From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.135863603113013 (code B ref -1); Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:54:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 22:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhIM-0003Np-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:53:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56761) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhIJ-0003Ng-1W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:53:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHP-0005d8-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:52 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHP-0005d2-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39873) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHN-00089c-9H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHM-0005cV-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:49 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:23401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHM-0005cR-6q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:48 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0JMqkwV000983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:52:47 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0JMqkIQ010883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:52:46 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0JMqj9B016643 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:52:45 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:45 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac32l66erwNwe2FwSD2z9YzJxKRdmA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Where is it? What is it? It is not autoloaded. It is called out in NEWS. Grepping Lisp sources shows that it is mentioned only in cus-start.el. Where is the doc? cus-start says it was created in Emacs 24.4. How's that? 24.3 has not even been released yet, but this is in what will become the 24.3 NEWS. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-01-18 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111548 sdl.web@gmail.com-20130118182218-6ywd47qsbnow6nsg Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Drew Adams" Cc: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13503.135863754415415 (code B ref 13503); Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 13503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 23:19:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40741 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twhgm-00040Z-7j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:19:04 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:46124) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twhgj-00040A-9Z for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:19:02 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3YpZgx42yyz4KK3h; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:18:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3YpZgw5Xt3zbbfW; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:18:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TkTqG-ZuxsR2; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:17:39 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: LjWBZlNVx0BWmko0kPh8i1+FmiA6lYawONHrFuc+jEI= Received: from igel.home (ppp-88-217-126-207.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.126.207]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:18:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 501) id E45F8CA2A1; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:18:03 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> X-Yow: Do I hear th' SPINNING of various WHIRRING, ROUND, and WARM WHIRLOMATICS?! Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:18:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:39 -0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) "Drew Adams" writes: > cus-start says it was created in Emacs 24.4. How's that? You are using it already. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 13503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13503.135865372611703 (code B ref 13503); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 03:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 13503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 03:48:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40935 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twltm-00032i-7f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:48:46 -0500 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:52394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twlti-00032X-As for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:48:43 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MGW00300NLNKW00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:47:44 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MGW003YANVKGE70@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:47:44 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:47:56 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:39 -0800 > > Where is it? What is it? > > It is not autoloaded. It is called out in NEWS. Grepping Lisp sources > shows that it is mentioned only in cus-start.el. Where is the doc? 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Some variables and functions are defined in C, so it's not enough to grep Lisp files. This particular variable is defined in xterm.c. Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you don't see its doc string on Windows. > cus-start says it was created in Emacs 24.4. How's that? 24.3 has not > even been released yet, but this is in what will become the 24.3 NEWS. Trunk will become Emacs 24.4 or later. Emacs 24.3 will be released from the emacs-24 branch. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13503.135865645815727 (code B ref 13503); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 13503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 04:34:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbp-00045Z-8b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:18 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:19851) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Twmbm-00045R-JM for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:34:15 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0K4XGPs021332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:33:17 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0K4XFL7004827 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:33:16 GMT Received: from abhmt101.oracle.com (abhmt101.oracle.com [141.146.116.53]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0K4XFCw009628; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:33:15 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:15 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:08 -0800 Message-ID: <0C40FAA8B97C43979D93F2C7CD29DDE6@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac32wOkvE5QB7tnaQ8mQqi7vqJFz1wABRDUA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > Where is it? What is it? > > > > It is not autoloaded. It is called out in NEWS. Grepping > > Lisp sources shows that it is mentioned only in cus-start.el. > > Where is the doc? > > Some variables and functions are defined in C, so it's not enough to > grep Lisp files. This particular variable is defined in xterm.c. Yes, I assumed it was in C code (which I do not have). > Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you > don't see its doc string on Windows. Windows users should either not have the variable at all or they should see its doc, which should let them know that it is not usable on Windows. It is wrong for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. And NEWS should call out the fact that it is only for Emacs that uses X Window. We should not be announcing new options that (some, in this case Windows) users cannot find anything out about. We currently say nothing at all about this option in NEWS, except that it is new. In that case, (all) users must be able to get info about it from Emacs in some other way, e.g., C-h v or a manual. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13503@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:08 -0800 > > > Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you > > don't see its doc string on Windows. > > Windows users should either not have the variable at all or they should see its > doc, which should let them know that it is not usable on Windows. It is wrong > for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. 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If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13503@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:08 -0800 > > > Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you > > don't see its doc string on Windows. > > Windows users should either not have the variable at all or they should see its > doc, which should let them know that it is not usable on Windows. It is wrong > for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.175 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4955] > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13503@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:33:08 -0800 > > > Since it's only available on X (based on features that need X), you > > don't see its doc string on Windows. > > Windows users should either not have the variable at all or they should see its > doc, which should let them know that it is not usable on Windows. It is wrong > for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. What do you mean by "have the variable"? If I try to evaluate it on Windows, I get an error: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion) eval(scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion nil) eval-last-sexp-1(t) eval-last-sexp(t) eval-print-last-sexp() call-interactively(eval-print-last-sexp nil nil) This is what I'd expect, and it seems so would you. So where's the problem exactly? > And NEWS should call out the fact that it is only for Emacs that uses X Window. Agreed. > We currently say nothing at all about this option in NEWS, except that it is > new. In that case, (all) users must be able to get info about it from Emacs in > some other way, e.g., C-h v or a manual. It will probably get fixed before the release. Or should be. