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Bug in Russian localization of coreutils.

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From: Van de Bugger <van.de.bugger <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-coreutils <at> gnu.org
Subject: Bug in Russian localization of coreutils.
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 20:33:41 +0400

$ wc --version
wc (GNU coreutils) 8.15
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later
<http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>.
This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.

Written by Paul Rubin and David MacKenzie.

$ LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 wc --version
wc (GNU coreutils) 8.15
Copyright (C) 2012 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
Лицензия GPLv3+: GNU GPL версии 3 или новее
<http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
Это свободное ПО: вы можете продавать и распространять его.
Нет НИКАКИХ ГАРАНТИЙ до степени, разрешённой законом.

Авторы программы -- Paul Rubin и David MacKenzie.

(Run on Fedora 17 x86_64 with all the updates.)

Pay attention to the 3rd last line:

Это свободное ПО: вы можете >>>продавать<<< и распространять его.

It is strange translation of "This is free software: you are free to
change and redistribute it." because "продавать" means "sell". Of
course, someone may sell free software, but... I would recommend to use
word "изменять" (change) or "модифицировать" (modify).

All the programs (but one) from coreutils use the same wording. I found
103 coreutils programs in bin directory:

$ rpm -ql coreutils | grep bin | wc -l 
103

And 102 occurrences of "продавать":

for f in $(rpm -ql coreutils | grep bin); do LANG=ru_RU.UTF-8 "$f"
--version; done | grep продавать | wc -l
102

One program (I do not know which one) is free from the bug.

Message #8 received at 14067 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Blake <eblake <at> redhat.com>
To: Van de Bugger <van.de.bugger <at> gmail.com>
Cc: gnu <at> mx.ru, 14067 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yuray <at> komyakino.ru
Subject: Re: bug#14067: Bug in Russian localization of coreutils.
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 11:24:28 -0600

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On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Van de Bugger wrote:
> $ wc --version
> wc (GNU coreutils) 8.15

This version is a bit old; have you checked that the problem still
exists in the latest release of ru.po?

> It is strange translation of "This is free software: you are free to
> change and redistribute it." because "продавать" means "sell". Of
> course, someone may sell free software, but... I would recommend to use
> word "изменять" (change) or "модифицировать" (modify).

Thanks for the report.  However, translation bugs are not handled in
coreutils.git, but with the respective translation team.  I've added
gnu <at> mx.ru in cc, based on these portions of ru.po:

"Last-Translator: Yuri Kozlov <yuray <at> komyakino.ru>\n"
"Language-Team: Russian <gnu <at> mx.ru>\n"

#. TRANSLATORS: The placeholder indicates the bug-reporting address
#. for this package.  Please add _another line_ saying
#. "Report translation bugs to <...>\n" with the address for translation
#. bugs (typically your translation team's web or email address).
#: lib/version-etc.c:245
#, c-format
msgid ""
"\n"
"Report bugs to: %s\n"
msgstr ""
"\n"
"Об ошибках сообщайте по адресу <%s>\n"
"Об ошибках в переводе сообщайте по адресу <gnu <at> mx.ru>\n"

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Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org

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Message #15 received at 14067 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Van de Bugger <van.de.bugger <at> gmail.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake <at> redhat.com>
Cc: gnu <at> mx.ru, 14067 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yuray <at> komyakino.ru
Subject: Re: bug#14067: Bug in Russian localization of coreutils.
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:27:05 +0400

On Wed, 2013-03-27 at 11:24 -0600, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 03/27/2013 10:33 AM, Van de Bugger wrote:
> > $ wc --version
> > wc (GNU coreutils) 8.15
> 
> This version is a bit old; have you checked that the problem still
> exists in the latest release of ru.po?

Sorry, I do not have the latest version. I cloned
git://git.sv.gnu.org/coreutils but it does not include any *.po files.

Anyway, thanks. Yuri Kozlov has replied to me, I think the issue will be
fixed soon.

> > It is strange translation of "This is free software: you are free to
> > change and redistribute it." because "продавать" means "sell". Of
> > course, someone may sell free software, but... I would recommend to use
> > word "изменять" (change) or "модифицировать" (modify).
> 
> Thanks for the report.  However, translation bugs are not handled in
> coreutils.git, but with the respective translation team.  I've added
> gnu <at> mx.ru in cc, based on these portions of ru.po:
> 
> "Last-Translator: Yuri Kozlov <yuray <at> komyakino.ru>\n"
> "Language-Team: Russian <gnu <at> mx.ru>\n"
> 
> #. TRANSLATORS: The placeholder indicates the bug-reporting address
> #. for this package.  Please add _another line_ saying
> #. "Report translation bugs to <...>\n" with the address for translation
> #. bugs (typically your translation team's web or email address).
> #: lib/version-etc.c:245
> #, c-format
> msgid ""
> "\n"
> "Report bugs to: %s\n"
> msgstr ""
> "\n"
> "Об ошибках сообщайте по адресу <%s>\n"
> "Об ошибках в переводе сообщайте по адресу <gnu <at> mx.ru>\n"
> 

Message #18 received at 14067-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eric Blake <eblake <at> redhat.com>
To: Van de Bugger <van.de.bugger <at> gmail.com>
Cc: gnu <at> mx.ru, 14067-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, yuray <at> komyakino.ru
Subject: Re: bug#14067: Bug in Russian localization of coreutils.
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:33:04 -0600

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tag 14067 notabug
thanks

On 03/
>> This version is a bit old; have you checked that the problem still
>> exists in the latest release of ru.po?
> 
> Sorry, I do not have the latest version. I cloned
> git://git.sv.gnu.org/coreutils but it does not include any *.po files.

Precisely, because coreutils.git does not maintain the translations, the
translation project does.  You have to run './bootstrap' on a fresh git
checkout before po/ru.po will be pulled in from the translation project.

> 
> Anyway, thanks. Yuri Kozlov has replied to me, I think the issue will be
> fixed soon.

Thanks.  I'm closing this bug so that we can spot in the tracker summary
pages which bugs still need action in coreutils.git.  Obviously, the
problem itself isn't fixed until the translation project has a new file
available, but I'm assuming that will happen before the next upstream
coreutils release.  In the meantime, even if this bug is closed in the
tracker, you can continue to reply with further comments or questions on
the topic.

-- 
Eric Blake   eblake redhat com    +1-919-301-3266
Libvirt virtualization library http://libvirt.org

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