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24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame

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From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:38:51 +0100

Since a month ago, using emacs-snapshot (so pretty close to the Bzr
head), in terminal mode (both in xterm and urxvt), i'm experiencing
flickers and slow redraws in several modes.  Perhaps the easiest to
reproduce is using Gnus with a multiwindow layout (3 windows visible:
groups, message list and message body), where entering the next group
(which causes almost a complete redraw) produces a very noticeable
flicker, specially when the mode lines are redrawn.

For instance, right now, composing this bug report, the flicker is very
noticeable (perhaps due to the special self-deletable text in the
email?), although it comes and goes...

In vanilla emacs 24.2/3 the redraw is immediate and totally invisible.

I also sometimes see flickers when fontify region is doing its thing.



In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw scroll bars)
 of 2013-02-15 on dex, modified by Debian
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Message #8 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 11:22:22 +0200

> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:38:51 +0100
> 
> Since a month ago, using emacs-snapshot (so pretty close to the Bzr
> head), in terminal mode (both in xterm and urxvt), i'm experiencing
> flickers and slow redraws in several modes.  Perhaps the easiest to
> reproduce is using Gnus with a multiwindow layout (3 windows visible:
> groups, message list and message body), where entering the next group
> (which causes almost a complete redraw) produces a very noticeable
> flicker, specially when the mode lines are redrawn.
> 
> For instance, right now, composing this bug report, the flicker is very
> noticeable (perhaps due to the special self-deletable text in the
> email?), although it comes and goes...
> 
> In vanilla emacs 24.2/3 the redraw is immediate and totally invisible.
> 
> I also sometimes see flickers when fontify region is doing its thing.

Many changes went under the bridge during the last month.  Is it
possible for you to bisect the last month worth of revisions to find
the revisions that are to blame?

If not, can you tell how to reproduce this with fontify region?  What
exactly does the last sentence mean?

I don't use Gnus; is there any other way to see the flickering?

Thanks.

Message #11 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 00:24:40 +0100

On Sat, Feb 16 2013, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
>> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:38:51 +0100
>> 
>> Since a month ago, using emacs-snapshot (so pretty close to the Bzr
>> head), in terminal mode (both in xterm and urxvt), i'm experiencing
>> flickers and slow redraws in several modes.  Perhaps the easiest to
>> reproduce is using Gnus with a multiwindow layout (3 windows visible:
>> groups, message list and message body), where entering the next group
>> (which causes almost a complete redraw) produces a very noticeable
>> flicker, specially when the mode lines are redrawn.
>> 
>> For instance, right now, composing this bug report, the flicker is very
>> noticeable (perhaps due to the special self-deletable text in the
>> email?), although it comes and goes...
>> 
>> In vanilla emacs 24.2/3 the redraw is immediate and totally invisible.
>> 
>> I also sometimes see flickers when fontify region is doing its thing.
>
> Many changes went under the bridge during the last month.  Is it
> possible for you to bisect the last month worth of revisions to find
> the revisions that are to blame?

Not right now, but next weekend i should have time for it (i need to
learn how to do that with bzr first).

> If not, can you tell how to reproduce this with fontify region?  What
> exactly does the last sentence mean?

Sorry, i was guessing there.  When composing the bug message, and
sometimes in fontified buffers, i've got the impression of seeing the
window redisplaying itself, and it occurred to me that that redisplay
could be triggered by font-lock while fontifying: but it's just
guessing.

> I don't use Gnus; is there any other way to see the flickering?

I cannot reproduce the flickering with compose-message with -Q, and
sometimes not even with all my configuration loaded.  The "gnus effect"
is always there though... i'll keep trying reproducing it and report
back, and otherwise will eventually get to the bisecting.

Thanks for your patience!

