From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jan 27 12:44:00 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2013 17:44:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51556 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWGt-0001ut-5V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:44:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:50870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWGb-0001uU-M3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWGF-0007JM-66 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:20 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:45768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWGF-0007JI-2x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33979) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWGB-0007CU-Qi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:19 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWG9-0007Gr-PO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:15 -0500 Received: from exprod7og103.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.159]:42237) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TzWG9-0007Dk-Cj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:13 -0500 Received: from mail-fa0-f70.google.com ([209.85.161.70]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob103.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUQVnLiER4ZXFZeeRBS4xxf+K6lI5PyPG@postini.com; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:43:13 PST Received: by mail-fa0-f70.google.com with SMTP id t1so2266548fae.5 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:x-received:from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=emganOj67af2lR53hXuWAiTsioP0CmoWPixdBg3WRpg=; b=hXTiHzDiNDDupB3AF4Df5ltPjq8ZfryJDgmH5fceG9Pldm4c/Um3+LT+bcMCnNp0lo z6DGowO/yU/r0fxrKf4s1cqIYgIO2yFd70WYJZSoc+FimVkxmKK+4NO1Lu3OtJKEx/YQ 0cWgJFN4TDg73SYMdAWwFnKnWEMDOyLtoI/6Rd5QR+nQW+9I8+0ARIKZQUFTJY/Nx6g0 Dh+s61vYbx4h8cofiz9iB3l9CMoZJAF025DOfbpGvTDO0dq3nFAjoABGm5t8a8YgWvQd 1Uwutnvn1ULYXA0zGDBdI+Eb2UPXgFjGtoVRzGpnAUio6PeseOngwh1PQrtBN25XWCtZ FSBA== X-Received: by 10.180.99.227 with SMTP id et3mr5874318wib.6.1359308590160; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.180.99.227 with SMTP id et3mr5874312wib.6.1359308590048; Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:43:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from skwd ([149.241.115.91]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id be1sm9002236wib.10.2013.01.27.09.43.08 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:43:09 -0800 (PST) From: Reuben Thomas To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:43:07 +0000 Message-ID: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQleB4ZQgqy4a1aQrS1MT7rSkOz1DG9Yl6gGwg71jyGDSPXjKLJY+azsc+o1/JCLrSlOHBCPobIif1P0Kp6g7OpqHPBQPIzS4F5XIj4DYy+Fv8vp1BKkJbmjMc1rtThNjNOgw49Ly6/RvC1UoJpZAqyd0iT6GUin4TlVMz/HwlqRYh50fuQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes=E2=80=99 work when I hit C-x C-c in remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. I can fix this particular problem by adding (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? Also, it doesn't help with hitting C-x k RET by mistake in a remember-mode buffer. Since pretty much by definition the user has entered remember-mode in order to write something that will be saved, maybe this is worth fixing? 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helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc9su-0002Xf-0U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 03:42:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55771) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc9sq-0002XY-RU for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 03:42:54 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uc9sK-0004lq-GR; Tue, 14 May 2013 03:42:20 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Spook: Area 51 jihad Leitrim Putin MD2 Adriatic Hugo Chavez X-Ran: Z?12.qG9iYm90H5lV1)KKgG (Reuben Thomas's message of "Sun, 27 Jan 2013 17:43:07 +0000") Message-ID: <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.5 (-------) Reuben Thomas wrote: > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. > > I can fix this particular problem by adding > > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) > > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? Sounds right, please apply. Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 07:41:20 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 11:41:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcDbb-0005ow-Qt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 07:41:20 -0400 Received: from exprod7og117.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.6]:47872) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcDbY-0005om-L5 for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 07:41:17 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com ([209.85.215.46]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob117.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZIiusL9RUByHDdNQXvci0VuJACuuaWc@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:40:44 PDT Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id fk20so410078lab.33 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=TE5hvZuwuhapPOxdiNnwPJnBpxqaRcm/Um/XK/iGO84=; b=HwAUevk9ETVU9ZiG5Xt1fhJOcIOWyehrb5GduM/vwcDMQnlJrjfSg1nKCtd5cJFG56 YfTrPEesHztfXBDVkNX/e1XxeBBSbBydME/4898SQcLLvpIMvJS+A7jYk+yeW7LkojLA SCq3rr8XCaalDtfw48jj9DQuXcyoLM/6WtdqUdZMLnw8rCheH5SsbpQk5RNQ92UZyltm 01gviNL1pNWojhFa2Zfn+0cjMaaUfiuhYQfEh3fk04vDa5LdHq/DYNBBdEN51yd/pUmm mVkS+rLmOzL2wdTfKiK6zHZ1MInhMr1qYGgGXQit6ipgDwNhdhwTDpThXMUdCob3mZSV MWWQ== X-Received: by 10.112.131.68 with SMTP id ok4mr15472021lbb.78.1368531641361; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.131.68 with SMTP id ok4mr15472013lbb.78.1368531641154; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 04:40:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34327055ce7104dcac1a5b X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlESlJQcmZOIm5SR+CNXVjyKcXsdY5uhXG0HlJQBuF/rLsYpgerpByZo04wgV+HA+TukXgUEQ0MCDsyYw7aRVMXHAlYedQsxBKUbtIVtNP/Ob6gQWaBOHpgvtewWIe4nWeLdUxpkn2wmpzu5Xg7uCf2HbWKZu7vUqa/Ozd+Mmi/EzsxZIk= X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --047d7b34327055ce7104dcac1a5b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a > > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is > > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in > > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. > > > > I can fix this particular problem by adding > > > > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) > > > > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? > > Sounds right, please apply. > Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to > kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --047d7b34327055ce7104dcac1a5b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">rgm@gnu.org> = wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a=
> prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This = is
> unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c.
>
> I can fix this particular problem by adding
>
> (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t))
>
> to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior?=

Sounds right, please apply.
Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions.

It seems to me that= it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the remember buffer,= as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative suggested here would= make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if exited), but I'd appre= ciate some guidance.

