From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:34:45 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1394 <1394@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1394 <1394@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: `kbd' is wasteful Reply-To: bug#1394 <1394@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 08:34:45 +0000 retitle 1394 `kbd' is wasteful reassign 1394 emacs submitter 1394 rms@gnu.org severity 1394 minor tag 1394 wontfix thanks From rgm@gnu.org Thu Nov 20 12:23:30 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at quiet) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Nov 2008 20:23:30 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAKKNRsi032551 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:23:28 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L3G3Y-0007Hm-AD for quiet@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Thu, 20 Nov 2008 15:23:16 -0500 From: Richard Stallman To: quiet@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: `kbd' is wasteful Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:12 -0500 Lines: 6 X-From-Line: emacs-devel-bounces+rgm=gnu.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 29 14:56:25 2008 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JVBLF-0001I8-Ee for rgm@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:56:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVBLC-0006FB-BS for rgm@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:56:25 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVBLC-0006Ez-3r for rgm@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JVBLC-0000cT-5W for rgm@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:56:22 -0500 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JVBJC-00071p-2Y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:18 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JVBJ8-0006xG-Ad for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:17 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JVBJ7-0006wt-VN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:14 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JVBJ7-0005aF-AL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:13 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JVBJ6-0000sF-U1; Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:12 -0500 X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+rgm=gnu.org@gnu.org X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: Glenn Morris Severity: minor [ resent from http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg03001.html ] `kbd' is preloaded, but using it causes loading of `edmacro.el'. If `kbd' is going to be common, everything it needs should be in subr.el. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 17:46:59 2011 Received: (at 1394) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 21:46:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QewPS-0004hE-MX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:46:58 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QewPO-0004gg-RK for 1394@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 17:46:56 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QewPD-0002GQ-JL; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:46:43 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: `kbd' is wasteful In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Fri, 29 Feb 2008 14:54:12 -0500") Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:35:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Nadja's _Body Cage_: "Clinodactyl" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110707:quiet@debbugs.gnu.org::8M6rJVj0juoOUNeP:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001/4y X-Hashcash: 1:23:110707:1394@debbugs.gnu.org::lGPr/HMUKek+sr+U:000000000000000000000000000000000000000005a39 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110707:rms@gnu.org::MJcjRcYB99V4SOyB:000000Gaaa MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QewPD-0002GQ-JL X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310680003.75215@EzMv48Yf6jtvgQmVvd3cvg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1394 Cc: 1394@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Richard Stallman writes: > Severity: minor > > [ resent from > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg03001.html ] > > `kbd' is preloaded, but using it causes loading of `edmacro.el'. > If `kbd' is going to be common, everything it needs should > be in subr.el. I've extracted the bits from edmacro.el into subr.el, just to see how much would have to be copied over. I think it's about 140 lines, leaving edmacro.el with 580 lines. (And the admacro functions would have to be rewritten from cl-macs code to pure Emacs Lisp, since subr.el probably can't require cl.el compile-time.) So I'm not sure it's worth it... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 15 18:16:54 2018 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 22:16:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54691 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7px8-0005Mm-No for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:16:54 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7px6-0005K8-Ft for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:16:52 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7px4-0000pL-3N for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:51 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7pwy-0005uF-Cn for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:44 +0200 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #1394 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:44 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 1394 wontfix close 1394 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 15 18:17:01 2018 Received: (at 1394) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2018 22:17:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54693 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7pxB-0005PQ-V0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:17:01 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:39941) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7px6-0005KE-Jv for 1394@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 15 Apr 2018 18:16:56 -0400 Received: from 46.67.12.60.tmi.telenormobil.no ([46.67.12.60] helo=corrigan) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f7px2-0000hU-Ay; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:52 +0200 Received: from larsi by corrigan with local (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f7pww-0005uB-9a; Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:42 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1394: `kbd' is wasteful References: Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 00:16:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:35:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87tvsc5d4m.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1394 Cc: 1394@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> Severity: minor >> >> [ resent from >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-02/msg03001.html ] >> >> `kbd' is preloaded, but using it causes loading of `edmacro.el'. >> If `kbd' is going to be common, everything it needs should >> be in subr.el. > > I've extracted the bits from edmacro.el into subr.el, just to see how > much would have to be copied over. I think it's about 140 lines, > leaving edmacro.el with 580 lines. (And the admacro functions would > have to be rewritten from cl-macs code to pure Emacs Lisp, since subr.el > probably can't require cl.el compile-time.) > > So I'm not sure it's worth it... So I'm closing this bug report as WONTFIX. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:34:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator