From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:23 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13708 <13708@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13708 <13708@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Reply-To: bug#13708 <13708@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:13:23 +0000 retitle 13708 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. = and C-, reassign 13708 emacs submitter 13708 Jambunathan K severity 13708 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 13 09:36:28 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2013 14:36:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53513 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dRh-00018z-2z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:36:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dRZ-00018n-UU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:36:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dQz-0004Kx-13 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:35:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:34612) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dQy-0004Kr-Ta for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:35:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42704) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dQs-0003pE-RF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:35:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dQo-0004HZ-LY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:35:34 -0500 Received: from mail-da0-f50.google.com ([209.85.210.50]:60932) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5dQo-0004HL-FG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 09:35:30 -0500 Received: by mail-da0-f50.google.com with SMTP id h15so576208dan.37 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:35:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; bh=+lVhBP4AhUPvgzaMQRGICPYjsDsOoEJLeJ7D3qvIRak=; b=rezT65STE+aGLJXlOWceG9eSeKbrpr2Ht/ovMNYyhZaYhthoNQa8TkyVZ1AZNx3bqf QaOUwnA4EAsvAWtzs9LRPwdt6hAw2Py2LkLvHfViuFrAh/Xg41l/bOMEREGUAqHjR5Ya KJoHfphJYPdcE3y7DmushAz0VZP/Z2asC91i9tTGv/PAfyu6y1az5gifDqb0Gw5Ab0Ho ghbARHZI5wQmbL4oQJC6sEbdCC4CDHTWK6uaQUs09VMqOLGvdsjblF5Nnhp96mx+EP5J 9Bo07oNTl9lS492JalvJpeBwT+P9k+wvfGFmbPGlthCLzjb5k3S9XUr/KzgaDCfQWivu V2Yw== X-Received: by 10.66.82.103 with SMTP id h7mr64604713pay.6.1360766128822; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:35:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.241.110.4]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e6sm84028071paw.16.2013.02.13.06.35.25 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 06:35:28 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:04:58 +0530 Message-ID: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain This bug superseds http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13602 There seems to be a general agreement that C-s and C-r are too useful to be superseded by icomplete, ido and iswitchb(?). I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Description: candidates-cycling.patch === modified file 'lisp/icomplete.el' --- lisp/icomplete.el 2013-02-08 07:53:55 +0000 +++ lisp/icomplete.el 2013-02-13 14:24:14 +0000 @@ -156,8 +156,8 @@ except those on this list.") (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap))) (define-key map [?\M-\t] 'minibuffer-force-complete) (define-key map [?\C-j] 'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) - (define-key map [?\C-s] 'icomplete-forward-completions) - (define-key map [?\C-r] 'icomplete-backward-completions) + (define-key map [?\C-.] 'icomplete-forward-completions) + (define-key map [?\C-,] 'icomplete-backward-completions) map)) (defun icomplete-forward-completions () === modified file 'lisp/ido.el' --- lisp/ido.el 2013-01-02 16:13:04 +0000 +++ lisp/ido.el 2013-02-13 14:07:22 +0000 @@ -1585,6 +1585,8 @@ This function also adds a hook to the mi (define-key map "\C-p" 'ido-toggle-prefix) (define-key map "\C-r" 'ido-prev-match) (define-key map "\C-s" 'ido-next-match) + (define-key map [?\C-.] 'ido-next-match) + (define-key map [?\C-,] 'ido-prev-match) (define-key map "\C-t" 'ido-toggle-regexp) (define-key map "\C-z" 'ido-undo-merge-work-directory) (define-key map [(control ?\s)] 'ido-restrict-to-matches) === modified file 'lisp/iswitchb.el' --- lisp/iswitchb.el 2013-01-01 09:11:05 +0000 +++ lisp/iswitchb.el 2013-02-13 14:07:06 +0000 @@ -471,6 +471,8 @@ interfere with other minibuffer usage.") (define-key map "?" 'iswitchb-completion-help) (define-key map "\C-s" 'iswitchb-next-match) (define-key map "\C-r" 'iswitchb-prev-match) + (define-key map [?\C-.] 'iswitchb-next-match) + (define-key map [?\C-,] 'iswitchb-prev-match) (define-key map "\t" 'iswitchb-complete) (define-key map "\C-j" 'iswitchb-select-buffer-text) (define-key map "\C-t" 'iswitchb-toggle-regexp) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.17 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2013-02-13 on debian-6.05 Bzr revision: 111769 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca-20130213134000-ic1ever0864xkzoo Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.5 (squeeze) --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 13 11:53:30 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2013 16:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5faL-0004Nn-4U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:53:29 -0500 Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com ([209.85.215.49]:44975) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5faG-0004Nc-EZ for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:53:27 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so1357288lab.22 for <13708@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cZbWOgerKqpeExMZj3geNY+hkzEerYDjOssdmv/NI7c=; b=H3hjoiIU3UWQSudYMuGHGQwJ0kH3MIIstBrtW1ZOWhiS3NMnv8xoczyrX0MjnkGwsd xHu2WeCxp3ybxyENbDrH5wA1PF2GM6Y/oYrcosb2AIMnKRczCL/fTZejtvfYx5wRhlBg Q01OdUUDBkKJV2Twa2sb/HO8GhFm27qcLaRb4dyAMeY1Z8bHdALG4PItKsjUuY2RhZIV GO6sGvBVnq7dNuqeFbhwg5MH0+WHVSZpQkwHepNPvNBHYeKF1P/vKDh82GsC3XOx+Z92 YyxlyCEe5k0qFnaHJlXuLQSvgNRN1nIqzzxLFPYQEVF3hwiQCuByP+/J1e9W/aVrDvC8 dICw== X-Received: by 10.112.50.98 with SMTP id b2mr9281970lbo.114.1360774371089; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:52:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from SOL ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id er8sm15586937lbb.9.2013.02.13.08.52.49 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 08:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dmitry Gutov To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:52:45 +0400 In-Reply-To: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:04:58 +0530") Message-ID: <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Jambunathan K writes: > This bug superseds > http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13602 > > There seems to be a general agreement that C-s and C-r are too useful to > be superseded by icomplete, ido and iswitchb(?). How exactly the default bindings for C-s and C-r are supposed to be used in ido-mode? > I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. > > For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. > Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Feb 13 23:55:22 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 04:55:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54884 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5qqw-0007qi-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:55:22 -0500 Received: from mail-da0-f45.google.com ([209.85.210.45]:42371) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5qqt-0007qY-Pf for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 23:55:21 -0500 Received: by mail-da0-f45.google.com with SMTP id w4so882008dam.4 for <13708@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:54:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=QX4uvyMyNz13fVYheyDKPWmEuXbMbCTnrmaM4Oh9rl4=; b=QKJMp07kjwpWK4go8VMMOOC81+QrQ79kkBm902C7odBKcPMoRa/l2P8v2IX+0H3IwR k2l/V0mvUnV44n6jJ8KaYnyBvh0qmt/jke3V5CXKdmEcOrc0ntNKjAXSkEOYOeTj8mwd ZKeqE09EzUX2iYHLf0rXkYo9RPp1neA7dGU/oxi0zZ/drZukihogrXlznkooLJouvFnS lur4jVgekAMO565xBCyaJb8/anEx/97gEgEnfCAoKVpG5/qe2YN8ENP9tAzTp3cmENT2 5sd6W9BEWQrn6+u7Z9dFKMSZmJJWsCgbQkwp8CY7Wd+lE1T1vYb4t8ZodUlWLKAERG/p agrA== X-Received: by 10.68.134.130 with SMTP id pk2mr126731pbb.20.1360817684084; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:54:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([115.242.143.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w2sm83381570pax.22.2013.02.13.20.54.40 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:54:42 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 10:24:19 +0530 In-Reply-To: <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:52:45 +0400") Message-ID: <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Dmitry Gutov writes: > Jambunathan K writes: > >> This bug superseds >> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13602 >> >> There seems to be a general agreement that C-s and C-r are too useful to >> be superseded by icomplete, ido and iswitchb(?). > > How exactly the default bindings for C-s and C-r are supposed to be used > in ido-mode? I don't know. Just not use C-s and C-r at all. Or Introduce two defcustoms of type :key-sequence *shared* across the three libraries (ido, iswithcb and icomplete). and set them to C-. and C-, I don't know what solution would be best here. Nothing wrong to discuss, I suppose. >> I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. I think you are not objecting to this. >> For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. >> Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. I am in favor of deletion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 14 00:13:04 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 05:13:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54889 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5r84-0008QO-1c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:13:04 -0500 Received: from mail-la0-f49.google.com ([209.85.215.49]:62049) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5r81-0008Px-Ec for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:13:02 -0500 Received: by mail-la0-f49.google.com with SMTP id fs13so1881711lab.22 for <13708@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to :cc:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rRR+NFSdHO8hVY3IzsC3IyImvUSfa2uH/tNIH5M1tdU=; b=loGqyMOABz/JUwsyy7QsN4/xUfgdQ9tM+9GtcRiWZXYBWLlopv4Cy7kkWjsbfdwGbI WiTvcWvhkEfGNE99x+z8QVAXTkmdA5TIk7NouKmkpGnXalsM3D0fAI7xUCqmBKw5w+WR Cb4YWYZ7diVhiTyhxQ3hZcMU5jcg9STGR2NPfOFiowRsexeCKtdsYPXlo047l7mNED7i z1J54fr66kXZHNHWfmxI0u9GbrA2nvyJE22rl1TG1D7mldSP3fs3xMO/epwzj9JSMKdM quN40EFCuIu7uug3WrsLRiEhvy3bvaxL1dqNLAyQgEZBl61MbnrADrLPl2T9Ly0L5yPP LIWg== X-Received: by 10.152.102.177 with SMTP id fp17mr22659633lab.0.1360818745281; Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:12:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b3sm16068202lbl.0.2013.02.13.21.12.23 