From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 14084 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 14084@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.136453439026451 (code B ref -1); Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:20:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2013 05:19:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50420 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRjB-0006sa-Ql for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:19:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38407) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRj9-0006sT-Kz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:19:48 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRge-0005I6-0F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:13 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:36798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRgd-0005I2-T1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49769) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRgc-0007Wf-QX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:11 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRgb-0005Hg-NV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:10 -0400 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:19801) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULRgb-0005HX-G6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 01:17:09 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r2T5H6UT013561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:07 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2T5H5Xb014172 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 05:17:05 GMT Received: from abhmt120.oracle.com (abhmt120.oracle.com [141.146.116.72]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r2T5H55H030315 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:17:05 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.148.114) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:17:05 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:17:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac4sPKUkbpt35nnRSF+42h72HbVuOw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) In a particular mode, suppose code remaps a command, such as `reposition-window', to a command `foo'. `substitute-command-keys' shows that fact only this way: foo That can be good information to show users, provided the currently active bindings of `reposition-window' are known to them. If not, it just obscures things. And `substitute-command-keys' might be called from a particular mode (and several minor modes might be current etc.), so that it might not be accurate or sufficient for a user to resort to `M-x where-is reposition-window' to try to find out what corresponds to in the context of the call to `substitute-command-keys'. Please add an optional arg to `substitute-command-keys' that changes the behavior. Please allow for these 3 possibilities: 1. Follow the current behavior (it could be the default): show only the entry. 2. Show instead a key binding entry for each actual-key binding caused by the remapping. IOW, expand into one or more actual-key bindings. Handle remap of remap the same way. IOW, the output would not show any entries, but would show only their expansions. 3. Show both the entries and their expansions, i.e., #1 + #2. 4. Alternatively, the entries could be links/buttons that when followed expand to actual-key bindings (in place, within the same overall list of bindings). One difference (advantage & disadvantage) with this approach would be the order of the keys in the buffer. Note that with the introduction of things like we are now farther afield from the claimed behavior (and the intention) of `substitute-command-keys': \[COMMAND] is replaced by either a keystroke sequence that invokes COMMAND, or "M-x COMMAND" ... is technically a "keystroke sequence" in one sense (it is a key binding, at least), but in another sense it is not what the user expects. When was added we more or less just punted wrt `substitute-command-keys' - we didn't really finish the job. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-03-23 on VBOX Bzr revision: 112115 eliz@gnu.org-20130323093300-rjs0dgskxm9u0ya4 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/include -IC:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/src -IC:/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1_win32/include -IC:/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2_win32/include -IC:/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1-lib/include -IC:/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4-lib/include -IC:/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1-lib/include -IC:/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -IC:/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.1.10-w32/include -IC:/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.14-2-mingw32-dev/include' From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 13:15:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14084 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 14084@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 14084-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14084.165218845212877 (code B ref 14084); Tue, 10 May 2022 13:15:01 +0000 Received: (at 14084) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2022 13:14:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60669 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1noPgp-0003Ld-U6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2022 09:14:12 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54980) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1noPgo-0003LO-Kh for 14084@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2022 09:14:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CmNPBpKHzWYEYJDFK06DXgnaunu0qT0Yqjg64NSR5Og=; b=hy9Q4i2cw2ht5pOMA63LeVqOZ3 +IFQpd+PRG1j9CRKJ4DFnBzHXdmbU57JQUwFzUPoTZqVoZHFU2nZKC7aMMVQ5AhxX2minyI0MyAYt Z9tKhxxSnZ84A1/NKEicMFqRZlgdLKLg8aYzd5pSEpuM877XGOiwRafStaKEU9/EJcP4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noPgb-0003oi-Mf; Tue, 10 May 2022 15:14:01 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Hejira_: "Song For Sharon" Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 15:13:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 28 Mar 2013 22:17:02 -0700") Message-ID: <87y1z9h6nh.