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15 Mar 2013 21:08:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGbrR-0007tY-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:08:21 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:39723) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGbrO-0007tJ-L7 for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:08:19 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MJP00100ZOHTR00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:06:53 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MJP001QSZZGTL20@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:06:53 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:06:53 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13968: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <837gl84bki.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13968 Cc: 13968@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 13:59:09 -0700 > > Backtrace: > 0x01158AA0 > 0x01158B12 > 0x01001459 > 0x01021E80 > 0x0114E571 > 0x7E418730 > 0x7E418812 > 0x7E4189C9 > 0x7E418A0C > 0x0114CB8E > 0x0114CE2D > 0x7C80B725 w32_backtrace at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:7727 emacs_abort at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:7759 terminate_due_to_signal at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/emacs.c:343 die at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/alloc.c:6556 w32_wnd_proc at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:3163 ?? ??:0 ?? ??:0 ?? ??:0 ?? ??:0 w32_msg_pump at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:2493 w32_msg_worker@4 at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:2619 Useless without a recipe. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 15 17:21:22 2013 Received: (at 13968) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Mar 2013 21:21:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56819 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGc40-0008Cw-Ca for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:21:21 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:55151) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGc3x-0008Cg-PJ for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:21:18 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MJQ00700063YK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:19:52 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MJQ007U30L3TV60@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:19:52 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:19:52 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13968: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt In-reply-to: <837gl84bki.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: drew.adams@oracle.com Message-id: <83620s4ayv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837gl84bki.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13968 Cc: 13968@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 23:06:53 +0200 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 13968@debbugs.gnu.org > > w32_backtrace at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:7727 > emacs_abort at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:7759 > terminate_due_to_signal at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/emacs.c:343 > die at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/alloc.c:6556 > w32_wnd_proc at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:3163 > ?? > ??:0 > ?? > ??:0 > ?? > ??:0 > ?? > ??:0 > w32_msg_pump at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:2493 > w32_msg_worker@4 at C:\Devel\emacs\repo\build\src/w32fns.c:2619 > > Useless without a recipe. Forgot to show where it aborts: form.rcArea.bottom = (WINDOW_BOTTOM_EDGE_Y (w) - WINDOW_MODE_LINE_HEIGHT (w)); It's an assertion violation, but the report doesn't even say what was the text of the assertion message. The above 2 macros could abort in XFRAME, XWINDOW, or XBUFFER. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 15 17:35:44 2013 Received: (at 13968) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Mar 2013 21:35:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGcHv-00007L-0v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:35:43 -0400 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:51586) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGcHt-000079-0J for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:35:41 -0400 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r2FLYFDM024274 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:34:15 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2FLYE9G005605 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Mar 2013 21:34:15 GMT Received: from abhmt107.oracle.com (abhmt107.oracle.com [141.146.116.59]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r2FLYEWU013995; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:34:14 -0500 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.177.137) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:34:14 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" References: <837gl84bki.fsf@gnu.org> <83620s4ayv.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: RE: bug#13968: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:34:09 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <83620s4ayv.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac4hwtdPhO4gU09iTgaLYgLKKTzD+QAANeKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -3.9 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13968 Cc: 13968@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.6 (------) > > Useless without a recipe. > > Forgot to show where it aborts: > > form.rcArea.bottom = (WINDOW_BOTTOM_EDGE_Y (w) > - WINDOW_MODE_LINE_HEIGHT (w)); > > It's an assertion violation, but the report doesn't even say what was > the text of the assertion message. The above 2 macros could abort in > XFRAME, XWINDOW, or XBUFFER. Yes, well there never is a recipe for this kind of thing (but thanks for taking a look)... The crashes I get seem to happen any old time, and each time I send in emacs_backtrace.txt you say it is useless (and I believe you). And I've gotten plenty of crashes, seemingly ever since Emacs Dev starting adding more assertions here and there to the C code. What's the point of adding such assertions and providing backtraces that are apparently useless? That doesn't seem to have accomplished much that is constructive, but it does seem to have increased the number of crashes (just a guess). Anyway, multiple reports of crashes (by me and others) have not prevented Emacs 24.2 or 24.3 from being released. FWIW, before Emacs 24 I rarely had an Emacs crash. The C code seems to be a bit flaky now. There seems to be a lot of C development since Emacs 24.1, and perhaps there is not as much in the way of fixing problems that get introduced along the way. Not an informed judgment, just one, naive impression. I'm not faulting you, Eli, and I do appreciate your taking a look at the bug reports. Just mentioning that in my naive view, Emacs seems less stable than before, on the C side. Presumably such assertions are turned off when Emacs is released (?), so releases should crash less, at least. I tend to use trunk builds, so perhaps I underestimate the release stability in this regard. As you hint above, perhaps the assertions can be refined, so the backtraces produced become more informative. I will continue to report them, unless you say it's not worth the trouble in general. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Mar 16 03:19:03 2013 Received: (at 13968) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2013 07:19:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57108 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGlOQ-0005jY-AL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:19:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:34583) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UGlOM-0005j1-OG for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 03:19:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MJQ00D00S0CJ600@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13968@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:17:30 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MJQ00DZ4S96I520@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:17:30 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 09:17:31 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13968: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <831ubf4xv8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <837gl84bki.fsf@gnu.org> <83620s4ayv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13968@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:34:09 -0700 > > > > Useless without a recipe. > > > > Forgot to show where it aborts: > > > > form.rcArea.bottom = (WINDOW_BOTTOM_EDGE_Y (w) > > - WINDOW_MODE_LINE_HEIGHT (w)); > > > > It's an assertion violation, but the report doesn't even say what was > > the text of the assertion message. The above 2 macros could abort in > > XFRAME, XWINDOW, or XBUFFER. > > Yes, well there never is a recipe for this kind of thing [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4884] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13968 Cc: 13968@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13968@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:34:09 -0700 > > > > Useless without a recipe. > > > > Forgot to show where it aborts: > > > > form.rcArea.bottom = (WINDOW_BOTTOM_EDGE_Y (w) > > - WINDOW_MODE_LINE_HEIGHT (w)); > > > > It's an assertion violation, but the report doesn't even say what was > > the text of the assertion message. The above 2 macros could abort in > > XFRAME, XWINDOW, or XBUFFER. > > Yes, well there never is a recipe for this kind of thing As I probably already said, they are probably related to your heavy use of separate and minibuffer-less frames. But this conclusion is not instrumental to fixing those aborts, without a clear recipe to reproduce a similar problem and/or without the ability to look around when the abort does happen. I urge you (again) to run Emacs from GDB and leave the GDB session running long enough for us to ask you to investigate after the abort. > What's the point of adding such assertions and providing backtraces that are > apparently useless? The assertions are not specific to the aborts you experience. They are part of C macros, such as XWINDOW and XBUFFER, which extract C data structures from a Lisp object. These macros are used all over the code. > Anyway, multiple reports of crashes (by me and others) have not prevented Emacs > 24.2 or 24.3 from being released. In a release version, these assertions are not compiled into the binary. > FWIW, before Emacs 24 I rarely had an Emacs crash. Probably because pretest and snapshot binaries before that were not compiled with these assertions. > Presumably such assertions are turned off when Emacs is released (?) Yes. > As you hint above, perhaps the assertions can be refined, so the backtraces > produced become more informative. I will continue to report them, unless you > say it's not worth the trouble in general. Please continue reporting them. However, it will be much more useful if you could let us investigate by using GDB. 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