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Customize within two Emacs sessions deletes saved customizations

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From: Barry OReilly <gundaetiapo <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Customize within two Emacs sessions deletes saved customizations
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2013 16:38:50 -0400

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Open Emacs twice: A then B

In B, customize any customizable variable.  Click "Apply and Save".  Verify
init file reflects the save.

In A, customize a different customizable variable.  Click "Apply and
Save".  Verify init file reflects the save.  The first customization made
from within B is gone, contrary to expectation.



In GNU Emacs 24.3.2 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.10.4)
 of 2013-03-11 on psd15
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.70101000
System Description:    Red Hat Enterprise Linux Client release 5.4 (Tikanga)

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Message #8 received at 14150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Barry OReilly <gundaetiapo <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 14150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14150: Customize within two Emacs sessions deletes saved
 customizations
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2020 19:31:09 +0100

Barry OReilly <gundaetiapo <at> gmail.com> writes:

> In B, customize any customizable variable.  Click "Apply and Save".  Verify init file
> reflects the save.
>
> In A, customize a different customizable variable.  Click "Apply and Save".  Verify
> init file reflects the save.  The first customization made from within B is gone,
> contrary to expectation.

(This bug report unfortunately got no response at the time.)

That does seem like surprising behaviour; I agree.  I can also see
somebody going "I really want to save the current customisation state in
this particular Emacs, no matter what I've done elsewhere", which is
what the described behaviour is.

Does anybody have an opinion here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 14150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Barry OReilly <gundaetiapo <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 14150 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#14150: Customize within two Emacs sessions deletes saved
 customizations
Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 08:08:08 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> That does seem like surprising behaviour; I agree.  I can also see
> somebody going "I really want to save the current customisation state in
> this particular Emacs, no matter what I've done elsewhere", which is
> what the described behaviour is.
>
> Does anybody have an opinion here?

Nobody chimed in, but I think the current behaviour is basically
correct -- saving the current customisation state is the least
surprising thing to do here, instead of trying to merge the state from
several Emacsen.

So I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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