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--047d7b34327055ce7104dcac1a5b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 09:28:31 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 13:28:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcFHH-0001hH-UH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:28:28 -0400 Received: from exprod7og116.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.219]:60123) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcFHC-0001gw-Mc for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:28:25 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com ([209.85.215.54]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob116.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZI71D2vSuS3jrkzujGzvF8KMxOLkA6x@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:49 PDT Received: by mail-la0-f54.google.com with SMTP id fd20so513284lab.41 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=ibEhO+913QLpRfJBL8R2qd5f6gSf1bw7U3OGg8QzZ4w=; b=mjj1qF5eCrT4L80Yk9aZmoHTrhzjrQnIJLqxQoVo2vluXq5RXUi5BWQ4nrE33Ue5xn s8C0jp9pT752D5AcUouzPP3cz3seoDSeX+RYZZ6zeFfT7ftmUq6+dtw/WHTG7aSxk0rI PbhkHS6r3dpEPs/+Mcxw0wmS6KU3sziZmu65Qh87TfaEUU0MlDG1ejxHbDBlWFa6mIFI N4bfbBI/zVOQDZfoRN7EROcW93LvAkc9pAzrHK4X/P9WK8ty0+uFpDYyYWyBBx1c52uC j4GEu9+vYJLOV8Piq6GpNvB73ZAfUHlU4BqFny2CsM4pShjyzSvVd+KmQgbhPUb9xcht Li9g== X-Received: by 10.112.168.166 with SMTP id zx6mr5985757lbb.83.1368538068479; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.168.166 with SMTP id zx6mr5985743lbb.83.1368538068298; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 06:27:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86hai53dce.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <86hai53dce.fsf@somewhere.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:27:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Sebastien Vauban Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c334286c401304dcad99ce X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnM/rc14H0efLE9CuEoJkM7E3n9EkXU9Nw68TVr0bO3s3dsDuyjZAdvfoOos/ZSYrNMF3O/RIKnfS+9k2t9AW4fQcRCMECdp8gGwlsfpqlnQh57DV38XYxn5QeVQhMfb5c08+XwqbvcyzMMYRg38lkLBBRifWosh9uW4gbw/TVnLvQScx4= X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: Glenn Morris , 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --001a11c334286c401304dcad99ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 14:22, Sebastien Vauban wrote: > Hello, > > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: > >> Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> > >> > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a > >> > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This > is > >> > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in > >> > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. > >> > > >> > I can fix this particular problem by adding > >> > > >> > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) > >> > > >> > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? > >> > >> Sounds right, please apply. > >> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to > >> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. > >> > > > > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the > > remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative > > suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. > > Please note that `remember' has been replaced by `org-capture', at least > if we > speak of the same... > I think you mean "superseded", not "replaced": remember.el is still in Emacs bazaar. Yes, I'm aware of it, but presumably as long as remember.el is still included with Emacs it's acceptable to fix bugs in it? And since org-capture is not, as far as I know, based on remember, there is no reason to suspect that bugs in remember will be mirrored in org-capture? --001a11c334286c401304dcad99ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 14:22, Sebastien Vauban &= lt;sva-news@my= googlest.com> wrote:
Hello,

Reuben Thomas wrote:
> On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris <= rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Reuben Thomas wrote:
>>
>> > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does no= t cause a
>> > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsav= ed. This is
>> > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x = C-c in
>> > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c.
>> >
>> > I can fix this particular problem by adding
>> >
>> > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t))
>> >
>> > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default = behavior?
>>
>> Sounds right, please apply.
>> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-final= ize to
>> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions.
>>
>
> It seems to me that it's more consis= tent to make Emacs prompt to save the
> remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative=
> suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance.

Please note that `remember' has been replaced by `org-capture'= ;, at least if we
speak of the same...

I think you mean &= quot;superseded", not "replaced": remember.el is still in Em= acs bazaar. Yes, I'm aware of it, but presumably as long as remember.el= is still included with Emacs it's acceptable to fix bugs in it? And si= nce org-capture is not, as far as I know, based on remember, there is no re= ason to suspect that bugs in remember will be mirrored in org-capture?
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On 14 May 2013 15:57, Sebastien Vauban &= lt;sva-news@my= googlest.com> wrote:
I just wanted to direct you toward a better = and more recent implementation.
But, sure, if you use the other one, and it's buggy, it should be fixed= , as
long it's still around, in the official code base.

You're quite right, and indeed I did try = capture some time ago, couldn't immediately make it do what I wanted, a= nd left a FIXME in my Emacs setup to return to the problem at some later da= te.

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--001a11c23b1c112b8f04dcaee522-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 11:47:53 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 15:47:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHSA-0007i5-9B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:47:52 -0400 Received: from 81-188-7-133.sdsl.easynet.be ([81.188.7.133]:56318 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcFCk-0001Su-O7 for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:23:49 -0400 Received: from MUNDANEUM. (unknown [10.10.10.51]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D023D501266; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:23:12 +0200 (CEST) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 15:22:57 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:41 +0100") Message-ID: <86hai53dce.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hello, Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Reuben Thomas wrote: >> >> > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a >> > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is >> > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in >> > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. >> > >> > I can fix this particular problem by adding >> > >> > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) >> > >> > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? >> >> Sounds right, please apply. >> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to >> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. >> > > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the > remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative > suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. [...] Content analysis details: (1.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP TVD_RCVD_IP 0.8 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) -0.0 BAYES_20 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 5 to 20% [score: 0.1989] 1.0 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:47:48 -0400 Cc: Glenn Morris , 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Hello, Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Reuben Thomas wrote: >> >> > The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a >> > prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is >> > unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in >> > remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. >> > >> > I can fix this particular problem by adding >> > >> > (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) >> > >> > to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? >> >> Sounds right, please apply. >> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to >> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. >> > > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the > remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative > suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. Please note that `remember' has been replaced by `org-capture', at least if we speak of the same... Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 11:47:55 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 15:47:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40199 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHSD-0007iD-82 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:47:54 -0400 Received: from 81-188-7-133.sdsl.easynet.be ([81.188.7.133]:56381 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcGgb-0005h4-B4 for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 10:58:43 -0400 Received: from MUNDANEUM. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 14:22, Sebastien Vauban wrote: >> Reuben Thomas wrote: >>> On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: >>>> Reuben Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a >>>>> prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is >>>>> unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in >>>>> remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. >>>>> >>>>> I can fix this particular problem by adding >>>>> >>>>> (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) >>>>> >>>>> to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? >>>> >>>> Sounds right, please apply. >>>> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to >>>> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. >>> >>> It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the >>> remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative >>> suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if >>> exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. >> >> Please note that `remember' has been replaced by `org-capture', at least if >> we speak of the same... > > I think you mean "superseded", not "replaced": [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP TVD_RCVD_IP 0.8 SPF_NEUTRAL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (neutral) -0.5 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 1 to 5% [score: 0.0320] 1.0 RDNS_DYNAMIC Delivered to internal network by host with dynamic-looking rDNS X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:47:48 -0400 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 14:22, Sebastien Vauban wrote: >> Reuben Thomas wrote: >>> On 14 May 2013 08:42, Glenn Morris wrote: >>>> Reuben Thomas wrote: >>>> >>>>> The *Remember* buffer, as a non-file-visiting buffer, does not cause a >>>>> prompt when you kill it or exit Emacs with the contents unsaved. This is >>>>> unfortunate: I just lost 15 minutes' work when I hit C-x C-c in >>>>> remember-mode by mistake instead of C-c C-c. >>>>> >>>>> I can fix this particular problem by adding >>>>> >>>>> (lambda nil (setq buffer-offer-save t)) >>>>> >>>>> to remember-mode-hook, but shouldn't this be the default behavior? >>>> >>>> Sounds right, please apply. >>>> Or maybe (I don't use remember) you want to add remember-finalize to >>>> kill-emacs-hook or kill-emacs-query-functions. >>> >>> It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the >>> remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative >>> suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if >>> exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. >> >> Please note that `remember' has been replaced by `org-capture', at least if >> we speak of the same... > > I think you mean "superseded", not "replaced": Yes, you're right. > remember.el is still in Emacs bazaar. Yes, I'm aware of it, but presumably > as long as remember.el is still included with Emacs it's acceptable to fix > bugs in it? And since org-capture is not, as far as I know, based on > remember, there is no reason to suspect that bugs in remember will be > mirrored in org-capture? I just wanted to direct you toward a better and more recent implementation. But, sure, if you use the other one, and it's buggy, it should be fixed, as long it's still around, in the official code base. 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(ip-83-101-44-240.customer.schedom-europe.net [83.101.44.240]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7803A501266; Tue, 14 May 2013 17:12:16 +0200 (CEST) From: "Sebastien Vauban" To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember Organization: Sebastien Vauban References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <86hai53dce.fsf@somewhere.org> <86mwrxk3rq.fsf@somewhere.org> X-Url: Under construction... X-Archive: encrypt Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:12:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 May 2013 16:00:32 +0100") Message-ID: <8661ylzjcs.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 15:57, Sebastien Vauban wrote: > >> I just wanted to direct you toward a better and more recent implementation. >> But, sure, if you use the other one, and it's buggy, it should be fixed, as >> long it's still around, in the official code base. > > You're quite right, and indeed I did try capture some time ago, couldn't > immediately make it do what I wanted, and left a FIXME in my Emacs setup to > return to the problem at some later date. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Reuben Thomas wrote: > On 14 May 2013 15:57, Sebastien Vauban wrote: > >> I just wanted to direct you toward a better and more recent implementation. >> But, sure, if you use the other one, and it's buggy, it should be fixed, as >> long it's still around, in the official code base. > > You're quite right, and indeed I did try capture some time ago, couldn't > immediately make it do what I wanted, and left a FIXME in my Emacs setup to > return to the problem at some later date. 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Best regards, Seb -- Sebastien Vauban From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 11:55:38 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 15:55:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40226 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHZe-000826-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38267) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHZc-00081v-4c for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:55:33 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHZ3-0006cv-P3; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:54:57 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: SEAL Team 6 Leuken-Baden anthrax AIEWS eavesdropping wire X-Ran: mWxBtL5.2'muSUm+n{czmVA\0trqeog1]?Kxb<5V[B7t\R`yo_TU*u:RQ:gQOsi<;2 X-Hue: cyan X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 11:54:57 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 May 2013 12:40:41 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.5 (-------) Reuben Thomas wrote: > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the > remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative > suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. Maybe you want to associate it with a real file name? Then it will get auto-save protection, etc. Probably some temp-name (so that multiple instances do not clash) in ~/.emacs.d, that gets deleted when you call remember-finalize? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 12:06:10 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 16:06:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40245 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHjr-0008Tp-NK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:06:09 -0400 Received: from exprod7og116.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.219]:58191) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHjo-0008Te-JA for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:06:06 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com ([209.85.217.176]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob116.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZJgyTGCLeMDxQn0CSgdTcxiFCdKOTYq@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:05:31 PDT Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id x10so814210lbi.21 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=VTaEjVdu6SHAFPku9XNtN5QDR7Trkv35JKLb5aM4840=; b=P/VvjDXwuB0JzLYWE9cfXgSG5mvNrHG7p/mYv/AWREeDLLK+XqPOg3ZSRrMyK8V5r8 vUXo2jujAahqBROTA1wkqINr4peQdkCAAmvSR3bn4jopaQs2K3VNjVpgSPuZ8Z8Km1yE FnbcfEs8ie7G0gLX4tgNYWgpzyCUirDJZdFZUAk6j3bDB8vc/fSli47x9aiPEX8Zz05W 3b0grX8d9ctJ/wNCKvtjVRldnf6hL+omr9pCmk0q8hAT6dk/Ewf2zXUhx41aUcDpcytm rBQD6Q5mzcnZ0GHYzUFEpZhs40V7dqqTb3jDFnu0+P3GRO6jPUxypAJApAQI9lPfaOYP MbOw== X-Received: by 10.112.160.226 with SMTP id xn2mr15465652lbb.16.1368547528333; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.160.226 with SMTP id xn2mr15465643lbb.16.1368547528187; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:05:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:05:28 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37c4446b2c604dcafcd88 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm8f9obbDD39IYIvbkHTT2uY0uxob3xE4yF6TJyzaK/KvqtdMEbhyjRImF7Lu7RtX/1l3fr4HsNvOIOPUnI6ZRLX1prnpYjdvi7LTgbKRxIl0fcE1mJS5NslT7jVlNGtUh3KgrVxdmvnyvJeQX9/jZvjOwCSP9o1lpNBlQlzoChEZ2foq4= X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --001a11c37c4446b2c604dcafcd88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 16:54, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > > It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to save the > > remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative > > suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance. > > Maybe you want to associate it with a real file name? > Then it will get auto-save protection, etc. > Probably some temp-name (so that multiple instances do not clash) in > ~/.emacs.d, that gets deleted when you call remember-finalize? > Thanks for the extra suggestion. Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate issue, unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfinalized remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or some other session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea. In any case, as Sebastian has pointed out, remember is effectively obsolescent; this sounds like it might be over-complicated for a minimal fix. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c37c4446b2c604dcafcd88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 16:54, Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">rgm@gnu.org> = wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> It seems to me that it's more consistent to make Emacs prompt to s= ave the
> remember buffer, as it does for other unsaved buffers (the alternative=
> suggested here would make Emacs silently save the remember buffer if > exited), but I'd appreciate some guidance.