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:12:24 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <511C723A.6030502@yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:12:26 +0400 From: Dmitry Gutov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) On 14.02.2013 8:54, Jambunathan K wrote: > Dmitry Gutov writes: > >> Jambunathan K writes: >> >>> This bug superseds >>> http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=13602 >>> >>> There seems to be a general agreement that C-s and C-r are too useful to >>> be superseded by icomplete, ido and iswitchb(?). >> >> How exactly the default bindings for C-s and C-r are supposed to be used >> in ido-mode? > > I don't know. Just not use C-s and C-r at all. What if the user tries to use them? By reflex, or out of exploratory interest. I tried removing the overridded keybindings like you suggested, but C-s still doesn't really work after that, the interface is half-ido, half-isearch. That's bad. So, I'm against removing them. > Or > > Introduce two defcustoms of type :key-sequence *shared* across the three > libraries (ido, iswithcb and icomplete). > > and set them to C-. and C-, > > I don't know what solution would be best here. Nothing wrong to > discuss, I suppose. > >>> I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. > > I think you are not objecting to this. I don't have anything against these specific keybindings, except if C-s and C-r are not removed, they will be extraneous. Not much of a problem, I guess. >>> For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. >>> Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. > > I am in favor of deletion. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 14 00:57:25 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 05:57:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54926 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roy-0001SZ-CC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:57:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5rov-0001SQ-EV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:57:22 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roK-0003Ow-N9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-97.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, FSL_HELO_BARE_IP_2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:41545) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roK-0003Os-KJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52810) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roI-0003uy-OM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roH-0003Nc-3u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:42 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33614) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roG-0003NV-Ti for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 00:56:41 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1U5roV-0005L1-Ud for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:56:55 +0100 Received: from 119.255.41.66 ([119.255.41.66]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:56:55 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by 119.255.41.66 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 06:56:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Liu Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:56:24 +0800 Lines: 12 Message-ID: References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> <511C723A.6030502@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.255.41.66 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAMFBMVEUaFRZLMy1dTENxVzKQ WiCrXQ97cmO/dSqSh3akjGTApXy5sJ7Sxo/Sz8Xo6eP9//xJbkruAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlw SFlzAAACxQAAAsUBidZ/7wAAAAd0SU1FB9cBBwMJOwHXewoAAAIBSURBVCjPVdNBiNNAFADQ6J4F x3hThHZBBC+WCFI8SS0iezRDcMHLHkLAg6gJH/fgYQ9xYlj2sLK4KHgqCgXFhda2Idmr4kkQPZQ0 nkQMbTypbMmMM2m7ZgYSmMef/5OZPwo7HFnx3uKPcmj0Dht1LWZJ+Hvr7dIFZXRUwl9VRTuuKDJ+ U44gjscknK4hhJaCkYRsWjmBtLqXlJAG2wipNe18OZJu1BBq1E8xafl4s6Jq2mUZGftU1y7CCxnp FVUDWJXx4C66BKBnErbuoaYNtoRTu6EZBsCbMn7W+5qOAR6WvxNOby9jHWC9hAf3n304CdiAByXs 3Nh9roLDkyb/sWV712vYwaLSAn8CPMHIAAzOPDKP2COAFm4Y4ODVWc6xG7KXsN7UeUJjjimx2uwd gCgNhr0i8C/xyCD5CiCKAMY3Bf5oDzx//w/fimscdcAZU2jv9sedx6+nYPPFIoWI/GK6QZ+EFGOR ErAjCnV3vPZ7XqlTIMbOLY7fLcvvmT7rXNWaGDexIY44N12TG2PDp7vqyl57dnCeuWwyNpnEURxk fTbDYeBnKRn4oejPYI4sH6WviBumEZ/GxX4X/x6EcURFZ7E071bjQGAxpcOAEOJuTiroDEea5Szv rVWLYfl7ZiQwSUToxrkux7OLixAWGz22+HIyWTRYcVfomOwvzusfjtVIGgLHf3MAAAAASUVORK5C YII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.93 (OS X 10.8.2) Cancel-Lock: sha1:zUCqtV9AMwS1lXHAyNJAtqSA6IY= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) On 2013-02-14 13:12 +0800, Dmitry Gutov wrote: >>>> I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. >> >> I think you are not objecting to this. > > I don't have anything against these specific keybindings, except if > C-s and C-r are not removed, they will be extraneous. I think it is better leave C-, or C-. to personal customisation instead of putting them in emacs. These keys by no means are standard. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 14 04:24:41 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 09:24:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55112 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5v3Z-0002xs-4c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:24:41 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:46549 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5v3U-0002xR-Vu for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 04:24:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B371B2019ACD24; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:23:59 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Dmitry Gutov Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Organization: JURTA References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> <511C723A.6030502@yandex.ru> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:19:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <511C723A.6030502@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 09:12:26 +0400") Message-ID: <878v6rs3he.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org, Jambunathan K X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) >>> How exactly the default bindings for C-s and C-r are supposed to be used >>> in ido-mode? >> >> I don't know. Just not use C-s and C-r at all. > > What if the user tries to use them? By reflex, or out of > exploratory interest. > > I tried removing the overridded keybindings like you suggested, but C-s > still doesn't really work after that, the interface is half-ido, > half-isearch. That's bad. When I tried removing the overridden keybindings from ido-mode to use the standard isearch keybindings C-s and C-r, I see that they are working fine in ido-mode. But they are less useful in ido-mode, because to start isearch from a certain place, you can't move point to that place, because point movement keys are overridden too: C-a, C-e, left and right arrows all use non-standard keybindings. > So, I'm against removing them. I agree. It's impossible to bring icomplete and ido closer to each other in keybindings because their keybindings are already incompatibly different. For instance, in ido-mode: C-j - selects a partial input C-m - selects a complete candidate But in icomplete they have the opposite meaning: C-j - selects a complete candidate C-m - selects a partial input So it would be better to leave ido/iswitchb keybindings intact. Regarding `C-.' and `C-,' for icomplete-mode, I think that even though they are non-standard, unavailable on ttys and have unintuitive layouts on some keyboards, at least they have one advantage to override none of standard default keybindings. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 14 08:51:05 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 13:51:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55303 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5zDJ-0004QN-Ld for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:51:03 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:41323) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5zDE-0004Q7-FX for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:50:57 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id r1EDoIO6027464; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:50:18 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id F1D796F8CF; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:50:17 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Message-ID: References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:50:17 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Wed, 13 Feb 2013 20:04:58 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4491=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4491> : streams <906621> : uri <1345517> X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. > For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. > Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. Looks good, please install when you get your commit access, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 14 08:53:31 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2013 13:53:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55307 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5zFg-0004Ve-1U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:53:29 -0500 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.20]:52317) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U5zFd-0004VT-BS for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:53:26 -0500 Received: from pastel.home (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id r1EDqkVC027862; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:46 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 59BC26F8CF; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:46 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Message-ID: References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621wkvfm.fsf@yandex.ru> <87ehgj5wck.fsf@gmail.com> <511C723A.6030502@yandex.ru> <878v6rs3he.fsf@mail.jurta.org> Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:52:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <878v6rs3he.fsf@mail.jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:19:17 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.2 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 2 Rules triggered GEN_SPAM_FEATRE=0.2, RV4491=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9309 : core <4491> : streams <906623> : uri <1345519> X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org, Jambunathan K , Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) > Regarding `C-.' and `C-,' for icomplete-mode, I think that > even though they are non-standard, unavailable on ttys and Actually (to my surprise), they work in my (i.e. Debian testing's) xterms. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 15 15:10:50 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2013 20:10:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6RcN-0001gz-PN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:10:49 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.220.49]:63231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6RcK-0001gq-BO for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 15:10:46 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id kp6so1897202pab.36 for <13708@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:09:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=AtknhsMF3HBV/q63qOgfT1LqxtFJgJuHda2RsqVHXK0=; b=hMLO7kwOPMgzGkaxJTk/FAhALcijjN7oN6fJuwV8UMLDijjjlIqDaFGYmh7FJwFDH9 IXAPObfR8m0qas/Fc/lLkhVqOli9CQ9lvHj3RQ6oGpLMU57ePH6HD71A5MISnyu0bdZh KPGQl0HmKM5cba5FeOlwyzzINFqtVbBBFm3LaKL7nl3ufV8VQ5pzqL9kNUafoD4THtlD MY290s3NRJfP3KIhVQvOPxbGPwDX99aGOQbgSuAUrGpeuBJ62LmegxVXg6ooFq273t2A BnDg6k5QLbAVf8LpabbH46M/sC8fFUWP4aJdAnWrhsaTcGt2d/rsXOdcd+qwL+9vSA17 Itsw== X-Received: by 10.68.189.169 with SMTP id gj9mr8984192pbc.67.1360958999229; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:09:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.155.116]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f9sm94587814paz.12.2013.02.15.12.09.55 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 15 Feb 2013 12:09:57 -0800 (PST) From: Jambunathan K To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:39:37 +0530 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:50:17 -0500") Message-ID: <87621te3um.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: >> I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. >> For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. >> Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. > > Looks good, please install when you get your commit access, Committed as revno: 111793 and 111789.1.1. Is it normal for the later version to be publicly seen? I have a feeling that it could have been avoided. IIRC, Sequence went something like: 1. unbind 2. commit 3. couple of more checkins from others 4. commit of pending merge from my side. > Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 15 18:41:05 2013 Received: (at 13708) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2013 23:41:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58268 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6Uts-0008Rs-TH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:41:05 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:30235) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6Utp-0008RS-LN for 13708@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:41:02 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxKjI/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IPAS-Result: Av8EABK/CFFFxKjI/2dsb2JhbABEuzWDWRdzgh4BAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHgbBLZEKA4hhnBmBXoMV X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="1538731" Received: from 69-196-168-200.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.168.200]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 15 Feb 2013 18:40:15 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4A0C66F7D2; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: bug#13708: 24.3.50; icomplete, ido, iswitchb: Replace C-s, C-r with C-. and C-, Message-ID: References: <87vc9ws2nh.fsf@gmail.com> <87621te3um.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 18:40:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87621te3um.fsf@gmail.com> (Jambunathan K.'s message of "Sat, 16 Feb 2013 01:39:37 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13708 Cc: 13708@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) >>> I am proposing C-, and C-. as useful defaults. >>> For fear of resentment, I am leaving C-s and C-r bindings intact. >>> Reviewer may delete them at his own discretion. >> Looks good, please install when you get your commit access, > Committed as revno: 111793 and 111789.1.1. > Is it normal for the later version to be publicly seen? I think so. > I have a feeling that it could have been avoided. Probably. > IIRC, Sequence went something like: > 1. unbind > 2. commit > 3. couple of more checkins from others > 4. commit of pending merge from my side. I'm pretty sure there are steps missing. Between 3 and 4, there must have been something like "bzr pull" or "bzr merge" and either the 4 was really a "bzr push" or there was a "bzr bind" some time before. The way I do it: my `trunk' branch is bound. When I have a patch to install, I apply it to trunk somehow, then I "bzr commit" and if it fails, I first "bzr update" then try again. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 15 21:00:00 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Feb 2013 02:00:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6X4J-0004tw-AL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:59:59 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37062) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U6X4H-0004tp-AN for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:59:58 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U6X3W-0005N7-Du for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:59:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 20:59:10 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 13708 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) close 13708 From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:23 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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