Cheers,
jao

Message #14 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:45:04 +0100

On Sun, Feb 17 2013, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 16 2013, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>
>>> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
>>> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 02:38:51 +0100
>>> 
>>> Since a month ago, using emacs-snapshot (so pretty close to the Bzr
>>> head), in terminal mode (both in xterm and urxvt), i'm experiencing
>>> flickers and slow redraws in several modes.  Perhaps the easiest to
>>> reproduce is using Gnus with a multiwindow layout (3 windows visible:
>>> groups, message list and message body), where entering the next group
>>> (which causes almost a complete redraw) produces a very noticeable
>>> flicker, specially when the mode lines are redrawn.
>>> 
>>> For instance, right now, composing this bug report, the flicker is very
>>> noticeable (perhaps due to the special self-deletable text in the
>>> email?), although it comes and goes...
>>> 
>>> In vanilla emacs 24.2/3 the redraw is immediate and totally invisible.
>>> 
>>> I also sometimes see flickers when fontify region is doing its thing.
>>
>> Many changes went under the bridge during the last month.  Is it
>> possible for you to bisect the last month worth of revisions to find
>> the revisions that are to blame?
>
> Not right now, but next weekend i should have time for it (i need to
> learn how to do that with bzr first).
>
>> If not, can you tell how to reproduce this with fontify region?  What
>> exactly does the last sentence mean?
>
> Sorry, i was guessing there.  When composing the bug message, and
> sometimes in fontified buffers, i've got the impression of seeing the
> window redisplaying itself, and it occurred to me that that redisplay
> could be triggered by font-lock while fontifying: but it's just
> guessing.
>
>> I don't use Gnus; is there any other way to see the flickering?

Here's a way to see the flickering:

- start emacs with -daemon -Q
- open an X client (emacsclient -c)
- start composing a bug email, using report-emacs-bug
- open a terminal client (emacsclient -t), keeping the X one open
- go to the email buffer in the terminal client and modify it: every now
  and then i can see its lines repainting if i move around, but not
  always; a systematic way of making it flicker seems to be doing C-c
  C-k and, when the yes/no prompt in the minibuffer appears, start
  typing there.

HTH,
jao

Message #17 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 19:12:50 +0200

> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:45:04 +0100
> 
> - start emacs with -daemon -Q
> - open an X client (emacsclient -c)
> - start composing a bug email, using report-emacs-bug
> - open a terminal client (emacsclient -t), keeping the X one open
> - go to the email buffer in the terminal client and modify it: every now
>   and then i can see its lines repainting if i move around, but not
>   always; a systematic way of making it flicker seems to be doing C-c
>   C-k and, when the yes/no prompt in the minibuffer appears, start
>   typing there.

Thanks, but... how is this situation (when the same buffer is edited
in two different frames of 2 different types) interesting?  Does the
flickering you see in Gnus also happen in such strange setups?

Message #20 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:51:19 +0100

On Thu, Feb 21 2013, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
>> Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 07:45:04 +0100
>> 
>> - start emacs with -daemon -Q
>> - open an X client (emacsclient -c)
>> - start composing a bug email, using report-emacs-bug
>> - open a terminal client (emacsclient -t), keeping the X one open
>> - go to the email buffer in the terminal client and modify it: every now
>>   and then i can see its lines repainting if i move around, but not
>>   always; a systematic way of making it flicker seems to be doing C-c
>>   C-k and, when the yes/no prompt in the minibuffer appears, start
>>   typing there.
>
> Thanks, but... how is this situation (when the same buffer is edited
> in two different frames of 2 different types) interesting?

Only in that it is the only reliable way of showing the flickering in
redisplaying windows in terminal sessions i've found, besides Gnus.

(Incidentally, i wouldn't say that displaying the same buffer in two
clients is "strange," but anyway, it's not needed for other flickers to
happen.)


> Does the flickering you see in Gnus also happen in such strange
> setups?