Maybe you want to associate it with a real file name?
Then it will get auto-save protection, etc.
Probably some temp-name (so that multiple instances do not clash) in
~/.emacs.d, that gets deleted when you call remember-finalize?

Thanks for the extr= a suggestion.

Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separ= ate issue, unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an= unfinalized remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which c= ould be confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or = some other session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good= idea.

In any case, as Sebastian has pointed = out, remember is effectively obsolescent; this sounds like it might be over= -complicated for a minimal fix.

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--001a11c37c4446b2c604dcafcd88-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 12:15:23 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 16:15:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40249 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHsp-0000OO-6i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:15:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38735) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHsm-0000O6-Aj for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:15:22 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UcHsD-00048X-Ul; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: unclassified Lexis-Nexis Perl-RSA PLO arrangements csim X-Ran: }4`u78E%K~Ax9deUbjh0Ayh"!?{%~_PI}Wtg/{a-|&c0rI&X(kv36},[W$j~$$;-k?Li_Z X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 12:14:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 May 2013 17:05:28 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.5 (-------) Reuben Thomas wrote: > Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate issue, > unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfinalized > remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be > confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or some other > session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea. Maybe use write-contents-functions to make saving actually finalize. > In any case, as Sebastian has pointed out, remember is effectively > obsolescent; this sounds like it might be over-complicated for a minimal > fix. It's a shame to see existing small functionality reimplemented by a mammoth package. But if no-one cares enough to do anything about it, that's how it is I suppose. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 12:45:07 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 16:45:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcILa-0001WB-IX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:45:07 -0400 Received: from exprod7og116.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.219]:44087) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcILU-0001VN-5B for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:45:04 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com ([209.85.217.179]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob116.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZJp6YYkUqdoOapV3TeiklaZzPZunQpT@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:26 PDT Received: by mail-lb0-f179.google.com with SMTP id d10so847248lbj.24 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=NSLErcrM9nh6VAL+lvZGd7xwDzOd/HtvAbaxlOJ0iFA=; b=ULkN92GztuDU+fWjgTxHxBXMN1ZoAaKHkKlvtpZvVbB9dCQlGm3s4PBcmUX3CTn9ya E5AFKC4q5vVcJ/2T4OSyXfKN/NULOr4pHyBax2TKni3DO2CrFlXC17llGbYGEGjaejPj kE9HTZlp1kvmS1Dstxnu+PWdglkqKYVJkqaVML788MYoDTEaw2WYJQMHSjo+vUtCcpTp Mdd7t2lTPcQ03vzF0thslTy9f/z+CH+78uOZQpp5lFpkQopcQwOGbUrVgDXMrq9NfJ3j 3et6GF7h1oB8/XiWfYyfTu54pjQbu5xaQwOyI7mxi2ZSoyCTLdtTNhbPi9bhzorZuzHo NRzg== X-Received: by 10.112.160.226 with SMTP id xn2mr15542697lbb.16.1368549865013; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.160.226 with SMTP id xn2mr15542691lbb.16.1368549864889; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlWvo0+s3gEYKuxqRvN9WMm39dsvy5qHhtZ+/AkzgnHAspzHhjOQ2F9gAzEJ7wSyB6/a4GUjRq3mrH2i7TWMGqRHanriWFzY3bkGNX5oDKbAsZq+mH25zsmMrEuwRXSwwEF7PuVINmwLLtqWaWxhDC3TzPiBqz0zFJXcBkwJW2sf43Zso8= X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 17:14, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > > Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate issue, > > unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfinalized > > remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be > > confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or some other > > session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea. > > Maybe use write-contents-functions to make saving actually finalize. > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function "remember". Your suggestions taken together seem to involve multiple changes to achieve a) the same result as mine and b) auto-save protection, which seems worthwhile if it's similarly simple. > It's a shame to see existing small functionality reimplemented by a > mammoth package. But if no-one cares enough to do anything about it, > that's how it is I suppose. > I'm not sure it makes a lot of difference if org-capture is as simple to use, since org-mode is shipped as part of Emacs. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 17:14, Glenn Morris <<= a href=3D"mailto:rgm@gnu.org" target=3D"_blank">rgm@gnu.org> = wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> Auto-save protection would be nice, but that seems like a separate iss= ue,
> unless you're also suggesting that the prompt-on-exit for an unfin= alized
> remember buffer should be to save in a temporary file (which could be<= br> > confusing, especially for a user who doesn't use desktop.el or som= e other
> session support), in which case I'm not sure it's a good idea.=

Maybe use write-contents-functions to make saving actually finalize.<= br>

Could you summarize what you're sug= gesting now, please? I previously suggested one change, to add (setq buffer= -offer-save t) to the function "remember". Your suggestions taken= together seem to involve multiple changes to achieve a) the same result as= mine and b) auto-save protection, which seems worthwhile if it's simil= arly simple.
=A0
It's a shame to see existing small functionality reimplemented by= a
mammoth package. But if no-one cares enough to do anything about it,
that's how it is I suppose.

