From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:10:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1375 <1375@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1375 <1375@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Special Properties Reply-To: bug#1375 <1375@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:10:02 +0000 retitle 1375 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Special Properties reassign 1375 emacs submitter 1375 "Drew Adams" severity 1375 minor tag 1375 fixed thanks From drew.adams@oracle.com Tue Nov 18 22:55:47 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Nov 2008 06:55:47 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAJ6tiwH031750 for ; Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:45 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:39124) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L2gyN-00044i-OG for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:55:35 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L2gyV-0004zi-2S for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:55:43 -0500 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:22926) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L2gyU-0004z3-Jv for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:55:42 -0500 Received: from rgminet15.oracle.com (rcsinet15.oracle.com [148.87.113.117]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAJ6tNuE002785 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:55:24 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by rgminet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAJ6tbk5022713 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:55:38 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.52.6) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:55:31 +0000 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Special Properties Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:37 -0800 Message-ID: <000001c94a13$d4734d10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclKE9QKj0HuZknsRwOD+TiX/KhRzg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090203.4923B865.013F:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) The text says this: In the simplest case, the value is a face name. It can also be a list; then each element can be any of these possibilities; * A face name (a symbol or string). * A property list of face attributes. This has the form (KEYWORD VALUE ...), where each KEYWORD is a face attribute name and VALUE is a meaningful value for that attribute. With this feature, you do not need to create a face each time you want to specify a particular attribute for certain text. *Note Face Attributes::. * A cons cell with the form `(foreground-color . COLOR-NAME)' or `(background-color . COLOR-NAME)'. These are older, deprecated equivalents for `(:foreground COLOR-NAME)' and `(:background COLOR-NAME)'. Please convert code that uses them. It works to use the latter two forms directly as the value of the `face' property. The "latter two forms" in the last sentence seems to refer to the last two bullets. Is that right? And the first sentence above seems to refer to the first bullet, no? If so, then the last sentence and the first sentence together say that the `face' property can have any of the bullets as its value, no? If so, then all of this together says that a `face' property value can be any of the bullets or a list of any of the bullets. Isn't that right? If so, then that's what we should say, directly. The current text is a bit confusing. We start off saying it can be a face name or a list of any of the bullets. Then we end by (I think) saying that it can also be either of the last two bullets. But we already said it could be a face name (the first bullet). Unless there is some careful distinction being made here between the statement that it could be a face name (not described) or a face name which is a string or a symbol. I don't think that's the case, however. If it is, then that needs to be explained. Maybe it's just late and I'm misreading this and missing something, but it seems overly complicated for (what I think) it's saying. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-08 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From rgm@gnu.org Wed Nov 4 14:01:42 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 4 Nov 2009 22:01:42 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nA4M1e7A002782 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2009 14:01:42 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N5nv9-0000E4-Ub; Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19185.63939.653937.427902@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 17:01:39 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control severity 3631 minor severity 3267 minor reassign 3267 emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com severity 3481 minor severity 3644 minor severity 3722 wishlist severity 4360 minor tags 3613 wontfix tags 2134 = severity 4731 minor severity 3849 wishlist close 3564 merge 4668 3227 tags 2792 wontfix minor severity 4433 minor severity 4668 minor severity 4562 minor severity 3934 minor severity 3856 minor severity 3801 minor severity 3615 minor severity 3599 minor severity 3598 minor severity 3575 minor severity 3566 minor severity 3550 minor severity 3549 minor severity 3527 minor severity 3525 minor severity 3524 minor severity 3523 minor severity 3519 minor severity 3509 minor severity 3503 minor severity 3393 minor severity 3371 minor severity 3320 minor severity 3313 minor severity 3249 minor severity 3227 minor severity 3138 minor severity 3135 minor severity 3137 minor severity 3052 minor severity 3042 minor severity 2974 minor severity 2946 minor severity 2792 minor severity 1749 minor severity 1375 minor severity 1144 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 16:39:41 2011 Received: (at 1375) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 20:39:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevML-0000xP-6v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:39:41 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevMJ-0000x9-Ns for 1375@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:39:40 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QevM4-0001PB-Mj; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:39:24 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.0.60; Elisp manual node Special Properties In-Reply-To: <000001c94a13$d4734d10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:55:37 -0800") Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:39:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: <000001c94a13$d4734d10$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Bill Wells & Stefan Schneider's _Pianotapes_: "PNTPS 5" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110707:1375@debbugs.gnu.org::bjS4OkfrBYn+iBUB:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000AykL X-Hashcash: 1:23:110707:drew.adams@oracle.com::u/nMVZdDjXkX69rU:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000CS1p MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QevM4-0001PB-Mj X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310675965.18026@1hxiunusNJVNFJwrIMyRfg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 1375 Cc: 1375@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > > In the simplest case, the value is a face name. It can also be a > list; then each element can be any of these possibilities; > > * A face name (a symbol or string). > > * A property list of face attributes. This has the form > (KEYWORD VALUE ...), where each KEYWORD is a face attribute > name and VALUE is a meaningful value for that attribute. > With this feature, you do not need to create a face each time > you want to specify a particular attribute for certain text. > *Note Face Attributes::. > > * A cons cell with the form `(foreground-color . COLOR-NAME)' > or `(background-color . COLOR-NAME)'. These are older, > deprecated equivalents for `(:foreground COLOR-NAME)' and > `(:background COLOR-NAME)'. Please convert code that uses > them. > > It works to use the latter two forms directly as the value of the > `face' property. > > The "latter two forms" in the last sentence seems to refer to the last > two bullets. Is that right? And the first sentence above seems to > refer to the first bullet, no? Yes, that's not very clear. The documentation has changed in the mean time -- the third item has been dropped. But it still remained less clear than it could have been, so I've rewritten it slightly now. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 16:39:31 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 20:39:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevMA-0000wy-RI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:39:31 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevM7-0000we-Sk for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:39:28 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QevLw-0001Ov-7b for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:39:16 +0200 Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:39:15 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #1375 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QevLw-0001Ov-7b X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310675956.36354@vnS24CrmxeE6R1uoPDg1jw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 1375 fixed close 1375 24.1 From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:10:02 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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