apple-darwin12.3.0, NS apple-appkit-1187.37)
 of 2013-04-23 on poki-sona.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1187
Configured using:
 `configure CFLAGS=-O0 -g3 --with-ns'

Important settings:
  value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
  locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

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  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
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  display-time-mode: t
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  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  buffer-read-only: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
ESC [ ? 1 ; 2 c ESC x m y - e m DEL DEL i m TAB RET 
ESC x r e p o r t - e m TAB RET

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Message #8 received at 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Magnus Henoch <magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14247: 24.3.50;
	Autoloaded defcustom in package loses saved setting
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:52:09 -0400

> This obviously yields the suggestion "don't do that, then", but the
> manual doesn't seem to discourage the programmer from using autoload
> cookies with defcustom, so I think either the behaviour or the manual
> should be changed.

Using autoloads cookies on defvars and defcustom is indeed something
I generally discourage and I'd like to see such uses diminish.

But at the same time, they are sometimes important, so we should
definitely try to make it work right.

Note that "for M-x customize-option to list it" is not a good reason to
autoload a variable.  We should teach customize-option to load packages
as needed to really remove this desire to autoload variables.


        Stefan

Message #11 received at 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#14247: 24.3.50;
 Autoloaded defcustom in package loses saved setting
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2020 12:25:25 -0300

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Magnus Henoch <magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com> writes:

> 1. Set HOME to the name of an empty directory and start a fresh Emacs.
>
> 2. Put the following into a file named foo.el:
>
> ;;; foo.el --- test autoloaded defcustom
> ;;;
> ;;; Version: 0.1
>
> ;;;###autoload
> (defcustom foo-setting nil
>   "A boolean setting."
>   :type 'boolean)
>
> ;;;###autoload
> (defun foo-get-setting ()
>   (interactive)
>   (message "foo-setting is %s" foo-setting))
>
> (provide 'foo)
> ;;; foo.el ends here
>
> 3. Install foo.el with M-x package-install-file.
>
> 4. Type M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET, set the setting to t,
> and "save for future sessions".
>
> 5. Exit and restart Emacs, still with the new home directory.
>
> 6. Type M-x foo-get-setting.  I would expect it to say "foo-setting is
> t", but it says "foo-setting is nil".
>
> At this point, M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET will say that
> the variable is "CHANGED outside Customize", and choosing "Revert This
> Session's Customization" will set foo-setting to t, i.e. the value saved
> through Customize.

I've tried to reproduce this on the emacs-27 branch, but I can't.
I get:
"foo-setting is t", and the STATE in the customize buffer is SAVED and
set.

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Message #14 received at 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com>
To: 14247 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#14247: 24.3.50;
 Autoloaded defcustom in package loses saved setting
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:46:01 -0300

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Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Magnus Henoch <magnus.henoch <at> gmail.com> writes:
>
>> 1. Set HOME to the name of an empty directory and start a fresh Emacs.
>>
>> 2. Put the following into a file named foo.el:
>>
>> ;;; foo.el --- test autoloaded defcustom
>> ;;;
>> ;;; Version: 0.1
>>
>> ;;;###autoload
>> (defcustom foo-setting nil
>>   "A boolean setting."
>>   :type 'boolean)
>>
>> ;;;###autoload
>> (defun foo-get-setting ()
>>   (interactive)
>>   (message "foo-setting is %s" foo-setting))
>>
>> (provide 'foo)
>> ;;; foo.el ends here
>>
>> 3. Install foo.el with M-x package-install-file.
>>
>> 4. Type M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET, set the setting to t,
>> and "save for future sessions".
>>
>> 5. Exit and restart Emacs, still with the new home directory.
>>
>> 6. Type M-x foo-get-setting.  I would expect it to say "foo-setting is
>> t", but it says "foo-setting is nil".
>>
>> At this point, M-x customize-option RET foo-setting RET will say that
>> the variable is "CHANGED outside Customize", and choosing "Revert This
>> Session's Customization" will set foo-setting to t, i.e. the value saved
>> through Customize.
>
> I've tried to reproduce this on the emacs-27 branch, but I can't.
> I get:
> "foo-setting is t", and the STATE in the customize buffer is SAVED and
> set.

This was 8 months ago.  In the meantime, I was able to reproduce this on
Emacs 24.5, but not with Emacs 25.1 and beyond.

So I'm going to go ahead and close this as fixed.  If this is
incorrect, please reopen.

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