In Gnus, the redrawing is more apparent because there are 3 buffers and
hence 3 modelines, and the flicker is more visible when it happens in
modelines (when browsing email folders in Gnus, the three modelines
sometimes change simultaneously).  The flickering there doesn't need the
same buffer open in two different frame types.

Cheers,
jao

Message #23 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:38:22 +0200

> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:51:19 +0100
> 
> In Gnus, the redrawing is more apparent because there are 3 buffers and
> hence 3 modelines, and the flicker is more visible when it happens in
> modelines (when browsing email folders in Gnus, the three modelines
> sometimes change simultaneously).  The flickering there doesn't need the
> same buffer open in two different frame types.

Do all the 3 buffers change simultaneously, due to some Gnus command
you run?  If so, then the flickering is expected: redisplay due to
simultaneous changes in several buffers is not optimized in Emacs, it
usually results in all windows on all frames being redisplayed.

Message #26 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:11:31 +0100

On Thu, Feb 21 2013, Eli Zaretskii wrote:

>> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
>> Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:51:19 +0100
>> 
>> In Gnus, the redrawing is more apparent because there are 3 buffers and
>> hence 3 modelines, and the flicker is more visible when it happens in
>> modelines (when browsing email folders in Gnus, the three modelines
>> sometimes change simultaneously).  The flickering there doesn't need the
>> same buffer open in two different frame types.
>
> Do all the 3 buffers change simultaneously, due to some Gnus command
> you run?

It's a 3 pane configuration.  On the left you have a list of mail
groups.  On the right, there are 2 windows: top one with a list of
messages, bottom with the current message.

You navigate messages on the top right window.  When you hit the end of
the list for the current group, it goes to the next one: at that point,
the left window with the list of groups is updated (to mark the current
group), the top left window is updated (to show the new list of
messages) and the bottom left window is updated to show the newly
selected message contents.

None of the window sizes changes at all.

> If so, then the flickering is expected: redisplay due to
> simultaneous changes in several buffers is not optimized in Emacs, it
> usually results in all windows on all frames being redisplayed.

Well, the flickering most definitely doesn't happen for emacs 24.2, and
hasn't happened for me since the emacs 19.x times.  What's more, it
wasn't happening for snapshots until recently, and it does not happen in
X mode, only in terminal windows (i would expect the redraw to be slower
in X mode than in an xterm, but i might of course be wrong).

Message #29 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:39:20 +0200

> From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 20:11:31 +0100
> 
> Well, the flickering most definitely doesn't happen for emacs 24.2, and
> hasn't happened for me since the emacs 19.x times.  What's more, it
> wasn't happening for snapshots until recently, and it does not happen in
> X mode, only in terminal windows (i would expect the redraw to be slower
> in X mode than in an xterm, but i might of course be wrong).

Probably a result of some recent changes in the display code, then.
Perhaps you could bisect to find out which changes exactly caused
that.

Message #32 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2014 15:49:41 -0800

"Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Well, the flickering most definitely doesn't happen for emacs 24.2, and
> hasn't happened for me since the emacs 19.x times.  What's more, it
> wasn't happening for snapshots until recently, and it does not happen in
> X mode, only in terminal windows (i would expect the redraw to be slower
> in X mode than in an xterm, but i might of course be wrong).

Are you still seeing this flickering with the current Emacs trunk?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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Message #35 received at 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 13727 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13727: 24.3.50; terminal emacs flickers when redrawing frame
Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2014 01:02:52 +0100

On Thu, Feb 06 2014, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> Well, the flickering most definitely doesn't happen for emacs 24.2, and
>> hasn't happened for me since the emacs 19.x times.  What's more, it
>> wasn't happening for snapshots until recently, and it does not happen in
>> X mode, only in terminal windows (i would expect the redraw to be slower
>> in X mode than in an xterm, but i might of course be wrong).
>
> Are you still seeing this flickering with the current Emacs trunk?

These days it's far less noticeable, to the point of not being a problem
anymore (at least for me).  I guess we can close this one.  Thanks!

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