From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:09:41 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13788 <13788@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13788 <13788@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations Reply-To: bug#13788 <13788@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 11:09:41 +0000 retitle 13788 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations reassign 13788 emacs submitter 13788 Andreas R=C3=B6hler severity 13788 wishlist tag 13788 notabug wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 13:23:23 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 18:23:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xHH-00059b-Bm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:23:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xHE-00059S-Fd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:23:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFq-00074J-2S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:56 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, TRACKER_ID,USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:32995) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFp-00074E-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36887) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFj-0001Op-Ik for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFa-0006zJ-OU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:47 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]:56827) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xFa-0006yv-DS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:21:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4db9e7eb.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.231.235]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MWhPH-1UNYFP0sAt-00Y0w0; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:36 +0100 Message-ID: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:f1CQRt9oJ5as5CLWj2pLk8hh28eOBM4dj8z/ocIkfwB 2q6c0wICtdEPmYgr5l0Rrq2AANTkyUhSGGrw3KgYeE4aq8jlmn GLkg44aE21jMtDPq4bMSnN/AEMmL5UwQU+wU/6wXAxlGBk4BLR jaoJmuRhbxiujwZCEH/nnAz5ucQ72r2BMxpxP+OPY8wwu/HcH9 PwB0/hh/nzjjZZQEiFXzmVVXAheCOMYXmBOrAEpNGiinQqqJsa iByRmpDisMTbf+PkXORuVlYDBzKM1jAPAqDee44F5UnjHSKIUT /XAjoEwMHMrXhHY6ElxBQnhL8KEvIVojoQoKEHzDBqOH+hZl/K N5RMDTtXTivwak2guhseglOxPopy85E/n2nXHc12d X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) Customization of report-emacs-bug-no-explanations seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it. Being in favor of dropping this section and all other auto-inserts, keeping it in info etc. only GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.14) of 2013-02-21 Configured using: `configure CFLAGS='-g -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls'' Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x r e p o r t - e a c m a c s - c u b u g Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr emacsbug message format-spec rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 13:25:42 2013 Received: (at 13788-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 18:25:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xJW-0005DZ-8F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:25:42 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:46634) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xJV-0005DT-7c for 13788-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:25:41 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U8xI9-0004Zy-5o; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:24:17 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 13788-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> X-Spook: Fortezza hackers LABLINK Dateline Tony Blair ammunition X-Ran: nJx'_FPUR~@KTM]bLrE|/=#1Xa]QY=Sd-ESVeBe=b8,Qh|m<;L%PvSD|oF~af&AO#J~qkU X-Hue: black X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:24:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> ("Andreas =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= =?utf-8?Q?=22's?= message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100") Message-ID: <4pk3q0nr5a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Andreas R=C3=B6hler wrote: > Customization of > > report-emacs-bug-no-explanations > > seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it. You don't need to report bugs from emacs -Q. You need to try and reproduce them from emacs -Q, is all. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 15:06:22 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 20:06:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44686 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8ysv-0007cf-Ni for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:06:22 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:49942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U8yss-0007cR-64 for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:06:19 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIN00D000WK0500@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:04:52 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIN00B0E144YLZ0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:04:52 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:04:47 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations In-reply-to: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> To: Andreas =?iso-8859-15?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100 > From: Andreas Röhler > > Customization of > > report-emacs-bug-no-explanations > > seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it. Emacs bugs are supposed to be reported from the same session that discovered the bugs, which is rarely "emacs -Q". 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Emacs bugs are supposed to be reported from the same session that discovered the bugs, which is rarely "emacs -Q". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 16:29:03 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 21:29:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U90Av-00017g-Bl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:29:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U90At-00017W-Vk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:29:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U909R-0005M9-HF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:27:35 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U909R-0005M4-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:27:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37488) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U909O-00073c-BR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:27:29 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U909J-0005Jc-66 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:27:26 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]:59114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U909I-0005JK-Sp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:27:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4db9e7eb.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.231.235]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Mgltb-1UT1jU2xAF-00O0Ky; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:19 +0100 Message-ID: <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:XqqgJzGKpmvnU7c1Z1VreaJSwEdubsoexA0HUnVOpHw 93SIMhO4bYM1IValQ+ADx2anLSv19aWho+2Wy1IXljg64qWy5a dpVWNHDgr5YdcVowLbfSPvbXfGLjdecoBP7MBKK0VvZFh2p34b 2tGCVSTWQamsJDXGzvm7k/8Rh9OKsj8UdA+G9AeN2i+ZcHYV3f 7z7qEjTlxxPQ54g3fikr/9mGXIUOUUJ0rKwzMdSNip/loqudqX JdgSoXjx11rc84kCtLaFAdqPPZsLwlmuXdz6QlGAQco6stwJhG FNwRvh83cdSLdVT+mWC22AO5xFmvP087wDhbQyvhf2zfk+jaKl Bftndbh0/jJZsZhC/69IEqFtija8HU41DmylOJHvV X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Am 22.02.2013 21:04, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> Customization of >> >> report-emacs-bug-no-explanations >> >> seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it. > > Emacs bugs are supposed to be reported from the same session that > discovered the bugs, which is rarely "emacs -Q". > > > > > Then exists a doku bug, it's told Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': ;;;; From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 16:48:18 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2013 21:48:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U90TZ-0001cH-W2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:48:18 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:47736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U90TY-0001c9-3N for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 16:48:16 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIN008005NH8U00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:46:50 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIN008OM5U28N10@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:46:50 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:46:44 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations In-reply-to: <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> To: Andreas =?iso-8859-15?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100 > From: Andreas R=F6hler >=20 > Then exists a doku bug, it's told >=20 > Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and > the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe > starting from `emacs -Q': It's not a bug. It is easier to debug a problem if it can be reproduced starting with "emacs -Q". But there's no requirement to report the bug (with the recipe) from "emacs -Q". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 02:33:37 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 07:33:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U99c1-00080h-4Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:33:37 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]:52068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U99bx-00080Y-Ts for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 02:33:35 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4dbc70f2.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.112.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MPItE-1UDXIh2Vm4-004d6Z; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:03 +0100 Message-ID: <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:in7FooEQMxUUHdqQ4+p3ULG1IAM8Wkw4xCOPZEYSuZ4 ZnsbP+PLMtg6Z+Qn3kw25C0rkBpi4JmkrI/LvMhSp4bsVDc+E4 qaGPg/f/Ku8dlBEZMnlnQ8NBfHdnrrEKYj69W96YuUESXJufDQ w1sLQkgydEzGss+iSfJsbubvons/8hv8D/FpEdT4TdgNhavuW9 JoqiIYSupLbKZAtJswUV4iTVkeycV16H1GJjQDbTmICHOvrmRR DEubP7x0gWLrX3DRUhUlpG1CJAVTb0YLFwnQDebGt7iJMgZq5I baEDedCeVME8QqHFuN35JSJhXQt0JzHHTo4RSXQfftu/+9l0So xJ60V1hYRr+d7JQV5tkZg0zBxD93cRLXhPHhgkckH X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Am 22.02.2013 22:46, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> Then exists a doku bug, it's told >> >> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and >> the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe >> starting from `emacs -Q': > > It's not a bug. It is easier to debug a problem if it can be > reproduced starting with "emacs -Q". But there's no requirement to > report the bug (with the recipe) from "emacs -Q". > > Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with directives useless for the receiver. Better not to insert that into the report, but open a help-buffer, when reporting starts. Plus an option to disable that help-buffer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 05:38:31 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 10:38:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9CUt-0003fU-VI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:38:31 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:39834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9CUo-0003fI-US for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 05:38:26 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIO001004XBHA00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:27:50 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIO001XO52D9Q50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:27:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:27:36 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations In-reply-to: <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> To: Andreas =?iso-8859-15?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100 > From: Andreas R=F6hler > CC: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with di= rectives useless for the receiver. They are not useless for me, when I'm the receiver. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 08:20:17 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 13:20:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45264 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9F1V-0008FH-Ht for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:20:17 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.8]:57526) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9F1T-0008F8-9O for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:20:16 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4dbc70f2.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.112.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LhNMu-1Udx6S2mCO-00mvjm; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:18:45 +0100 Message-ID: <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Q0p3b6IXYERb4v0d4fLFLU32bBvMNclcFXs2okEgLNa 05bWxd2GBP9jHs2c4ZsnCZF70ew+orBDdf7BMVpYpdLt/Ip+pX COP1ntRyhET1livfLJU9GDozU8CL82973XXMYOdRM1RPF/6Ijt uicK0f0TKqIaLM+ulQSE1v14rcFooAGNEWe6IpsPQJ7frIn9ZF OfvcKjG3vTIT6mVV+tCGbkeKdGP9K4z2NRylkxGyUeOHtTGPws SBwMyikh3UnU6PcTey1iIZzyfdP6/G6SuISh3u5Z5KNs1lSoqf 5TxsMZJL/SdRxxzc5ZkH6JZfiD0Jjwgm+Vgf4cVf5I4RiYeFZw jJRyyQ8bXfoah7JjZcZrH6nY8qZ02b6f484VyZpot X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Am 23.02.2013 11:27, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> CC: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with directives useless for the receiver. > > They are not useless for me, when I'm the receiver. > So let's consider a typical beginning of a bug report when sent not by a core developer, let's take bug#13787. It starts: This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators for other languages. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': ;;;;;;; You really mean that kind of info is useful for you? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 09:53:21 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 14:53:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45332 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9GTZ-0001tW-67 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:53:21 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:60577) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9GTX-0001tO-6T for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 09:53:20 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIO00C00H1DNQ00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:51:49 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIO00C1PHACJJ60@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:51:49 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:51:36 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations In-reply-to: <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> To: Andreas =?iso-8859-15?Q?R=F6hler?= Message-id: <838v6fkrrb.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100 > From: Andreas R=F6hler > CC: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list > and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that > the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up > to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. >=20 > Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers > usually do not have translators for other languages. >=20 > Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and > the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe > starting from `emacs -Q': >=20 > ;;;;;;; >=20 > You really mean that kind of info is useful for you? Yes. It tells me that the person who reports the bug didn't censor her report in any way. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 11:46:12 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 16:46:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9IEl-0004Wh-9K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:46:12 -0500 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9]:50822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9IEg-0004WV-7T for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:46:09 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4dbc70f2.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.112.242]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MLfvf-1UA7QO2nQ3-000qth; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:44:35 +0100 Message-ID: <5128F20B.8070308@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:44:59 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> <838v6fkrrb.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <838v6fkrrb.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:mpRAs0KIMXO6oGIMw995GN7dCpX+B5Yid9rkjYz8Kwc WzxHBnN/8GjiUMG+Se1/X/GpHQ6BMIm92PY6NAxN8z+V+NeFiR 1/G2rKzlrXs8wkqz9PQfP8qn8RBn6JfVlsaZgIIGyeKrikBkEe RYQ/sdHEIQOVB7Axpk1T2TR+o/SZiEAmwQgZwxiRJFFn7mtHoX +x6tjcjp0Ly5UnWV7JWC5iMwJS1vDyzue/PwmUtWmllqEx8Pa/ k4jZuawXYXEq+WBKW2pmX6hUkL3xS4n7ZeSQ2VBXKouhiKXgDW ESsT9hDcFj7gqVWn+bcbiNvMFi5iNK53z/zPoeYDoDzrSbfx3G hfyLyMmcL6xz3AU73nkj9AgQG1InsD2BvusWnvktl X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Am 23.02.2013 15:51, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> CC: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list >> and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that >> the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up >> to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. >> >> Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers >> usually do not have translators for other languages. >> >> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and >> the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe >> starting from `emacs -Q': >> >> ;;;;;;; >> >> You really mean that kind of info is useful for you? > > Yes. It tells me that the person who reports the bug didn't censor > her report in any way. > And you are not afraid making her look somehow foolish that way? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 12:02:52 2013 Received: (at 13788) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 17:02:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9IUt-0004ut-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:02:52 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:55936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9IUr-0004un-Tg for 13788@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:02:50 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFsoXXp/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYYCwULCxUfEhQYDSSIHgbBLY0Pg3sDiGGOSI1RgV6DFYFR X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFsoXXp/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYYCwULCxUfEhQYDSSIHgbBLY0Pg3sDiGGOSI1RgV6DFYFR X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="2040198" Received: from 108-161-117-233.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.161.117.233]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 23 Feb 2013 12:01:19 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 23D886BD82; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=F6hler?= Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations Message-ID: References: <5127B741.5030901@online.de> <831uc8m7xc.fsf@gnu.org> <5127E2CE.6010602@easy-emacs.de> <83sj4okomz.fsf@gnu.org> <5128708B.80705@easy-emacs.de> <83d2vrl3zb.fsf@gnu.org> <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:01:20 -0500 In-Reply-To: <5128C1C8.4050507@easy-emacs.de> ("Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?R?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=F6hler=22's?= message of "Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13788 Cc: 13788@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list > and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org. Please check that > the From: line contains a valid email address. After a delay of up > to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address. > Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers > usually do not have translators for other languages. > Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and > the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe > starting from `emacs -Q': This text is not part of the bug-report buffer any more. I changed it a few months ago, it's now in a display property, so while you see it, it's not really there: it won't be in the sent email, and it won't be present if you copy&paste the text either. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:09:41 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 11:24:03 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator