From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 14:09:56 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2013 19:09:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n90-0005Z5-Ul for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:09:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n8u-0005Yr-4r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:09:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n84-0001hd-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:08:58 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:42590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n84-0001hX-BE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:08:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n81-0003dQ-JG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:08:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n7z-0001gM-20 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:08:53 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.220.42]:38999) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6n7y-0001gH-O9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:08:50 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kq12so2238096pab.15 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:date:message-id:from:to:subject:from:x-attribution; bh=oCmMleJ8nSm4E2HT79r8c8P4L2kkL6Pvd1klwwuGo/Y=; b=VVjdmkczl1z0FhYde42wpioGqslx1/UK85GEXHLnlBcJwCkxIS+qOUxybpHIUfwKv8 IxgoKU8zfLVuxDBf0A76RZ1Z6gJv2qD77TQBwxrBbgd4lmKQsjoh+wIPLXOQl/J11R2K qs61km7iqc08x0Dry8pcgcvKNRbZwmn4EeUgVC0iTvWwTQJ86hsfLJBxDHu1clEzyDvq OcUT2u3AXSJLMGABrcyHG07JCMs/qL/SVTIjRqorLz0ATRNcdWHxou5ADJxWAlr3Czzl o0KaPMtD5odUSXybXld0jLq0o93rGMS9zurQJQo7fuX34iClr19ciZ9KtruJU0cT2fOq DzSA== X-Received: by 10.66.157.100 with SMTP id wl4mr22813824pab.84.1361041729935; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from labrador.google.com (c-71-202-188-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.202.188.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s9sm14549891pav.7.2013.02.16.11.08.48 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:49 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:47 -0800 Message-Id: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> From: raman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails From: "T. V. Raman" x-attribution: tvrReply-to: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Filing this using report-emacs-bug as requested by Glenn. Steps to reproduce: C-h N M-n jumps to the end of the buffer when invoked at the top of t he buffer. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2013-02-15 on labrador System Description: Ubuntu 9.04 Configured using: `configure --prefix=/usr/local' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Outline Minor modes in effect: recentf-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t global-semantic-idle-summary-mode: t global-semanticdb-minor-mode: t semantic-mode: t savehist-mode: t ido-everywhere: t display-time-mode: t auto-insert-mode: t jabber-activity-mode: t outline-minor-mode: t dynamic-completion-mode: t dired-omit-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t global-voice-lock-mode: t voice-lock-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t auto-fill-function: do-auto-fill transient-mark-mode: t view-mode: t Recent input: RET ESC m l e m a TAB - TAB RET C-x o ESC < C-e s ESC < C-e s C-n C-e e ESC b C-e w C-e d 3 C-n C-n C-e ( RET a n TAB C-g C-e ( RET C-e ( a n TAB f TAB RET 1 0 0 , SPC 1 0 0 RET ESC m C-e ( RET C-n C-e m C-x k RET ESC m C-n C-o C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n ESC < C-n C-n o C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-x o C-n C-e m C-n C-n C-s n e w s ESC m C-o C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-e d 3 ESC m C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-p C-p C-p C-e m C-n C-e s C-n C-n C-n C-x o C-n C-p C-o C-h N ESC < ESC x o u t l i n e SPC n e x t SPC v i i ESC DEL v i s i TAB RET C-e l ESC n ESC n ESC [ [ D C-h N ESC n ESC < ESC n C-e C-l ESC m C-n C-n ESC < ESC x r e p o r t SPC e m a TAB b TAB RET Recent messages: Mark saved where search started Getting mail...done Set speech rate to level 3 ad-Advice-signal: End of buffer [2 times] View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. You can run the command `outline-next-visible-heading' with meta n Note: file is write protected View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. Line 2691 ad-Advice-signal: End of buffer [2 times] Load-path shadows: /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/ess-20130119.1705/.dir-locals hides /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/kill-ring-search-20110605.1744/.dir-locals /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/ess-20130119.1705/.dir-locals hides /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/magit-20130123.1617/.dir-locals /home/raman/emacs/lisp/site-lisp/gm/g-utils hides /home/raman/emacs/lisp/emacspeak/lisp/g-client/g-utils /home/raman/emacs/lisp/site-lisp/vm/lisp/tapestry hides /home/raman/emacs/lisp/emacspeak/lisp/tapestry /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/fold-dwim-20120926.1236/fold-dwim hides /home/raman/emacs/lisp/site-lisp/fold-dwim /home/raman/emacs/lisp/emacspeak/lisp/tetris hides /usr/local/share/emacs/24.3.50/lisp/play/tetris /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/ess-20130119.1705/.dir-locals hides /usr/local/share/emacs/24.3.50/lisp/gnus/.dir-locals /home/raman/.emacs.d/elpa/emms-20121219.1939/tq hides /usr/local/share/emacs/24.3.