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: "Drew Adams" writes: > In a particular mode, suppose code remaps a command, such as > `reposition-window', to a command `foo'. `substitute-command-keys' > shows that fact only this way: > > foo [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "Drew Adams" writes: > In a particular mode, suppose code remaps a command, such as > `reposition-window', to a command `foo'. `substitute-command-keys' > shows that fact only this way: > > foo > > That can be good information to show users, provided the currently > active bindings of `reposition-window' are known to them. If not, it > just obscures things. This information is displayed in different ways in different contexts. With this test case: (keymap-local-set "C-c c" #'foo) (keymap-local-set " " #'bar) (defun foo () (interactive) "Call with \\[foo]." (message "foo")) (defun bar () (interactive) "Call with \\[foo]." (message "bar")) C-h b (for instance) says bar C-c c foo while C-h f foo RET says Its keys are remapped to =E2=80=98bar=E2=80=99. Without this remapping, it= would be bound to C-c c. I think the `C-h b' output could perhaps be reorganised, because bar and foo frequently are displayed far apart, so the person looking for the key for bar would have to look around. We could, for instance, add an extra line here. 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Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 15:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14084 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: moreinfo To: Drew Adams Cc: "14084@debbugs.gnu.org" <14084@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 14084-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14084.165219784725927 (code B ref 14084); Tue, 10 May 2022 15:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 14084) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2022 15:50:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34904 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1noS88-0006jo-Kx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2022 11:50:47 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1noS87-0006jY-G8 for 14084@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2022 11:50:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=q5qntQV1OmIMwbHjQoSxei47oodHc0afG0RYRtQ5a7Q=; b=AdUFMT/hdoNWXZeb1JCjQJykIp dyIP7K67jE80CRLjtXLvSSA1Yx7cClnw86QPSjovzLTf5FjVikX1m5m6OPCh7Lwm6v5MN48OB9Dmu GF0ms+fRMKZ2diksxkJlLNGpMkyHq2SKtvO5cZBCipKOJ2KsEZifW/gSbV2g74Mso9lM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1noS7w-0005PI-ND; Tue, 10 May 2022 17:50:22 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87y1z9h6nh.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAM1BMVEUNChABAQUMChEV DBQqEBswGSUWEhlbIy9NFyaNJS5iM0qNNVeRRElnRV+kXYgpIC7///99OnJfAAAAAWJLR0QQlbIN LAAAAAd0SU1FB+YFCg8xAoibHIgAAAFOSURBVEjH1VVbbsMwDKMellWnne9/20nOhjXBXMAoVnT6 CZyQokgnDkBrtYp/BeE/esARtO6BX+wBo35WImcMTvRBEBkXVS0qkqsZQUzVRAJYXUfJuDEjwNyL qrteLpdgCHa8zBWidRC0BqEmTnSMN/OAEhoB0hoMHWayeVwnBDOgFEgJvLtQzAQNXZ6OFA/dHW27 XutWi1DmCpunFLGGadw+tupby0EyqWL3hLNELyS3rbC2ihHDeR/OW92FpDUX1KGQfkEPPFghKq2G VWu6E8CHlE4vCjL8FCCquj+HyZzAY5fklja/9xd27HkYiPcOvaff7B4rfkhIEKF1YrFuZpGB9eMQ hxWEiWGhwG2knw14TuAwEZjeO0d/fH3/jz4g8AjfZMT1W73DQfY04e9P72WFN/yhvOFIa3DmNQKu bVGh+pwAuy9hYzYwL8f6CW6pDY52hwCuAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA1LTEwVDE1 OjQ5OjAyKzAwOjAwwJPyjwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wNS0xMFQxNTo0OTowMisw MDowMLHOSjMAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Shadows And Light (2)_: "Woodstock" Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 17:50:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 10 May 2022 15:30:47 +0000") Message-ID: <87a6bpfkub.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Specific request, from the bug report - just please > modify `substitute-command' to add another arg that > provides for the behavior cited: > > ___ > Please add an optional arg to `substitute-comma [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Specific request, from the bug report - just please > modify `substitute-command' to add another arg that > provides for the behavior cited: > > ___ > Please add an optional arg to `substitute-command-keys' that > changes the behavior. Please allow for these 3 possibilities: I asked for an explanation of what the circumstances you wanted to see the different expansions were. Restating the original bug report doesn't help here, but that's par for the course with your responses, of course, so that's OK. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 262bd487-aae8-4bfb-8557-08da329e984f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 May 2022 16:03:16.7447 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: thUQJUuXkUFf4WDni5NBq6lpaeIbFiSR9Q3F/kKqNliUiCLNXfj/JQ9U1hRsaPqEHVfQGeyKuNH8SPLgqJndGQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SJ0PR10MB4446 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.486, 18.0.858 definitions=2022-05-10_04:2022-05-09, 2022-05-10 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2202240000 definitions=main-2205100071 X-Proofpoint-GUID: QinqQG3Lad-kvpX24WASJ5YjYuFtRzdB X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: QinqQG3Lad-kvpX24WASJ5YjYuFtRzdB X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > Specific request, from the bug report - just please > > modify `substitute-command' to add another arg that > > provides for the behavior cited: > > > > ___ > > Please add an optional arg to `substitute-command-keys' that > > changes the behavior. Please allow for these 3 possibilities: >=20 > I asked for an explanation of what the circumstances you wanted to see > the different expansions were. Restating the original bug report > doesn't help here, but that's par for the course with your responses, > of course, so that's OK. It doesn't matter for what circumstances someone would want to use the new arg to specify any of the 3 possible behaviors it should provide. It's up to _callers_ to choose which of those behaviors to specify. The new arg should allow a caller to get any of the 3 behaviors - that's the request. The enhancement specifies what's requested. How or where Emacs itself might choose to use one of the behaviors is irrelevant to the request, and thus beyond its scope. If you want to change any callers in Emacs's own code, that's up to you. My concern is for use of the function by users. That's why I made the request. Your apparent confusion about the idea of users using Elisp functions is perhaps par for the course. But yes, Elisp, and Emacs generally, is for _users_. From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > It doesn't matter for what circumstances someone > would want to use the new arg to specify any of > the 3 possible behaviors it should provide. I get it; you don't have a specific use case in mind, but just want this because you want it. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > It doesn't matter for what circumstances someone > would want to use the new arg to specify any of > the 3 possible behaviors it should provide. I get it; you don't have a specific use case in mind, but just want this because you want it. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... 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you don't have a specific use case in mind, That doesn't follow at all. Each behavior is useful. I wouldn't have proposed 3 specific behaviors if I didn't think each was useful. > but just want this because you want it. I think it's useful and makes sense. But I have no illusions that you'll find it so, i.e., that you'll "get it". The original request stated the motivation/need: foo just obscures things, if a user doesn't know the currently active bindings of `reposition-window'. That's the problem to fix. I saw 3 alternative ways it can make sense to address the problem, and I specified them. If you want to be constructive, maybe think about those 3 ways or suggest alternative solutions. Or not. As is your wont, just close the bug as wont-fix, if you don't agree there's a problem to fix. To me, the solution to the problem involves, as the Subject line says, expanding the . How to expand it? What do you propose? I think different callers might want different expansions. What do you think? 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Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think the `C-h b' output could perhaps be reorganised, because bar and > foo frequently are displayed far apart, so the person looking for the > key for bar would have to look around. > > We could [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think the `C-h b' output could perhaps be reorganised, because bar and > foo frequently are displayed far apart, so the person looking for the > key for bar would have to look around. > > We could, for instance, add an extra line here. > > But did you have other contexts in mind? Apparently not, so I've now added code to Emacs 29 that results in this sort of display: ido-display-buffer C-x 4 C-o display-buffer ido-display-buffer-other-frame C-x 5 C-o display-buffer-other-frame ido-insert-buffer C-x x i insert-buffer ido-kill-buffer C-x k kill-buffer ido-switch-buffer C-x b switch-to-buffer ido-switch-buffer-other-frame C-x 5 b switch-to-buffer-other-frame ido-switch-buffer-other-window C-x 4 b switch-to-buffer-other-window -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 09 10:42:10 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Jun 2022 14:42:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nzJMQ-0001Z2-3I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2022 10:42:10 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:50812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1nzJML-0001YD-6f for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2022 10:42:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Mf5Ro6mcDTJXpL/+ZIkRMSDYYQF4Iu6WqE/590guhWA=; b=KbFueWEPxXh/NUWUStEnOzXqje Ai7nGjz+cU82Zce2qUb8PaemnZ3zhMty3BY5SIfLgyPyrhFot2XO+ieCyfneeu/hZ9d2TeeJe0js0 uxE2hhJgprLOOLspputVu17Rwqk7GMXmhZGbviNjxBfjfyZWmy0w/vYP0OT5QOz5UcBc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nzJMD-00016B-8X for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Jun 2022 16:41:59 +0200 Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2022 16:41:56 +0200 Message-Id: <878rq53nm3.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #14084 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: close 14084 29.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 14084 29.1 quit From unknown Mon Jun 23 18:30:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#14084: 24.3.50; `substitute-command-keys': allow for expansion of ... 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8c123458-cab1-40cc-5fac-08da4a2dcdc3 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 09 Jun 2022 15:36:21.1838 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ApDYQx89jBWWvNGIUTSbd2bpzz4RZXl2rnnRMALrgUjZIy9eqWEy0nuR48RTeGhyBeIA+Ca518TOXAu78w3CwQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM6PR10MB2716 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.517, 18.0.874 definitions=2022-06-09_12:2022-06-09, 2022-06-09 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2204290000 definitions=main-2206090061 X-Proofpoint-GUID: B4zwZ9u4TXa1EhQBaEjwUnFYeMZ2tsM7 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: B4zwZ9u4TXa1EhQBaEjwUnFYeMZ2tsM7 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > I think the `C-h b' output could perhaps be reorganised,=20 > > because bar and foo frequently are displayed far apart, > > so the person looking for the key for bar would have to look around. > > > > We could, for instance, add an extra line here. > > But did you have other contexts in mind? >=20 > Apparently not, so I've now added code to Emacs 29 > that results in this sort of display: >=20 > ido-display-buffer > C-x 4 C-o display-buffer The request was to please add an optional arg to `substitute-command-keys' that changes the behavior. IOW, give code control - and in the ways suggested. =20 So ... "won't fix". You ignored the request and did what you wanted from the beginning for a different problem you saw: just foo and bar being far apart.