I'm not sure it= makes a lot of difference if org-capture is as simple to use, since org-mo= de is shipped as part of Emacs.

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--001a11c37c448df21a04dcb058b3-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 13:11:33 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 17:11:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcIlB-0002Ty-PX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:11:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcIl9-0002Tq-DO for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:11:32 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UcIka-0000du-MC; Tue, 14 May 2013 13:10:56 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: SHA eavesdropping pre-emptive CID arrangements KGB X-Ran: o+Huh6[-eG_Xt^#>lnYw+x!&mJH]7%L,jN_fTQf<$"jj{<2aC@Vmfau#dGcQ"(5/x[V[hj X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 13:10:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Tue, 14 May 2013 17:44:24 +0100") Message-ID: <8a7gj1a3mn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.6 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.5 (-------) Reuben Thomas wrote: > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously > suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function > "remember". Which I said was fine, and that you should install. If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 14:10:48 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 18:10:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcJgV-0002gq-So for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:10:48 -0400 Received: from exprod7og109.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.171]:39757) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcJgS-0002gV-Up for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 14:10:46 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob109.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZJ+ItIXtO5a6nHtTje1nkc3TC2rf5LJ@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:10:44 PDT Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id eo20so864598lab.40 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=znjvDQ/gevH3q8MXXsSscJMUrRFrFR/2T2y2XxMtWlk=; b=UbgnsAAThhIa5wpPkD5fLGmBznhU7PG2aX6S19h33I/XAwD13nOIWhcsNRR0a18bhU E2hDcHSrvMgSxCUFZN5NZ2Gxk/hLf9vgh/6KwpOHqHuSPZYojuWBrZPH9/XY3Hu1LbJS i+E0xWm6lr/sn96Sn/jkxRkZrxeyOBSo1eP4Zu8NGuYh+Yfji+p8us8B8TKiod27YD2j AJEX4z7G8FPgH5Cpt8SRdoDVYsl93+BWepfFF4CV7pxtNhDfeH7DNsOAm071hjixKnin 0qbwF317Y8BW7tcGVOubt1YaDza1FBEhzEkBNgA/S69Tz+nUIAqkoz7nzw6wUa9ElToR dwjw== X-Received: by 10.152.26.106 with SMTP id k10mr11629792lag.23.1368555041441; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.26.106 with SMTP id k10mr11629786lag.23.1368555041315; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 11:10:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8a7gj1a3mn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8a7gj1a3mn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 19:10:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160b4fe17ee0704dcb18dad X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmzNilq5qHw/QRI/BUUqpr64w2b6mTFf8gYxD5puGPi8hxl1fHFWy3TklP2FSNoY/AkQbsJZ8sNKktdULOcsuGH6bRlH1KSpRFVZKD/npJvtg3iEL9aewDHvQ6LE+bj9yzLxK/iZpDr/y9TBVw0PVeG0sf2iBqoq/pfTpWOOLarzuoQIoE= X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --089e0160b4fe17ee0704dcb18dad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris wrote: > Reuben Thomas wrote: > > > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously > > suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function > > "remember". > > Which I said was fine, and that you should install. > If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this. > Thanks, will do. Thank you also for your additional suggestions: it was useful to have alternatives with which to compare my idea. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e0160b4fe17ee0704dcb18dad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 4 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previous= ly
> suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the functio= n
> "remember".

Which I said was fine, and that you should install.
If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this.

Thanks, will do. Th= ank you also for your additional suggestions: it was useful to have alterna= tives with which to compare my idea.

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--089e0160b4fe17ee0704dcb18dad-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 15:53:47 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 19:53:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44528 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLIB-0006Ij-KF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:53:47 -0400 Received: from exprod7og121.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.20]:33646) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLI9-0006IV-F1 for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:53:46 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f45.google.com ([209.85.215.45]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob121.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZKWRzxUnZfGINuE028LCPE25UalHqPB@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:53:44 PDT Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id ec20so665287lab.4 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Yuz3n5KT1ETa154Q4E0RvB7bDcJQlIdd32tEiapFCmQ=; b=AVMS/dnvYOngVL30tnXJ4CM2bs7lN84s/4CkmLo8x5hleGmmVmX33FjE6y2vpzt6W6 yX24coE2jbQxBq+IoLdfOuX47LYMHHbRPE4SZ31WC/3kmL/9A8IpQpO2rC4F34AKY3zG /BJKlJE2jOvtk1Ex+Ob0MpUkLz4znQAxNW1yWloSm5x+RwM2wYg5rCwZUupTuBB7oKYQ XWNK0BP9ZoZrBl0rs5Jc7ZLyqomMMwCIE2Izn17e5HbVYW/9zx33zYwJoYdGuiwHBp9e QwASoUX0Noe94GdC6zwr33zAjVbkT4sGNbRALLRQReSriIj4A0WD6jC4NiBUlz6DWOaY UxuA== X-Received: by 10.112.133.200 with SMTP id pe8mr15910799lbb.50.1368561222948; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.133.200 with SMTP id pe8mr15910792lbb.50.1368561222796; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:53:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8a7gj1a3mn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:53:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b34336089dc0504dcb2fd88 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnJoPVmRDHl5/Ts3RCjT3ncTaRtQZ9h0UqNbxJOjpw3BLNJ9qgWOGwaFkLR5aZkU/SZu8uSQq/8uSahbyKKjtmpJQpFI1gQWEjLxE1tYjQN4rJJxzzw6XA0OMLjg90QZDWoYcDt/TFrcCXKfzPzWYubHmXEmnZnJRqLcbpm3r7ABiNnWcI= X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --047d7b34336089dc0504dcb2fd88 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 19:10, Reuben Thomas wrote: > > On 14 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris wrote: > >> Reuben Thomas wrote: >> >> > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously >> > suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function >> > "remember". >> >> Which I said was fine, and that you should install. >> If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this. >> > > Thanks, will do. Thank you also for your additional suggestions: it was > useful to have alternatives with which to compare my idea. > Apologies, I think I've messed up the commit, and pushed a change with an empty log message (finger trouble: I hit C-c C-c and committed instead of C-c C-a to pull in the changelog message). Is there some way to fix this mistake? -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --047d7b34336089dc0504dcb2fd88 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 14 May 2013 19:10, Reuben Thomas <= rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