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/tq Features: (shadow emacsbug emacspeak-hide 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emacspeak-dired emacspeak-desktop desktop dired emacspeak-aumix emacspeak-setup emacspeak-dbus nm dbus xml emacspeak-webspace emacspeak-webutils url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util url-parse auth-source eieio gnus-util mm-util mail-prsvr password-cache url-vars mailcap gweb greader browse-url g-auth gfeeds g-utils json derived emacspeak-alsaplayer emacspeak-amark emacspeak-advice vc shell pcomplete comint ring emacspeak-ansi-color ansi-color emacspeak-replace emacspeak-redefine emacspeak-personality emacspeak emacspeak-widget wid-edit emacspeak-facemenu emacspeak-fix-interactive emacspeak-buff-menu g-cus-load cus-load emacspeak-sounds emacspeak-preamble emacspeak-keymap emacspeak-speak time-date emacspeak-pronounce thingatpt dtk-speak flite-voices dtk-interp voice-setup dectalk-voices espeak-voices mac-voices multispeech-voices outloud-voices dtk-unicode byte-opt warnings bytecomp byte-compile cconv descr-text help-mode easymenu dtk-css-speech acss-structure emacspeak-load-path advice help-fns vc-git vc-dispatcher vc-svn cl-macs gv cl nadvice cl-lib tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list newcomment lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev minibuffer loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) -- Best Regards, --raman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 14:32:40 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2013 19:32:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59496 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6nV1-00070J-If for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:32:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53254) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6nUz-00070B-7j for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:32:38 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6nUA-0007KY-SO; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:31:46 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: raman Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spook: USDOJ FSF Aladdin assassination Mahmoud Ahmadinejad War X-Ran: Vx"DsyT#n#7;zVhwRdn|`#z448.j.aC6MJ%~?z'$Fem]rrz-%d|meVx(us>`qH\6+i^EB2 X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 14:31:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> (raman's message of "Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:08:47 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) raman , "T. V. Raman" wrote: > Steps to reproduce: > > C-h N M-n jumps to the end of the buffer when invoked at the top > of t emacs -Q C-h N M-n ; -> M-n is undefined What command do you expect this to run? If outline-next-visible-heading, then it works for me. Perhaps this is due to the advice you seem to have enabled. > ad-Advice-signal: End of buffer [2 times] > View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. > You can run the command `outline-next-visible-heading' with meta n > Note: file is write protected > View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. > Line 2691 > ad-Advice-signal: End of buffer [2 times] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 15:05:49 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2013 20:05:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59522 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6o14-0000Fs-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:05:47 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f42.google.com ([209.85.220.42]:35877) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6o12-0000Fk-1C for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:05:44 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id kq12so2203298pab.1 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:date:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :reply-to:from:x-attribution; bh=MzSCYOQa9gvZ0samFbtfnnb6qQfybUJaMYYaLhtC6vI=; b=oubgtnno79775mvOz3xgZEK/h8qgksU/hiVdxqjLKWNZsCzTU0m2WgRrtcyJH6xJGm 9Oy6CEwcwFXvjT+N2xVEEfgm9gaj42wQhuV8l6FyGNpp8KGWzuRYIGUuKBcsTJTLI1Pr FKa8/8Llqmuf1ir5J0biSDKrjuS18coyhTKKvJbz18u8kxLO9xpMEKSYXbYnZqLabUU6 K82nAsJI5nl9ILCZdeb9gZcWV2D1YNbgeVTWpo8KvLgiCUbJxvsY1l94dggDxizvp3SI MEeQkfRdZ0J58moNBm0PjdLSEirF3AU+9TmLzugmuaqUt3M+hMoMjhZwfUjTt4DrQQf5 uSQg== X-Received: by 10.68.17.104 with SMTP id n8mr622047pbd.18.1361045093495; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from labrador.google.com (c-71-202-188-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.202.188.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xr3sm8882955pbc.46.2013.02.16.12.04.51 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:52 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:46 -0800 To: rgm@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.1 under 24.3.