GNU bug report logs - #13554
24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt

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Package: emacs;

Reported by: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 06:44:02 UTC

Severity: normal

Tags: moreinfo

Found in version 24.3.50

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 22:43:04 -0800

Backtrace:
0x011569F0
0x01156A62
0x01001459
0x01021941
0x0114C55F
0x7E418730
0x7E418812
0x7E4189C9
0x7E418A0C
0x0114AB7C
0x0114AE1B
0x7C80B725
 
Backtrace:
0x011581B0
0x01158222
0x01001459
0x01021E25
0x0114DD1F
0x7E418730
0x7E418812
0x7E4189C9
0x7E418A0C
0x0114C33C
0x0114C5DB
0x7C80B725
 

In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2013-01-22 on ODIEONE
Bzr revision: 111584 dmantipov <at> yandex.ru-20130122114800-5m9xn29kwf5n9nwx
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
 `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
 -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib'
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Message #8 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:11:22 -0500

No-one has translated this backtrace.
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Message #11 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 03:24:40 +0100

The binaries for ODIEONE builds are at
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3pgcb3iiy8s9irl/c171Xhsd99
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Message #14 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 13:59:12 -0500

Juanma Barranquero wrote:

> The binaries for ODIEONE builds are at
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3pgcb3iiy8s9irl/c171Xhsd99

That's no use to me I'm afraid.

If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there
is on-one willing to work on fixing them.
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Message #17 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:21:52 +0100

> If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there
> is on-one willing to work on fixing them.

Most of these reports do not have a recipe, so they are only slightly
useful, at most.

I agree with Eli that Drew, which experiences a fair amount of weird
crashes and assertion failures (likely related to his unusual
frame-oriented setup) should run Emacs under GDB. That would be really
helpful.

    Juanma
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Message #20 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:09:12 +0200

> From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2013 20:21:52 +0100
> Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > If there is no-one willing to decode these traces, then presumably there
> > is on-one willing to work on fixing them.
> 
> Most of these reports do not have a recipe, so they are only slightly
> useful, at most.
> 
> I agree with Eli that Drew, which experiences a fair amount of weird
> crashes and assertion failures (likely related to his unusual
> frame-oriented setup) should run Emacs under GDB. That would be really
> helpful.

I normally try to decode every backtrace (unless I forget), and post
the results if they make sense.  I'm quite sure these didn't.
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Message #23 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: lekktu <at> gmail.com, 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 09:38:09 -0500

Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access
a file there.  It is not a good distribution method.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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Message #26 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2013 17:45:57 +0100

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> wrote:
> Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access
> a file there.  It is not a good distribution method.

I'm not distributing anything, at least not officially. It's for private use.

    Juanma
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Message #29 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rgm <at> gnu.org, 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 06:42:34 -0500

    > Dropbox requires running nonfree software (in Javascript) even to access
    > a file there.  It is not a good distribution method.

    I'm not distributing anything, at least not officially. It's for private use.

You're not distributing it to the public, but you're distributing it
to SOMEONE, because that's whaty dropbox is for.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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Message #32 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 12:51:06 +0100

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 12:42 PM, Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> wrote:

> You're not distributing it to the public, but you're distributing it
> to SOMEONE

That's what my "at least not officially" means.

> because that's whaty dropbox is for.

I'd say Dropbox is mostly to share with yourself across different
devices. That's 99% of my use of it.

   J
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Message #35 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:50:59 -0500

    > because that's whaty dropbox is for.

    I'd say Dropbox is mostly to share with yourself across different
    devices. That's 99% of my use of it.

I stand corrected -- but it is not good to run a nonfree program
regardless of the purpose.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
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Message #38 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 17:35:19 -0500

Richard Stallman wrote:

> I stand corrected -- but it is not good to run a nonfree program
> regardless of the purpose.

The purpose in this case is to distribute pre-built binaries that are
only useful on a non-free software platform.
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Message #41 received at 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13554: 24.3.50; emacs_backtrace.txt
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 07:56:13 -0500

    The purpose in this case is to distribute pre-built binaries that are
    only useful on a non-free software platform.

That doesn't affect the conclusion.  There is an important moral line
between helping the users of nonfree software install a free program,
and suggesting that someone run a nonfree program.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation
51 Franklin St
Boston MA 02110
USA
www.fsf.org  www.gnu.org
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.
  Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call
bug closed, send any further explanations to 13554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and "Drew Adams" <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Wed, 05 Feb 2014 23:47:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Thu, 06 Mar 2014 12:24:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.
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