On 14 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previous= ly
> suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the functio= n
> "remember".

Which I said was fine, and that you should install.
If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this.

Thanks,= will do. Thank you also for your additional suggestions: it was useful to = have alternatives with which to compare my idea.
<= br>
Apologies, I think I've messed up the commit, and pushed = a change with an empty log message (finger trouble: I hit C-c C-c and commi= tted instead of C-c C-a to pull in the changelog message).

Is there some way to fix t= his mistake?

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--047d7b34336089dc0504dcb2fd88-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 14 15:56:47 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2013 19:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44534 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLL5-0006Oz-74 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:56:47 -0400 Received: from exprod7og111.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.175]:38990) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UcLL1-0006Ok-WD for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 May 2013 15:56:45 -0400 Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com ([209.85.217.171]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob111.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKUZKW+V0LNOsxVFK4TLQ81fGg01XkaRqw@postini.com; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:56:42 PDT Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id v20so1073217lbc.30 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=8teO3S5gqBeIKHkdv3SNI47k+Hn/2ay6mcmE9Mb76Fw=; b=ay4rtZWzAOy6v9O7fVAttIvL/xzoly1aOn3MFubHvwnH/2dNU5cCif5has03FQ94y4 sxrns8Orlz2IbKO8eFBtZBb/2Z14wrFzLLFDwlDut8lvi8n+pC5j8pL4bAYiFyI9imex 6n5eP3NeuNTkNm5w/BEDp3I3qfnxbsLniE9hIMawROV5kxzVwvMFlw2xVThRJcJGoDrv MnTpusnoJzbV7Gdwd+d+y31OzElFT5jNArU6pamOy0cNo1dzvw6G5tFH92ZAlmSeFWCq kULne2hUKYogtr56UxkLgJ4HZ8uc4FUXBHqzOPT+LxJhc7h5tRZ+WEOqteZtqqFJvKYk cH0A== X-Received: by 10.152.19.199 with SMTP id h7mr16432903lae.22.1368561401440; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.19.199 with SMTP id h7mr16432898lae.22.1368561401300; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.19.2 with HTTP; Tue, 14 May 2013 12:56:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> <764ne680tf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8a7gj1a3mn.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 20:56:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: 24.1; Too easy to forget things with remember From: Reuben Thomas To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e014942aa2d96a504dcb30850 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQljM/mzOZP2ZGB6+ra47yjQL5WyZD7f1G9FKVvBKG7Nr4nnAXL5/vCO7kSf7bQFcCu6uabNzrygGQ6vy1kIgIgiKUrKIhtG8gKLN31iCf9kSPsxLDGczTBt8A/n33hvg8wTLAvLTBglafV4yfjWtaAc+Twwby4NGE+C8F967WlrX7H+Gzk= X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) --089e014942aa2d96a504dcb30850 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 14 May 2013 20:53, Reuben Thomas wrote: > > On 14 May 2013 19:10, Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> >> On 14 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris wrote: >> >>> Reuben Thomas wrote: >>> >>> > Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previously >>> > suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the function >>> > "remember". >>> >>> Which I said was fine, and that you should install. >>> If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this. >>> >> >> Thanks, will do. Thank you also for your additional suggestions: it was >> useful to have alternatives with which to compare my idea. >> > > Apologies, I think I've messed up the commit, and pushed a change with an > empty log message (finger trouble: I hit C-c C-c and committed instead of > C-c C-a to pull in the changelog message). > > Is there some way to fix this mistake? > (I tried to uncommit and recommit, but the bug number was no longer recognized. I guess also that would have rewritten the history of the public repository, not a good idea. But since a commit that refers to a non-existent bug can automatically refused, could commits with empty log messages also be automatically refused? This would especially help hackers more accustomed, like me, to git, which refuses empty commit messages by default.) -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e014942aa2d96a504dcb30850 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 1= 4 May 2013 20:53, Reuben Thomas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

On 14 May 2013 19:10, Reuben Th= omas <rrt@sc3d.org> wrote:

On 14 May 2013 18:10, Glenn Morris <rgm@gnu.org> wrote:=
Reuben Thomas wrote:

> Could you summarize what you're suggesting now, please? I previous= ly
> suggested one change, to add (setq buffer-offer-save t) to the functio= n
> "remember".

Which I said was fine, and that you should install.
If you think nothing more is needed, please install it and close this.

Thanks,= will do. Thank you also for your additional suggestions: it was useful to = have alternatives with which to compare my idea.

Apologies, I think I've messed up the commit, and pushed a cha= nge with an empty log message (finger trouble: I hit C-c C-c and committed = instead of C-c C-a to pull in the changelog message).

Is there some way to fix t= his mistake?

