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24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max

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From: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2; Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:19:33 +0100

- Write some text into a buffer
- Create this overlay:

    (let ((o (make-overlay (point-max) (point-max) nil t t))
          (s "There's\na multiline\nstring here"))
      (set-text-properties 0 (length s)
       `(face (:foreground ,(format "#%02x%02x%02x" 90 90 90))) s)
      (overlay-put o 'priority 100)
      (overlay-put o 'after-string s))

    ;; the text-properties aren't important, it's just there to
    ;; separate the overlay visually.
      
- Go to point-max.
- Type something.

Notice that the point of insertion is not reflected by the position of
the cursor.

Basically, the cursor is positioned after the after-string of an overlay
at point-max, even if it does not accurately reflect where text is
inserted. If the after-string is large enough, you could be inserting
text outside the screen and not know about it.

I am trying to use this so that I can display some extra information
after contents of the buffer. However, it gets mighty annoying when the
cursor is placed after all the second-order information I am displaying
there.

Maybe the placement of the cursor should depend on the the value of
rear-advance?

- Magnar


In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin10.8.0, NS apple-appkit-1038.36)
 of 2012-09-04 on fi-bp-202.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
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line-move-visual: Beginning of buffer [2 times]
#("There's
a multiline
string here" 0 31 (face (:foreground "#5a5a5a")))
er/mark-outside-pairs
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a multiline
string here" 0 31 (face (:foreground "#5a5a5a")))
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Message #8 received at 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2;
	Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 23:20:13 +0200

> From: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 20:19:33 +0100
> 
> - Write some text into a buffer
> - Create this overlay:
> 
>     (let ((o (make-overlay (point-max) (point-max) nil t t))
>           (s "There's\na multiline\nstring here"))
>       (set-text-properties 0 (length s)
>        `(face (:foreground ,(format "#%02x%02x%02x" 90 90 90))) s)
>       (overlay-put o 'priority 100)
>       (overlay-put o 'after-string s))
> 
>     ;; the text-properties aren't important, it's just there to
>     ;; separate the overlay visually.
>       
> - Go to point-max.
> - Type something.
> 
> Notice that the point of insertion is not reflected by the position of
> the cursor.
> 
> Basically, the cursor is positioned after the after-string of an overlay
> at point-max, even if it does not accurately reflect where text is
> inserted. If the after-string is large enough, you could be inserting
> text outside the screen and not know about it.

Emacs always behaved like that with after-string display.

> I am trying to use this so that I can display some extra information
> after contents of the buffer. However, it gets mighty annoying when the
> cursor is placed after all the second-order information I am displaying
> there.
> 
> Maybe the placement of the cursor should depend on the the value of
> rear-advance?

Try this (note the marked line I added):

    (let ((o (make-overlay (point-max) (point-max) nil t t))
          (s "There's\na multiline\nstring here"))
      (set-text-properties 0 (length s)
       `(face (:foreground ,(format "#%02x%02x%02x" 90 90 90))) s)
      (put-text-property 0 1 'cursor t s)  ;;; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
      (overlay-put o 'priority 100)
      (overlay-put o 'after-string s))

IOW, when Emacs is too dumb to put the cursor where you want, you can
guide it with the 'cursor' text property.

Message #11 received at 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
To: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2;
	Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:31:30 +0100

Eli Zaretskii writes:

> IOW, when Emacs is too dumb to put the cursor where you want, you can
> guide it with the 'cursor' text property.

Thanks Eli, this solved my problem.

> Emacs always behaved like that with after-string display.

Normally I'd say that something always having been like that, is not a
good argument against fixing unintuitive and buggy behavior. However, in
the case of Emacs and its exceedingly large code base and dependents, I
see greater value in backwards compatibility.

- Magnar

Message #16 received at 13863-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 13863-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2;
	Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 22:19:23 +0200

> From: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 20:31:30 +0100
> 
> > IOW, when Emacs is too dumb to put the cursor where you want, you can
> > guide it with the 'cursor' text property.
> 
> Thanks Eli, this solved my problem.
> 
> > Emacs always behaved like that with after-string display.
> 
> Normally I'd say that something always having been like that, is not a
> good argument against fixing unintuitive and buggy behavior. However, in
> the case of Emacs and its exceedingly large code base and dependents, I
> see greater value in backwards compatibility.

I meant that after-string display was explicitly coded this way since
day one.  IOW, it's not a regression.

I will close the bug, then.

Message #19 received at 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Magnar Sveen <magnars <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2;
	Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:43:07 -0500

> Normally I'd say that something always having been like that, is not a
> good argument against fixing unintuitive and buggy behavior.  However, in
> the case of Emacs and its exceedingly large code base and dependents, I
> see greater value in backwards compatibility.

Actually, I don't think backward compatibility is a big issue in this
case.  The more real problem is that it's difficult to fix: IIRC last
time I looked at this code, at the point where the cursor is displayed,
we don't have easy access to the needed info (we have access to the
sequence of displayed chars, and their provenance, but their provenance
only says "this (after) string" without any reference to the
corresponding overlay).


        Stefan

Message #22 received at 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: magnars <at> gmail.com, 13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13863: 24.2;
	Cursor position after after-string on overlay at point-max
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:37:21 +0200

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  13863 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:43:07 -0500
> 
> Actually, I don't think backward compatibility is a big issue in this
> case.  The more real problem is that it's difficult to fix: IIRC last
> time I looked at this code, at the point where the cursor is displayed,
> we don't have easy access to the needed info (we have access to the
> sequence of displayed chars, and their provenance, but their provenance
> only says "this (after) string" without any reference to the
> corresponding overlay).

That is correct.

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