From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:10:17 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13554 <13554@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13554 <13554@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt Reply-To: bug#13554 <13554@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:10:17 +0000 retitle 13554 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt reassign 13554 emacs submitter 13554 "Drew Adams" severity 13554 normal tag 13554 moreinfo thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 26 01:43:38 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Jan 2013 06:43:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49898 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TyzUH-0007ha-Od for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jan 2013 01:43:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35833) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TyzUE-0007hS-Mo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac37kGQ67BFxrrxFRqSgFyurfqjS7Q== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) Backtrace: 0x011569F0 0x01156A62 0x01001459 0x01021941 0x0114C55F 0x7E418730 0x7E418812 0x7E4189C9 0x7E418A0C 0x0114AB7C 0x0114AE1B 0x7C80B725 Backtrace: 0x011581B0 0x01158222 0x01001459 0x01021E25 0x0114DD1F 0x7E418730 0x7E418812 0x7E4189C9 0x7E418A0C 0x0114C33C 0x0114C5DB 0x7C80B725 In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-01-22 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111584 dmantipov@yandex.ru-20130122114800-5m9xn29kwf5n9nwx Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 20:12:51 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 01:12:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U93fW-0007Yv-5v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:12:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:56930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U93fU-0007Yo-4d for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:12:48 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U93e6-0004UK-6P; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:11:22 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spook: S Box enemy of the state 9705 Samford Road BATF White X-Ran: &d}gEvLF;5EQX8h(A\95kw4h<%Bh^ky7_Z8Wz;n]#l9@W@!mJY7d`A%[aL~rx)iY?uDh[V X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:11:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:43:04 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 22 21:26:49 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 02:26:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U94p6-0000vF-Jl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:26:49 -0500 Received: from mail-ia0-f177.google.com ([209.85.210.177]:62329) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U94p4-0000v8-PM for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 21:26:47 -0500 Received: by mail-ia0-f177.google.com with SMTP id o25so1093037iad.22 for <13554@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=2lbM4PD3CMUxxiLcZTXSEBUX3H8tj65RHm5j42BFv6U=; b=GTPrBhquUg2ZjZuSbc4s5iSnJLJ6N3FjNvuU+N0ecRV/MEIvxfs5tppg7OJEm0HtNU jWf12qDitgghCC78x41mnLBpXfDhLnChH9nW1DNwlcn5xrTtzYPU81YfhadU+l9EdLdP SXrz83l51WgrILcGDPgpuAw8q09vjmxOf7OPecukUuTJlqTBSySeiq14VEHTvbMlc9qN 66VUJRX9mk+ESxKAGVTtmPe6E+UZFXpc3GKsRQxOw59i3VMlJpczFvuVLWav2MIgGAWS ZSLie0eOwBUlHOC+99iIkGu/YkGsaHFH1MhT+AUkqjC+JRhO+z2C+upW1+xXv8LM3aOG QQTA== X-Received: by 10.50.33.203 with SMTP id t11mr215263igi.97.1361586320797; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.96.196 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:24:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:24:40 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) The binaries for ODIEONE builds are at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3pgcb3iiy8s9irl/c171Xhsd99 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 14:00:46 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 19:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46053 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9KKz-0008Vr-P9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:00:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9KKx-0008Vj-Jl for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:00:44 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9KJU-00049o-Pt; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:59:12 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Juanma Barranquero Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spook: security Medco Firewalls Attorney General Blowpipe X-Ran: WUSnsV@.nAJqZ (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:24:40 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.6 (-------) Juanma Barranquero wrote: > The binaries for ODIEONE builds are at > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3pgcb3iiy8s9irl/c171Xhsd99 That's no use to me I'm afraid. If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there is on-one willing to work on fixing them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 14:24:06 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 19:24:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46070 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9KhY-0000bI-QB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:24:05 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-f178.google.com ([209.85.215.178]:55845) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9KhW-0000ax-Bq for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 14:24:03 -0500 Received: by mail-ea0-f178.google.com with SMTP id a14so726160eaa.23 for <13554@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=WG6HtCq9U2C+OobO9WN4De1SMHETpToeruB3hKMZa8w=; b=VrknHoA6FM2SlGrPZmBgOFOXJm6m0cE101+rjZPtoIvmGb9wxwSvTye/iEstDPZQ6Q kB5cgQd+s5voJBSF035WVKh3JDNE13jsWk7WDq9xWCpqz1IIf4V3FLhi4hGGSdIb8/ao Q+9oFtQgQKEP98bvrJIWB7n2PayArRoATiAgEh33XqHfnrLMZF9aXApZdtwSkfErpTPu wIOrF9EwA9xP7uJrbAuIGQAiTQpASH+i57wOIWfH6uWPctSQKXlYQGWuIx7S3e9GRq+G /bHLiTz0ldHmyo+YM9kUyMU7IJ0lo+LciMpcwO57+48Yazi8EesgDHm9sgfRWJXChXka gBiA== X-Received: by 10.14.183.198 with SMTP id q46mr20981966eem.1.1361647352246; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:22:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.100.194 with HTTP; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 11:21:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:21:52 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt To: Glenn Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) > If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there > is on-one willing to work on fixing them. Most of these reports do not have a recipe, so they are only slightly useful, at most. I agree with Eli that Drew, which experiences a fair amount of weird crashes and assertion failures (likely related to his unusual frame-oriented setup) should run Emacs under GDB. That would be really helpful. Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 23 15:11:11 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Feb 2013 20:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9LR9-0001g7-7Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:11:11 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:35776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9LR5-0001fx-EG for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 15:11:08 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MIO00600VVWNE00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:09:24 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MIO006CPVZNCD90@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:09:24 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:09:12 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Juanma Barranquero Message-id: <83y5eekd1z.fsf@gnu.org> References: X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Juanma Barranquero > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:21:52 +0100 > Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org > > > If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there > > is on-one willing to work on fixing them. > > Most of these reports do not have a recipe, so they are only slightly > useful, at most. > > I agree with Eli that Drew, which experiences a fair amount of weird > crashes and assertion failures (likely related to his unusual > frame-oriented setup) should run Emacs under GDB. That would be really > helpful. I normally try to decode every backtrace (unless I forget), and post the results if they make sense. I'm quite sure these didn't. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 24 09:39:51 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2013 14:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46932 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9ck0-0004sp-Sg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:49 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:38219) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9cjw-0004se-Ls for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:39:46 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9ciP-00057N-3j; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:38:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:38:09 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:59:12 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access a file there. It is not a good distribution method. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 24 11:48:16 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Feb 2013 16:48:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47797 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9ekK-00085T-Np for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:48:16 -0500 Received: from mail-ee0-f51.google.com ([74.125.83.51]:51984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9ekH-00085K-Od for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 11:48:14 -0500 Received: by mail-ee0-f51.google.com with SMTP id d17so989882eek.38 for <13554@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:46:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=O9RiUk/O4c3zOiffZ0WcmTR+xeYfRS4FKsgmU9nRT6M=; b=QItOjMIi3KakxiSaNFRvyVjJv61SCkZ/TfHrIq2aOHrZ8SgjOqSfyIUOXgX75QtyJO L2UdoL/lEv/zkacQxxZ4stZQgZtPmIDWBGmKEi4IcW7WqZMviXyFiVZu1xj/X6uV0prt 5EutpLxPdbRv4L8QN6htIeRSIQL/uJjOP2PRT+Lq9qGoQ6oiLj5ofkcv0AZS+9isd1YI 3V6TExO6kjz9uMA+khPKb3VlIJppTk7QtW81M1chbpnboiS+X5j65t3TCBgHuwj7O9BF dTKHKd2sTWbkQYuEItd5edz+uPUivGJhRC9uQENiszlQHpTLkT2ueRtEB2O0024GnKnj 0vPg== X-Received: by 10.14.209.131 with SMTP id s3mr29730334eeo.26.1361724398538; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:46:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.100.194 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Feb 2013 08:45:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:45:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt To: Richard Stallman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: Glenn Morris , 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access > a file there. It is not a good distribution method. I'm not distributing anything, at least not officially. It's for private use. Juanma From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 25 06:44:19 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2013 11:44:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49004 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9wTj-00051Q-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:44:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9wTf-00051F-BT for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:44:16 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U9wS2-00083D-Pg; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:42:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:42:34 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Juanma Barranquero In-reply-to: (message from Juanma Barranquero on Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:45:57 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) > Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access > a file there. It is not a good distribution method. I'm not distributing anything, at least not officially. It's for private use. You're not distributing it to the public, but you're distributing it to SOMEONE, because that's whaty dropbox is for. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 25 06:53:28 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2013 11:53:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49009 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9wcZ-0005Dy-Vw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:53:28 -0500 Received: from mail-ea0-f173.google.com ([209.85.215.173]:42009) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1U9wcY-0005Dr-9V for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:53:27 -0500 Received: by mail-ea0-f173.google.com with SMTP id i1so1148721eaa.4 for <13554@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:51:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=I+msVhmsR2Zf0H5YoseSjbLJJFVDCyJkMGkVVdpiq14=; b=alCqd9vdyGx670E7Ltzt5yQQwzubssbSKQvahDhpbZQl09R0JjKk/j2cAjeSSgDcUU NJs7//RGYE+6C43839YDhpV9b+AP7YlB9debZYMT9KqATIPX+p/RDKnrVBas7MS9GJbX KXZ6DZInei0Hge+C+Xi0daLW6pDZBdeeaf0dnr32wysE6k9u2WGU38scTAog6tTR1GJ9 FV4pJWA9O0l+4K2QMo2ccn0PZb5rA6RVV3/mJHJPGFdPRbqMvWRc+IYFM6ryWCR/s1LB leiiCeXs5e9lYCWNTq+AOSOOAd3u2v3ek26Q3pTxZYqyCitQFkwncB7WeY1LMgb2rogJ 1+jA== X-Received: by 10.14.209.131 with SMTP id s3mr38066881eeo.26.1361793106584; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:51:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.100.194 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 03:51:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Juanma Barranquero Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:51:06 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt To: Richard Stallman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: Glenn Morris , 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Richard Stallman wrote: > You're not distributing it to the public, but you're distributing it > to SOMEONE That's what my "at least not officially" means. > because that's whaty dropbox is for. I'd say Dropbox is mostly to share with yourself across different devices. That's 99% of my use of it. J From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 25 16:52:43 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2013 21:52:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UA5yV-0004dl-Ng for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:52:43 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:42004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UA5yU-0004de-2R for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:52:42 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UA5wp-00088P-Vz; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:51:00 -0500 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:50:59 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Juanma Barranquero In-reply-to: (message from Juanma Barranquero on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:51:06 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.6 (-------) > because that's whaty dropbox is for. I'd say Dropbox is mostly to share with yourself across different devices. That's 99% of my use of it. I stand corrected -- but it is not good to run a nonfree program regardless of the purpose. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 25 17:37:06 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Feb 2013 22:37:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UA6fR-0005gM-IW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:37:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UA6fO-0005gE-U4 for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:37:03 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UA6dj-0005Yf-UI; Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:35:19 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spook: Comirex enemy of the state benelux counter intelligence X-Ran: FE9|cnYeBk&r_A&m@9.9XH90*r]t$WPTYI%Xkn0_xH:uTFrth5"Jmq77'h|],W}MjTOZ8; X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:35:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:50:59 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.6 (-------) Richard Stallman wrote: > I stand corrected -- but it is not good to run a nonfree program > regardless of the purpose. The purpose in this case is to distribute pre-built binaries that are only useful on a non-free software platform. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 26 07:58:02 2013 Received: (at 13554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2013 12:58:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UAK6b-0002CR-7u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:58:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:36574) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UAK6Z-0002CJ-3G for 13554@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:58:00 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UAK4r-0005OI-D9; Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:56:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:56:13 -0500 Message-Id: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:35:19 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt References: X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13554 Cc: 13554@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: rms@gnu.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -7.6 (-------) The purpose in this case is to distribute pre-built binaries that are only useful on a non-free software platform. That doesn't affect the conclusion. There is an important moral line between helping the users of nonfree software install a free program, and suggesting that someone run a nonfree program. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. 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