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) From: "T. V. Raman" x-attribution: tvr X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Glenn -- M-n runs outline-visible-next-heading. The advice on signal shouldn't have anything to do with this -- it is there to speak errors etc signalled by signal. I cannot run with the advice disabled -- I wont get any speech. >>>>> "GM" == Glenn Morris writes: GM> raman , "T. V. Raman" wrote: >> Steps to reproduce: >> >> C-h N M-n jumps to the end of the buffer when invoked at >> the top of t GM> GM> emacs -Q C-h N M-n ; -> M-n is undefined GM> GM> What command do you expect this to run? If GM> outline-next-visible-heading, then it works for me. GM> GM> Perhaps this is due to the advice you seem to have GM> enabled. GM> >> ad-Advice-signal: End of buffer [2 times] View mode: type >> C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. You can run the >> command `outline-next-visible-heading' with meta n Note: >> file is write protected View mode: type C-h for help, h >> for commands, q to quit. Line 2691 ad-Advice-signal: End >> of buffer [2 times] -- Best Regards, --raman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 15:19:08 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2013 20:19:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59526 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6oDz-0000YU-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:19:07 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:56877) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6oDt-0000Y0-PN for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 15:19:03 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIB00100XIO6400@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:18:09 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIB0001VXQ9ZLC0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:18:09 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:18:12 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-reply-to: <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com Message-id: <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:46 -0800 > From: "T. V. Raman" > Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org > > > Glenn -- M-n runs outline-visible-next-heading. Not here, it doesn't. I get "undefined", like Glenn. You have a lot of optimal features active, so I guess you see this not in "emacs -Q". outline-next-visible-heading (sic!) is on "C-c C-n", not M-n. If I type "C-c C-n", it does go to the next heading, as expected. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 21:46:50 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2013 02:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6uHC-0003gu-NI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:46:50 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com ([209.85.160.42]:61792) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6uHA-0003gm-Gk for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:46:49 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id xb4so1141104pbc.15 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:date:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :reply-to:from:x-attribution; bh=0AAn/lNzlvDqEVKZZsdx1dz/I3KUO/4fqklcUV0dqK4=; b=MQSOOpGgc6fiB6090P3Awb2PCaDqs+0EpUJ7LlWoIC2hlO9u4yinoJtBbGWtWSa9KC 2TlgMb9HLw/d4sZAdPnfqY7wFqqaZaNrstRSrteoiyE7zEVBfjB6Hl03lV/0qx5ZmwKX Fft1Oy/CBqNV4tbngk5irJop4MpBZGLVQPw/F70RNhBDl/im5pylLc9u6TxGMocuKV2a ObBybNhc1xpdjhkPAC33ocb5W93+EXG+sqfXa/AILDkRficd1EAqB2S6fa2xEIpeGZLC qBQAzRbvr8vGbbBqP4r4CZ23D/GmQ+ftleCqGEXETciXVCk64yexJIx3uPSYs0LoGkKA d0SQ== X-Received: by 10.68.17.104 with SMTP id n8mr2409078pbd.18.1361069156303; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:45:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from labrador.google.com (c-71-202-188-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.202.188.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b9sm9688977pba.6.2013.02.16.18.45.53 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:45:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:45:48 -0800 To: eliz@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.1 under 24.3.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) From: "T. V. Raman" x-attribution: tvr X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org, rgm@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Sadly, C-c C-n -- which also runs the same command outline-next-visible-heading goes straight e to the end of the buffer. >>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:46 -0800 From: "T. V. Raman" >> Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, >> 13731@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> >> Glenn -- M-n runs outline-visible-next-heading. Eli> Eli> Not here, it doesn't. I get "undefined", like Glenn. Eli> Eli> You have a lot of optimal features active, so I guess Eli> you see this not in "emacs -Q". Eli> Eli> outline-next-visible-heading (sic!) is on "C-c C-n", not Eli> M-n. If I type "C-c C-n", it does go to the next Eli> heading, as expected. -- Best Regards, --raman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 21:49:09 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2013 02:49:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59695 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6uJQ-0003lu-LZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:49:08 -0500 Received: from mail-vb0-f54.google.com ([209.85.212.54]:61022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6uJO-0003lm-8P for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 21:49:07 -0500 Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so2936785vba.13 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GvJ8TG2u+YDTfYNdTTQNFa8uMoWN70QXJnKE3d2KR/4=; b=hfNuPV6AmXX5ck1XzCgTahTWfy2al6UrWMnk68oLErqcuewhg5jb+AmoNP1r9ezmVc b5rjkEcS6pO0HkMLY+w7PSOVEJ9fZfOC2vg2nwQKNd+ZAxAd9VxJgzsXlXpvYyPVImFI r3kEVyJs7fqjl69GNhBHBC7bYmbyqXRoONUIPToyBYN3TgCoWmoe60kf/J0N0fHWhdjq q0ksRyGGgJa95jSmmiDgoCNfS7Gk9b24niwKB9qUU8tMythJyJFFcF4CTdPiUeZQ4CHh WnVKFOv+LiV/z0gajcM7M8wV2AKn4wP7RjQLP7c6SjuL/F6eHiu997zuGPqiy5P2fa7i JJYQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.147.69 with SMTP id ti5mr10167077veb.32.1361069294460; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.38.42 with HTTP; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails From: "T.V. Raman" To: eliz@gnu.org, tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, rgm@gnu.org, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) This is definitely something in the packages I'm loading; emacs -q with emacspeak loaded does not exhibit the breakage. -- Best Regards, --raman On 2/16/13, T. V. Raman wrote: > Sadly, C-c C-n -- which also runs the same command > outline-next-visible-heading goes straight e to the end of the buffer. >>>>>> "Eli" == Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 12:04:46 -0800 From: "T. V. Raman" > >> Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, > >> 13731@debbugs.gnu.org > >> > >> > >> Glenn -- M-n runs outline-visible-next-heading. > Eli> > Eli> Not here, it doesn't. I get "undefined", like Glenn. > Eli> > Eli> You have a lot of optimal features active, so I guess > Eli> you see this not in "emacs -Q". > Eli> > Eli> outline-next-visible-heading (sic!) is on "C-c C-n", not > Eli> M-n. If I type "C-c C-n", it does go to the next > Eli> heading, as expected. > > -- > Best Regards, > --raman > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 16 22:50:52 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Feb 2013 03:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59865 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6vHA-0008Fz-7J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:50:52 -0500 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:51640) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6vH6-0008Fp-LP for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2013 22:50:50 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIC00400IBDXV00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:49:54 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIC004Q4IN6SK90@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:49:54 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 05:49:58 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: "T.V. Raman" Message-id: <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 > From: "T.V. Raman" > > This is definitely something in the packages I'm loading; emacs > -q with emacspeak loaded does not exhibit the breakage. Then I suggest to find the package which does that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 18 20:43:48 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 01:43:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35485 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7cFI-0005da-5E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:43:48 -0500 Received: from mail-vc0-f178.google.com ([209.85.220.178]:49062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7cFF-0005dT-IA for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 20:43:46 -0500 Received: by mail-vc0-f178.google.com with SMTP id m8so3931449vcd.23 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type; bh=JGJiIoNylEJu6xZ7psBXcBdNaM8f6d/MDoN4DPm+PLM=; b=Atdj07sBtfpNkrVyc7fnYfDM4amyqNZw+lTetaXEc1gFtb8L6j5x1cbnkrF819WrNQ jRCPOIgWphapv5dAz+qsgI9NQ5DDEvx0mrWjsuA8b1TZo7W3qZB8CIemgds4zYE/IQJd RieLr+iY25TRS99nDfp7F5sIj/EU6fcrf0X47K5RLA1BwBEAl0rtbyoOHB8ylAyadihS vorYthLTH0bAsE1BmMjlWxk9+oK/j15/crUCuZhowahTPucvHJB4DpZIuU6ZNJygDjjc 0NjcuUd7BuD3usE7qT0FVUMuuTbSik6mo3c/l3wCxkkf+w1ihNN3Q6GbbEQA0tyHhiWw 1AfA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.220.215.73 with SMTP id hd9mr18449130vcb.19.1361238162511; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.38.42 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:42:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:42:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails From: "T.V. Raman" To: Eli Zaretskii , rgm@gnu.org, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) I found the cause of the problem, and have a suggestion to avoid shootinng oneself in the foot like this: The problem: outline-regexp is customizable, and its default value had gotten changed in my customization settings at some point. Would be wise for C-h N to set outline-regexp appropriately -- perhaps via a file-local variable in the News file? -- Best Regards, --raman On 2/16/13, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 18:48:14 -0800 >> From: "T.V. Raman" >> >> This is definitely something in the packages I'm loading; emacs >> -q with emacspeak loaded does not exhibit the breakage. > > Then I suggest to find the package which does that. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 11:21:52 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 16:21:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37086 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7pwv-0006qd-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:21:51 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-f182.google.com ([209.85.215.182]:45623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7pwn-0006qP-8i for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:21:44 -0500 Received: by mail-ea0-f182.google.com with SMTP id a12so3103228eaa.13 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:20:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:date:references :user-agent:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=IUP4a+UxL7AzMUHejCoffuHg4VRQ7/4X7zYRgTLHawk=; b=sfjwNf1PiSqpXG1If/6Z0v+Ik2WZqNV9Xid5pvhsxv/2RNaQ3JMTp1fMAjYFxYjKu2 G+bdIsEPHLWHpeVSbf8c3lEFUKW3CA72i5vm2RQCBzh3XjmLePVonUZMnE3ojtbE7ZDz 5nOCHO2Mbc4ZDPzk4M4DWWlXTOWVQ8LaEfESDtL9bDqYV+JaURq3CaqQOLPKqEKZkbNZ fXh7r12S2MoKgs7WxdmzPaQq3Ox3bN31E+vvKyfyYp1VRwvNlcPlWWDOE2+HW+XLfrVT ejXEwLEkZp+wa38olxxiHrFtVrDEEcOWGJSYbU78cv8SNXM3BoVUNaMhYOQB/uqS6MlU 7vZw== X-Received: by 10.14.194.198 with SMTP id m46mr58264678een.8.1361290830355; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:20:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (128-79-136-150.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr. [128.79.136.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o3sm104742828eem.15.2013.02.19.08.20.28 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 08:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D72361C207FC; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:20:23 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien To: "T.V. Raman" Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: (T. V. Raman's message of "Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:42:42 -0800") Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:56:50 +0100 References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Message-ID: <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "T.V. Raman" writes: > outline-regexp is customizable, and its default value had gotten > changed in my customization settings at some point. Would be > wise for C-h N to set outline-regexp appropriately -- perhaps > via a file-local variable in the News file? The docstring of `outline-regexp' says The recommended way to set this is with a Local Variables: list in the file it applies to. So I'd suggest to simply follow the recommendation here. HTH, -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 14:24:40 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 19:24:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37377 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7snt-0003we-H6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:24:39 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:20490) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7snq-0003wV-E4 for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:24:35 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r1JJNPSm011945 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:23:25 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1JJNODQ017525 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:23:25 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r1JJNOpU008561; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 13:23:24 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.138.144) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:23:24 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Bastien'" , "'T.V. Raman'" References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org><20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Subject: RE: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:23:20 -0800 Message-ID: <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Thread-Index: Ac4O0W4xeCmOrAcKQyid/lH6KswrLgAAsi/g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > outline-regexp is customizable, and its default value had gotten > > changed in my customization settings at some point. Would be > > wise for C-h N to set outline-regexp appropriately -- perhaps > > via a file-local variable in the News file? > > The docstring of `outline-regexp' says > The recommended way to set this is with a Local Variables: list in > the file it applies to. > So I'd suggest to simply follow the recommendation here. I'd say that that is a doc bug. This is a _user option_. The recommended way to set (i.e., customize) it should be to use Customize. Users do not necessarily even have a particular file within which using Local Variables would make sense for this. I suggest we remove that recommendation from the doc string. Or we change the status of this variable from a defcustom to a defvar. If you want to say that you recommend that Lisp code that sets the value use Local Variables, that would presumably be OK as far as it goes. But the general idea is that Lisp code should not trample on user option values. And note that nothing else in file outline.el mentions the