(I tried to uncommit and recommit, but the bug number was no longer recogni= zed. I guess also that would have rewritten the history of the public repos= itory, not a good idea. But since a commit that refers to a non-existent bu= g can automatically refused, could commits with empty log messages also be = automatically refused? This would especially help hackers more accustomed, = like me, to git, which refuses empty commit messages by default.)

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--089e014942aa2d96a504dcb30850-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 19:08:47 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2013 23:08:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56106 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VWwgP-0004C2-TW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:08:46 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f48.google.com ([209.85.215.48]:51518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VWwgM-0004Bl-RF for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 19:08:44 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f48.google.com with SMTP id er20so68323lab.21 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:08:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3YYeoGSlDqfUB2+UfQlcwowjSRL/dtoncKByTre2PhM=; b=SGjLtoBV+zWwpZ25RqJWLk5Ck2B3i8r/9AtktUvFiCj1ltWffxaw/B4ih0u8cFkoma R/eMRbVTXzigEoBVUO4qKvtQlHdj1//+aw6GPmk7Q2CobtjKVeR4C9B55vz2B7btps5o IZOrulUHQ5rQ5AFl1GdTuN/XDi5GtmPcO2III= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=3YYeoGSlDqfUB2+UfQlcwowjSRL/dtoncKByTre2PhM=; b=alVFPNlslQTXfLgtTxg0/fQFZOTcQmA6xiKScNCgpj2MsMYMpmh+TkXAXDWTmDkWmR mvsRkfhsiUoizas8xnHhlSD5a+vokm1gCtXPPhwMitauKjf4MCm4ze8WShqNU8gXyYBv k99ZnB+DQtKsaInNV8xF6q/E2m2rbTs5tM8Rl7YFtq8cR1MWX6lSm7Zl3kuNvHpxmRkX /dkm60lfTAa+58vmBWDhjXcDdDI5Oc9EWs1bWK+VwP+DiBpKPszT3ivA69z5T1D4PzSx weYCkK7lqZKYorm4O6IsPHpUxIr3Dd8DxZbQ8BL2vi3n+acQHYDhsxpoCPGoerGkwKl4 lcqw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnu1DPMuKsopLQyZbG0p5UZpsuolZ4QLrxb0PRRp44qekrZ3w3gkCChqTIKt23DHbUfcFeF MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.198.39 with SMTP id iz7mr187686lbc.24.1382051316657; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.228.135 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:08:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:08:36 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Commit made From: Reuben Thomas To: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c233eaca7f0b04e8f7e522 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c233eaca7f0b04e8f7e522 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. I've just made it again. As before, bzr refuses to hear about my reference to the bug number, since it's already closed, so I hereby state that the bug is closed by commit revno 114702. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c233eaca7f0b04e8f7e522 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem= to stick. I've just made it again. As before, bzr refuses to hear abou= t my reference to the bug number, since it's already closed, so I hereb= y state that the bug is closed by commit revno 114702.
--001a11c233eaca7f0b04e8f7e522-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 21:18:19 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 01:18:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VWyhm-0007M7-4h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:18:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:34461 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VWyhk-0007Lz-BU for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:18:16 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWyhi-0006YM-Tt; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:18:15 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: Commit made References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> X-Spook: lock picking Ortega White Water Iran Forte Semtex threat X-Ran: N(/UKK9DUM0q}+Hy:$y_Teni-J-|=*H\&*:Dt\6)]_nudp$n0(b9V<=0weLr[>4g&l<@{_ X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) Reuben Thomas wrote: > I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. I've just > made it again. As before, bzr refuses to hear about my reference to the bug > number, since it's already closed, so I hereby state that the bug is closed > by commit revno 114702. (Sorry, I missed the prior mails.) FYI, you haven't committed anything to Savannah. Also this bug report is still open. To close it, you would send mail to 13566-done@debbugs. (Bzr has no knowledge of/interest in/control over whether a bug is opened or closed, so I don't understand what you are saying.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 22:57:50 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 02:57:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56259 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX0G4-0001LK-SQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:50 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:63165) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX0G1-0001L4-6b for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:45 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCqev/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFFMCqev/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjBQsLDiYSFBgNJIgeBsEtkQoDpHqBXoMT X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="35779807" Received: from 76-10-167-175.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([76.10.167.175]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 17 Oct 2013 22:57:38 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id A700063033; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: Commit made Message-ID: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:57:38 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:08:36 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) > I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. What makes you think so? What command have you executed, what results did you get? You know, the usual bug-report routine, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 00:05:09 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 04:05:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX1JE-0002zx-SD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:05:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36158 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX1JB-0002zo-Dh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:05:05 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VX1JA-0000jF-KO for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:05:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 00:05:04 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 13566 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) close 13566 24.4 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 04:46:08 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 08:46:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX5h9-0004sn-84 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:46:07 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f53.google.com ([209.85.215.53]:54105) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX5h4-0004sB-KG for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 04:46:03 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f53.google.com with SMTP id eo20so344002lab.40 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=gEqiXsc3VVHTF5NbsD4kfkXtsli8ecoiSCKg0L/NWck=; b=e0szAunZ9PSrPREhDvikAIjzHoCe2kGgZGdF7S2DXjQtX8fxfMxJrILsAT/AOmZrXh Cma8+pZR7urCwiVI9edp2SNFNgH934Artd3bQX8Oeq3gt0GOKgaTTsBrvUZYqmHjbL0m nHnWif4aPng5HBK7VJhv2e7RWozxjR+sL5lL4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=gEqiXsc3VVHTF5NbsD4kfkXtsli8ecoiSCKg0L/NWck=; b=c3t3+TKSN5UC958grnf4HOlvUUMCcC3KYe1OGDwoXREND2tW1D4QNVXCgOfCWqxPLQ aQe97JEHMkWqDIXZlfLr09sPMPCzn/yHOCQMz/M7M/xnlhPH+yYtHOT8QV0XYpvspVno mbjYINTfsEaV09X+CU86uk0jStKmYSpfwl+y19wrZ886OXV0GAi1Lj9rUBfdw18IFuGh oGysht8xTU88v63SilbK2aicXQ/0/gjsjrYNy/2VB9ZEtB5SMTmBFsiPfjCI/b/4xRC2 MlWh2rZDBPV4QrRWaXeJ8qlf3+j8bTTkmLxWaMUxqsxX7qJ38oQnqdWoRRIk+pjfizKk Gkbg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmnxrGzHs4yT39wU0qpJx74BSa2+GoBSQTPqYcV5fHzHyZO8c88oCUBbbx1PdF5AgLetd+Z MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.64.36 with SMTP id l4mr1628808lbs.15.1382085956423; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.228.135 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 01:45:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:45:56 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: Commit made From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3eee47b5e9704e8fff642 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --001a11c3eee47b5e9704e8fff642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 18 October 2013 03:57, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. > > What makes you think so? > It did not appear on Savannah. What command have you executed, what results did you get? > You know, the usual bug-report routine, > I did not attempt to report a bug, since instead I redid the process. I'm sure I did something wrong, and there was no bug. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --001a11c3eee47b5e9704e8fff642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
On 18 October 2013 03:57, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
> I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick.

