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24.3.50; recursive edit while running ispell not working usefully

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From: help-debbugs <at> gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: tracker <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#14192: closed (24.3.50; recursive edit while running ispell
 not working usefully)
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 09:11:01 +0000

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From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; recursive edit while running ispell not working usefully
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 17:00:52 +0200

Hi,

I think the most common use of entering a recursive edit in an ispell
session (C-r) would be to modify the checked buffer - especially, to
substitute the currently checked word with some other text.  But
whenever I exit the recursive edit (C-M-c), the deleted text reappears
and is highlighted again as unknown by ispell.  I see this in emacs -Q,
e.g. after M-x ispell-buffer in *scratch*.

If this most simple case - replacing the current word - is not working,
we shouldn't IMHO advertise C-r in `ispell-help' etc.

(Had raised this issue in emacs.devel before, but had gotten no answer.)


Thanks,

Michael.




In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.2)
 of 2013-04-10 on dex, modified by Debian
 (emacs-snapshot package, version 2:20130410-1)
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11204000
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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: michael_heerdegen <at> web.de
Cc: 14192-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#14192: 24.3.50;
 recursive edit while running ispell not working usefully
Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2024 11:09:52 +0200

> Cc: 14192 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas <at> gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 08:29:33 +0200
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
> 
> > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>
> > Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>,  14192 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 02:25:20 +0100
> > 
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> > 
> > > FTR: C-r indeed was not meant to be used to modify the misspelled
> > > word.  ispell.el has 'r' and 'R' commands for that.  C-r is for
> > > consulting the rest of the text, without modifying it and without
> > > disrupting the spelling session.  An alternative is to type 'X', make
> > > any modifications you want, and then resume spelling with "C-u M-$".
> > 
> > Thanks - especially for your concretizations of the spell checking
> > related parts in the user manual.
> > 
> > I find it an a bit obscure design that there is C-r that reverses edits,
> > then X, which allows to resume the session, and C-g, which doesn't allow
> > resuming.  Maybe less commands would suffice.  But I don't use ispell
> > often, I can't really tell whether the interface is intuitive, and
> > nobody else seems to be interested in this topic.
> 
> I'm not opposed to patches to maybe make the C-r scenario less
> surprising.  But in general, C-r is an obscure command in this case;
> it isn't an accident that it was not even documented in the user
> manual until recently.  The alternatives described above are IMO
> better.
> 
> > So, if we don't get any other replies until some more time has passed,
> > I'm ok with closing this one.
> 
> Will do in a week or two.

Done.

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