fact that `outline-regexp' is likely to be buffer-local. It seems that that statement has been in the doc string from the beginning - at least as far back as Emacs 20. I still think it is misguided. The same recommendation appears in (emacs) `Outline Format': You can customize the criterion for distinguishing heading lines by setting the variable `outline-regexp'. (The recommended ways to do this are in a major mode function or with a file local variable.) Any line whose beginning has a match for this regexp is considered a heading line. Matches that start within a line (not at the left margin) do not count. That hardly sounds like the kind of user customization of a defcustom that Emacs recommends in general. Sounds like something to be recommended for a defvar value instead. Just one opinion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 14:35:39 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 19:35:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7syY-0004Cj-EO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:35:39 -0500 Received: from mail-we0-f178.google.com ([74.125.82.178]:63873) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7syV-0004Cb-W3 for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:35:37 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id x48so6312594wey.9 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:34:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=u7vZ6dwpqVz5mC8z1KeuKfDD5iFXYLBNdm/bj/WuxaI=; b=wHo7iZ4j25rIGuHGt/2jaFpinT8wmO+OIMYds7P8+V3rJ0nfUGf2CBbnBhDxuvq5f4 fykC328l8xmYdOQtnBoZJHK7RlbTxodz/rgxfYO5chzfAXAnmEdvB4OI6Hy31ak2nQEi I+MpoSvJ456YkwuzhHp7LJM8eiQrMeZ4jf0nCumSnBF4vaclNYJKqRj/N8N7vkXgaxCl sfQNb+zut1UF0cVMZYAXJt7RHfTyg4ia5Q7h4fN6C9eHnpC+7+eURBkKi7arEhRJ81/b 2/m4hIDt5Ba+iD8/Lzj9anfalVVmDUyJFhTTUHO6Afxf9yrzI7/PmR+4tuDZfN1Mv4kP rmsQ== X-Received: by 10.194.123.130 with SMTP id ma2mr21617025wjb.46.1361302468234; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:34:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain ([78.250.156.133]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ex1sm29756390wib.7.2013.02.19.11.34.25 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:34:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8C4411C20702; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:34:24 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2013 11:23:20 -0800") References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: "'T.V. Raman'" , 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Hi Drew, "Drew Adams" writes: >> > outline-regexp is customizable, and its default value had gotten >> > changed in my customization settings at some point. Would be >> > wise for C-h N to set outline-regexp appropriately -- perhaps >> > via a file-local variable in the News file? >> >> The docstring of `outline-regexp' says >> The recommended way to set this is with a Local Variables: list in >> the file it applies to. >> So I'd suggest to simply follow the recommendation here. > > I'd say that that is a doc bug. > > This is a _user option_. Well, I would say this calls for making it a variable instead of an option. This is what we do for org-outline-regexp for example. -- Bastien From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 15:50:45 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 20:50:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37429 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7u9A-0006rY-2d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:50:42 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7u96-0006rQ-Ta for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 15:50:38 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r1JKnQRY012087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:49:27 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1JKnQ74024779 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:49:26 GMT Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r1JKnQo3005846; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:49:26 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.138.144) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:49:25 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Bastien'" References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org><20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org><87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx><6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Subject: RE: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 12:49:22 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Thread-Index: Ac4O2CNmbYafbSvrSrmhNA8TAWBm2wACdKng X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: "'T.V. Raman'" , 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > > I'd say that that is a doc bug. > > > > This is a _user option_. > > Well, I would say this calls for making it a variable instead of an > option. This is what we do for org-outline-regexp for example. That's what I meant by this: > I suggest we remove that recommendation from the doc string. > Or we change the status of this variable from a defcustom to > a defvar. ^^^^^^ The question comes down to the kinds of "customization" we really expect from users. If we expect that they will want to change the var value globally, then a user option is appropriate. If we expect them to change it using Lisp, and perhaps locally, then a non-option variable is appropriate. And if we expect both possibilities then we can have both: an option and a separate variable. We can decide which takes precedence and document that. Yes, it can be reasonable (IMO, but others might disagree) to allow the non-option var to take precedence, i.e., to allow the user option to be overruled by code, provided this is well documented so users know what to expect. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 16:58:12 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 21:58:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7vCV-0008VJ-K6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:58:12 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:43652) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7vCT-0008VB-O3 for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:58:10 -0500 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id r1JLv0Bc025009; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:57:00 -0500 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A51EAB40CF; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:57:00 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Bastien Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails Message-ID: References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:57:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien's message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:34:24 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4497=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4497> : streams <909755> : uri <1350159> X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: "'T.V. Raman'" , 13731@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > Well, I would say this calls for making it a variable instead of an > option. This is what we do for org-outline-regexp for example. Agreed, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 17:05:05 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2013 22:05:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7vJB-0000G5-Ms for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:05:05 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:35849) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7vJ9-0000Fy-Na for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:05:04 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r1JM3rl0028831 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:03:54 GMT Received: from acsmt358.oracle.com (acsmt358.oracle.com [141.146.40.158]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r1JM3pqK010196 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 22:03:52 GMT Received: from abhmt115.oracle.com (abhmt115.oracle.com [141.146.116.67]) by acsmt358.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r1JM3pj4014055; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 16:03:51 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.138.144) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:03:51 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Stefan Monnier'" , "'Bastien'" References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org><20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL><83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org><87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx><6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com><87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Subject: RE: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 14:03:47 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: Thread-Index: Ac4O7A/FfvilQbI7TaagcBBzGT43uAAABNqg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: "'T.V. Raman'" , 13731@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) > > Well, I would say this calls for making it a variable instead of an > > option. This is what we do for org-outline-regexp for example. > > Agreed, Are you not just focusing on the local-variable use case? What about the case of a global user preference wrt the regexp to use? Isn't it likely that some users customize this (i.e., as an option), to get a different general behavior globally? This option has been around for a very long time. Why not provide for both: (a) a general (global) user preference for the default regexp to use and (b) local behavior that deviates from that behavior? IOW, add a non-option variable, instead of just replacing the existing option with a non-option variable. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 19 21:22:09 2013 Received: (at 13731) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2013 02:22:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7zJx-00065s-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:22:09 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47]:43798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U7zJu-00065l-QV for 13731@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 21:22:08 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f47.google.com with SMTP id bj3so3707852pad.20 for <13731@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:date:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:x-mailer :reply-to:from:x-attribution; bh=4urLWyYaiWjC6zwAdu9WJTgAlCuC/CnfPa+eIP1vXKE=; b=pcbzo+cNFMNujddVeBAzAxiabvXFJtS7S0R2deDxeAtJQMKYpU9Y4m8VoZIsxOP8xb HHS4XwDgq389hLxBo8hKOnDfjGo7ikybEhqrUVKoN2OnvKd3V2/R8U7PUTbGisENVVfn 09j74xgcvmubnRci49NFNLuBUUoBGSjusNZgWgaZqhW2IL5DqjjkJt5Ze2t3lQJ2IScu 9OigIKq6aDApS4Ql7WWdweScZ8ImdKxPmooe/jtSlRlMhjLmUcPNKcucBC+klk3zuksx SRwxpwlRYsr56cANuILk6JLkSJ/hilncCLs17lnEbpWSfCJ+iYCIhVNALnDWTeSM6/7S /UfQ== X-Received: by 10.66.82.163 with SMTP id j3mr51233536pay.31.1361326857805; Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from labrador.google.com (c-71-202-188-217.