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13503-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13503.135870189022861 (code B ref 13503); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 13503) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 17:11:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwyQW-0005wY-Pu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:11:28 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:35943) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwyQT-0005wQ-N0 for 13503@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:11:23 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0KHALEn029807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:10:22 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0KHAKwm009099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:10:21 GMT Received: from abhmt110.oracle.com (abhmt110.oracle.com [141.146.116.62]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0KHAKZG029230; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 11:10:20 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:20 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> <0C40FAA8B97C43979D93F2C7CD29DDE6@us.oracle.com> <83pq0zq0lz.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:11 -0800 Message-ID: <259C295BA3074B279E47C905873A9705@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83pq0zq0lz.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac33K1JMUjDghN57SnyfjCuH89pSZgABNkOg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > > Since it's only available on X (based on features that > > > need X), you don't see its doc string on Windows. > > > > Windows users should either not have the variable at all or > > they should see its doc, which should let them know that it > > is not usable on Windows. It is wrong > > for them to have the variable and not be able to see its doc. > > What do you mean by "have the variable"? If I try to evaluate it on > Windows, I get an error: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (void-variable > > This is what I'd expect, and it seems so would you. So where's the > problem exactly? Sorry, I meant the announcement of the variable's presence in NEWS, with no further explanation. If it is announced without explanation then its doc should be available. But it is preferable to just mention in NEWS that it is only for X Window. > > And NEWS should call out the fact that it is only for Emacs > > that uses X Window. > > Agreed. That would be sufficient to dispel any confusion, IMO. > > We currently say nothing at all about this option in NEWS, > > except that it is new. In that case, (all) users must be able > > to get info about it from Emacs in some other way, e.g., C-h v > > or a manual. (That says better what I was trying to say above.) > It will probably get fixed before the release. Or should be. Thx. If it will, then you can close this bug if you think that's appropriate. It seems that some, at least, feel that bug reports about NEWS problems are uncalled-for before the actual release. From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#13503: closed (Re: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion') Message-ID: References: <83ip6rpvwz.fsf@gnu.org> <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 13503 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 13503@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:13:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1358705582-28475-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1358705582-28475-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 13503@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 13503: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D13503 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1358705582-28475-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 13503-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 18:12:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41772 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwzNI-0007OA-Ed for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:12:08 -0500 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:52959) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwzNE-0007O0-Uh for 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 13:12:06 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MGX00B00RQO4V00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:10:38 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MGX00AJJRTQPN70@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:10:38 +0200 (IST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:10:52 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' In-reply-to: <259C295BA3074B279E47C905873A9705@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83ip6rpvwz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> <0C40FAA8B97C43979D93F2C7CD29DDE6@us.oracle.com> <83pq0zq0lz.fsf@gnu.org> <259C295BA3074B279E47C905873A9705@us.oracle.com> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13503@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:11 -0800 > > > It will probably get fixed before the release. Or should be. > > Thx. If it will, then you can close this bug if you think that's appropriate. > It seems that some, at least, feel that bug reports about NEWS problems are > uncalled-for before the actual release. [...] Content analysis details: (1.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.179.55.172 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.7 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4992] X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13503-done Cc: 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) > From: "Drew Adams" > Cc: <13503@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 09:10:11 -0800 > > > It will probably get fixed before the release. Or should be. > > Thx. If it will, then you can close this bug if you think that's appropriate. > It seems that some, at least, feel that bug reports about NEWS problems are > uncalled-for before the actual release. I added a comment that this is only for X, and am closing the bug. (Note that on Windows, the over-scrolling is always possible and AFAIK cannot be disabled.) ------------=_1358705582-28475-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 22:53:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhIM-0003Np-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:53:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56761) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhIJ-0003Ng-1W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:53:48 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHP-0005d8-H7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:52 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:37150) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHP-0005d2-Eq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39873) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHN-00089c-9H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:51 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHM-0005cV-Cv for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:49 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:23401) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHM-0005cR-6q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:48 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0JMqkwV000983 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:52:47 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0JMqkIQ010883 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:52:46 GMT Received: from abhmt103.oracle.com (abhmt103.oracle.com [141.146.116.55]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0JMqj9B016643 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:52:45 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:45 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:52:39 -0800 Message-ID: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac32l66erwNwe2FwSD2z9YzJxKRdmA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Where is it? What is it? It is not autoloaded. It is called out in NEWS. Grepping Lisp sources shows that it is mentioned only in cus-start.el. Where is the doc? cus-start says it was created in Emacs 24.4. How's that? 24.3 has not even been released yet, but this is in what will become the 24.3 NEWS. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-01-18 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111548 sdl.web@gmail.com-20130118182218-6ywd47qsbnow6nsg Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' ------------=_1358705582-28475-1-- From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:19:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13503: 24.3.50; option `scroll-bar-adjust-thumb-portion' Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13503 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D13503.135871480510384 (code D ref 13503); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 13503-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 20:46:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41856 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx1ms-0002hO-EB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:46:44 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:49160) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tx1mp-0002hF-2F for 13503-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:46:39 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0KKjbex019106 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:45:38 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0KKjbDX017708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:45:37 GMT Received: from abhmt106.oracle.com (abhmt106.oracle.com [141.146.116.58]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0KKjarl017620; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:45:36 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:45:36 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <1DFDD947649342FC9CC723E0DBC7DBF2@us.oracle.com> <83r4lgplar.fsf@gnu.org> <0C40FAA8B97C43979D93F2C7CD29DDE6@us.oracle.com> <83pq0zq0lz.fsf@gnu.org> <259C295BA3074B279E47C905873A9705@us.oracle.com> <83ip6rpvwz.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:45:27 -0800 Message-ID: <6373877944E246CCACF1F768CEBEE5D4@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <83ip6rpvwz.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac33OYPMACydAXdgRFetXFtSjyLouwAFWi9g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > > It will probably get fixed before the release. Or should be. > > > > Thx. If it will, then you can close this bug if you think > > that's appropriate. It seems that some, at least, feel that > > bug reports about NEWS problems are uncalled-for before the > > actual release. > > I added a comment that this is only for X, and am closing the bug. Thx.