What makes you think so?

It did not appear on Savannah.

What command have you executed, what results did you get?
You know, the usual bug-report routine,

I did not attempt to report a bug, since instead I redid the process. I'm sure I did something wrong, and there was no bug.

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--001a11c3eee47b5e9704e8fff642-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 08:59:39 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 12:59:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56643 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX9eV-00040v-6a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:59:39 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:17038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX9eT-00040g-Hf for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:59:37 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+J2C/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IPAS-Result: Av4EABK/CFHO+J2C/2dsb2JhbABEvw4Xc4IeAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiB4GwS2RCgOkeoFegxM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,565,1355115600"; d="scan'208";a="35798112" Received: from 206-248-157-130.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.157.130]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 18 Oct 2013 08:59:31 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id ABD3B611E3; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:59:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Reuben Thomas Subject: Re: bug#13566: Commit made Message-ID: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 08:59:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:45:56 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) >> > I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. >> What makes you think so? > It did not appear on Savannah. >> What command have you executed, what results did you get? >> You know, the usual bug-report routine, > I did not attempt to report a bug, since instead I redid the process. > I'm sure I did something wrong, and there was no bug. Many bug-reports are like that. The same info is needed to help you find the part that was wrong. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 09:05:37 2013 Received: (at 13566) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2013 13:05:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX9kG-0004D1-4O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:05:36 -0400 Received: from mail-la0-f46.google.com ([209.85.215.46]:65315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VX9kC-0004Cg-R9 for 13566@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 09:05:34 -0400 Received: by mail-la0-f46.google.com with SMTP id eh20so665893lab.19 for <13566@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sc3d.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=bE3kGCwSQQaRFfnl6PMjp/LzfFCbR0sHiTqEjpOBtvw=; b=vo8XYEVPyPm50xcR+KxQ728f9Rz9S9k3lk7F+HCNVDYESHizZ721zvTTOj+K+6QvDM J7+OIllK8f9ObgPuWjEOEhY2nu04Vhhwp/LwhLP8nKYwhkNhjh+eUJGwJmY8Gx3RQo0R 4bJ53j7voum1ACD1DL8gJAvSkL89GngUTfvcM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=bE3kGCwSQQaRFfnl6PMjp/LzfFCbR0sHiTqEjpOBtvw=; b=ICwOEjzDskxvPrWVAwXA1IwZxrhjFY91ualF1/qHtoxpvrmUBT0rODNxdqYVGrdIVJ iW1UtcQRY6HcFQbviE8iXeqbGd8LS8sD0oDmtzk9tGZCbesPWw8tXnGl2vhdDZs2sGdF GGkbSXnViw03yvn/25SGNivdArKlyXrUpBCsnuN3pDoLPhJCBWsE+RY6a34ou6rf1H8m YkzrtOVDa0fJ8bq8kUo8Kj4SHuoR3Ndxn4XwDRkeQmgRGbcStF0xviZvyLXRHsxxeWFt llMHmvU3iz6s6G3SSi2kINM7e0cN/l5T8OtMP4AL4RgZsFPf8mCY286xHaAMdSCiBdRw X5/w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkkHH3+mJbtTl9Qru99R/11Esv7CG5uwPAFlBfU367mVqoURiJ9+2zBFfKzr9TxW7WHAHsS MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.26.72 with SMTP id j8mr2428943lag.19.1382101526600; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.228.135 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <87vcai5xp0.fsf@sc3d.org> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:05:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13566: Commit made From: Reuben Thomas To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160c36e896c9c04e90396bc X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13566 Cc: 13566@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --089e0160c36e896c9c04e90396bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 18 October 2013 13:59, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> > I'm not sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick. > >> What makes you think so? > > It did not appear on Savannah. > >> What command have you executed, what results did you get? > >> You know, the usual bug-report routine, > > I did not attempt to report a bug, since instead I redid the process. > > I'm sure I did something wrong, and there was no bug. > > Many bug-reports are like that. The same info is needed to help you > find the part that was wrong. > Since I didn't realise something had gone wrong until some months later, it seemed more profitable simply to redo than to attempt to reconstruct what I did wrong on this occasion; but I take your point. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org --089e0160c36e896c9c04e90396bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 18 October 2013 13:59, Stefan Monnier <monnier@= iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> > I'm not = sure what happened, but my commit did not seem to stick.
>> What makes you think so?
> It did not appear on Savannah.
>> What command have you executed, what results did you get?
>> You know, the usual bug-report routine,
> I did not attempt to report a bug, since instead I redid the process.<= br> > I'm sure I did something wrong, and there was no bug.

Many bug-reports are like that. =A0The same info is needed to help yo= u
find the part that was wrong.

Since I d= idn't realise something had gone wrong until some months later, it seem= ed more profitable simply to redo than to attempt to reconstruct what I did= wrong on this occasion; but I take your point.

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