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [71.202.188.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ol7sm19858854pbb.14.2013.02.19.18.20.55 (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <20772.13062.805772.262442@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:54 -0800 To: bzg@altern.org Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Mailer: VM 8.1.1 under 24.3.50.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) From: "T. V. Raman" x-attribution: tvr X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731 Cc: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com, 13731@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) My recommendation is that this be made a defvar -- letting custom touch this variable is hard to debug -- >>>>> "Bastien" == Bastien writes: Bastien> Hi Drew, "Drew Adams" Bastien> writes: Bastien> >>> > outline-regexp is customizable, and its default value >>> had gotten > changed in my customization settings at some >>> point. Would be > wise for C-h N to set outline-regexp >>> appropriately -- perhaps > via a file-local variable in >>> the News file? >>> >>> The docstring of `outline-regexp' says The recommended >>> way to set this is with a Local Variables: list in the >>> file it applies to. So I'd suggest to simply follow the >>> recommendation here. >> >> I'd say that that is a doc bug. >> >> This is a _user option_. Bastien> Bastien> Well, I would say this calls for making it a Bastien> variable instead of an option. This is what we do Bastien> for org-outline-regexp for example. Bastien> Bastien> -- Bastien -- Best Regards, --raman From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 20 08:09:41 2013 Received: (at 13731-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2013 13:09:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38900 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U89QW-0006bv-SV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:09:39 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com ([74.125.83.54]:53805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U89QM-0006bG-9a for 13731-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 08:09:33 -0500 Received: by mail-ee0-f54.google.com with SMTP id c41so4259550eek.13 for <13731-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :user-agent:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=GX15lJgwm9KQACytp4BI1+1f/2DdPZX+19sNNLWBrdQ=; b=TmuU59/9cWoUpVQ0mhbtAWgKBsPiacHNaLwpuG8hHRWBCdJSv1moJR7w3GnVebTwwE rCDXkLLrlRvwDpxFCjczkL2dE7GeVcSDrvr/4+ddNl7SY63Ybgzf3r/8gsa8m0IvhvOK kUb4YOf06/yyf39W5j85HED0ci09rjA+khuErGkxTDri0FSmvOvKTJmMnDXJWEo1H5Tp 9R1VFSZBH08NIdU71H0J3ERH22gjHUESzxreALW4k2RITPkdaQ8n785/N82zmGMSz5T7 7yOsxQ3RMwD40uqYqL9ZBKr6QyLLqUD+js4wdiuNVXOgDqPhgQimvXa7Nm6xlLyTcFJa HTdA== X-Received: by 10.14.213.199 with SMTP id a47mr69109833eep.31.1361365692621; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:08:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from bzg.localdomain (128-79-136-150.hfc.dyn.abo.bbox.fr. [128.79.136.150]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q5sm109316144eeo.17.2013.02.20.05.08.10 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 20 Feb 2013 05:08:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3F3C81C20702; Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:08:08 +0100 (CET) From: Bastien To: tv.raman.tv@gmail.com Subject: Re: bug#13731: 24.3.50; C-h N -- Outline navigation Fails In-Reply-To: <20772.13062.805772.262442@gargle.gargle.HOWL> (T. V. Raman's message of "Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:20:54 -0800") References: <87liaocc00.fsf@gmail.com> <20767.58974.404379.553141@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83obfkqagr.fsf@gnu.org> <20768.17500.927206.155870@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <83lianr449.fsf@gnu.org> <87y5ek1diw.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <6C20A984A05D40E0A69AB390817CD69A@us.oracle.com> <87d2vwgksf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <20772.13062.805772.262442@gargle.gargle.HOWL> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:08:08 +0100 Message-ID: <87ppzv5e13.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13731-done Cc: 13731-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "T. V. Raman" writes: > My recommendation is that this be made a defvar -- letting > custom touch this variable is hard to debug -- Done, thanks. I'm now closing this bug report. -- Bastien From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:13:13 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2013 11:24:02 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator