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24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> online.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug; report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100

Customization of

report-emacs-bug-no-explanations

seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it.

Being in favor of dropping this section and all other auto-inserts, keeping it in info etc. only

GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.14) of 2013-02-21
Configured using:
 `configure CFLAGS='-g -O2 -fno-optimize-sibling-calls''

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Message #10 received at 13788-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 13788-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:24:17 -0500

Andreas Röhler wrote:

> Customization of
>
> report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
>
> seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it.

You don't need to report bugs from emacs -Q.
You need to try and reproduce them from emacs -Q, is all.

Message #13 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> online.de>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:04:47 +0200

> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> online.de>
> 
> Customization of
> 
> report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
> 
> seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it.

Emacs bugs are supposed to be reported from the same session that
discovered the bugs, which is rarely "emacs -Q".

Message #16 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100

Am 22.02.2013 21:04, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 19:21:53 +0100
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> online.de>
>>
>> Customization of
>>
>> report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
>>
>> seems pointless, as emacs -Q will ignore it.
>
> Emacs bugs are supposed to be reported from the same session that
> discovered the bugs, which is rarely "emacs -Q".
>
>
>
>
>

Then exists a doku bug, it's told

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':

;;;;

Message #19 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 23:46:44 +0200

> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> 
> Then exists a doku bug, it's told
> 
> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
> the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
> starting from `emacs -Q':

It's not a bug.  It is easier to debug a problem if it can be
reproduced starting with "emacs -Q".  But there's no requirement to
report the bug (with the recipe) from "emacs -Q".

Message #22 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100

Am 22.02.2013 22:46, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:27:42 +0100
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
>>
>> Then exists a doku bug, it's told
>>
>> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
>> the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
>> starting from `emacs -Q':
>
> It's not a bug.  It is easier to debug a problem if it can be
> reproduced starting with "emacs -Q".  But there's no requirement to
> report the bug (with the recipe) from "emacs -Q".
>
>

Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with directives useless for the receiver.
Better not to insert that into the report, but open a help-buffer, when reporting starts.
Plus an option to disable that help-buffer.

Message #25 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:27:36 +0200

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> CC: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with directives useless for the receiver.

They are not useless for me, when I'm the receiver.

Message #28 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100

Am 23.02.2013 11:27, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 08:32:27 +0100
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
>> CC: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> Well, the point is: present implementation clutters reports with directives useless for the receiver.
>
> They are not useless for me, when I'm the receiver.
>

So let's consider a typical beginning of a bug report when sent not by a core developer,
let's take bug#13787. It starts:

This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list
and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org.  Please check that
the From: line contains a valid email address.  After a delay of up
to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address.

Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
usually do not have translators for other languages.

Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
starting from `emacs -Q':

;;;;;;;

You really mean that kind of info is useful for you?

Message #31 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 16:51:36 +0200

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100
> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
> CC: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list
> and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org.  Please check that
> the From: line contains a valid email address.  After a delay of up
> to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address.
> 
> Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
> usually do not have translators for other languages.
> 
> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
> the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
> starting from `emacs -Q':
> 
> ;;;;;;;
> 
> You really mean that kind of info is useful for you?

Yes.  It tells me that the person who reports the bug didn't censor
her report in any way.

Message #34 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 17:44:59 +0100

Am 23.02.2013 15:51, schrieb Eli Zaretskii:
>> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:19:04 +0100
>> From: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
>> CC: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list
>> and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org.  Please check that
>> the From: line contains a valid email address.  After a delay of up
>> to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address.
>>
>> Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
>> usually do not have translators for other languages.
>>
>> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
>> the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
>> starting from `emacs -Q':
>>
>> ;;;;;;;
>>
>> You really mean that kind of info is useful for you?
>
> Yes.  It tells me that the person who reports the bug didn't censor
> her report in any way.
>

And you are not afraid making her look somehow foolish that way?

Message #37 received at 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Andreas Röhler <andreas.roehler <at> easy-emacs.de>
Cc: 13788 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13788: 24.3.50; report-emacs-bug;
	report-emacs-bug-no-explanations
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 12:01:20 -0500

> This bug report will be sent to the Bug-GNU-Emacs mailing list
> and the GNU bug tracker at debbugs.gnu.org.  Please check that
> the From: line contains a valid email address.  After a delay of up
> to one day, you should receive an acknowledgement at that address.

> Please write in English if possible, as the Emacs maintainers
> usually do not have translators for other languages.

> Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug, and
> the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give a recipe
> starting from `emacs -Q':

This text is not part of the bug-report buffer any more.  I changed it
a few months ago, it's now in a display property, so while you see it,
it's not really there: it won't be in the sent email, and it won't be
present if you copy&paste the text either.


        Stefan

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