From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:47:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13502: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 13502 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13502@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.135863595812888 (code B ref -1); Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:53:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 22:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHA-0003Ll-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56470) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhH7-0003Lc-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhGE-0005Ow-0v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:51:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:35683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhCV-0004JM-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhCE-0006qg-RS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhC9-0004Ar-F6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:30 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhC9-0004AU-7I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0JMlMc2031158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:47:23 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0JMlMrU006414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:47:22 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0JMlMFm017879 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:47:22 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:47:21 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:47:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac32lu1vsFJYVoOzRaWz2k6IVMO6fQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) The longest is this one (87 chars): machine smtp.whatever.foo port 25 key "~/.my_smtp_tls.key" cert "~/.my_smtp_tls.cert" There are also entries whose first line (a sentence) does not end in a period. And there are entries whose first line is not a sentence, and is continued over subsequent lines. All of these seem to contradict past NEWS formatting, but I don't know where the rules for formatting NEWS are defined, so I cannot tell whether they are strictly wrong or just unusual. The last one certainly works against the use of Outline mode to some extent. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-01-18 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111548 sdl.web@gmail.com-20130118182218-6ywd47qsbnow6nsg Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:47:50 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#13502: closed (Re: bug#13502: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS?) Message-ID: References: <87obgk8tip.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 13502 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 13502@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:44:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1358649842-2125-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1358649842-2125-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #13502: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS? which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 13502@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 13502: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D13502 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1358649842-2125-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 13502-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 02:43:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwksY-0000XC-O9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:43:27 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com ([209.85.220.53]:64343) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwksV-0000X4-GD for 13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 21:43:25 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id hz1so2774640pad.40 for <13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=jnSRFTf2WMgS7kMxSo9XZVsWngwo5HkzSxBHMfOYfUI=; b=cHcb07z0A1XMWb+YlL+YOQkifF809JGsjjmTFyY6PdDXaSKUu6tLgdZu0bA+CLtvd3 3eavP3m0Nh9AryzVdM6UxjM9umrR4Sfz6Fk/UbcEPJI9EYHwB+WdtXmkxPjEO2npT0U7 4aORjAY1dhwTDFZr2wJYQJp79uQz1wCZ2ThyBuFCZFDXHWrkg2a3WqwoZj24VJ3TfURe FXxgnHXZATosO+B512LAo/tip7LM74MC557LH0+WPhiHc4yAB7yVQeQXGTaz5uhlAO+z OlAdHn+D4ciOqYHZFnurbuvbpALNnffUNKgE0/4Cdmq865g2XV9G7lGDy1ggsGoHjrD/ 2MFA== X-Received: by 10.68.220.162 with SMTP id px2mr19264842pbc.109.1358649746406; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:42:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from tsparkle (cm107.delta179.maxonline.com.sg. [59.189.179.107]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pl10sm5938671pbc.60.2013.01.19.18.42.23 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 19 Jan 2013 18:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#13502: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS? References: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:42:22 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:47:15 -0800") Message-ID: <87obgk8tip.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13502-done Cc: 13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > The longest is this one (87 chars): > > machine smtp.whatever.foo port 25 key "~/.my_smtp_tls.key" cert > "~/.my_smtp_tls.cert" It should be incredibly obvious why this line is an OK exception. As for any other lines, they will be cleaned up when it comes time to edit the NEWS file in preparation for the 24.4 pretest. No point filing a bug about this kind of thing. Closing. ------------=_1358649842-2125-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 22:52:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhHA-0003Ll-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56470) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhH7-0003Lc-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:52:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhGE-0005Ow-0v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:51:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:35683) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhCV-0004JM-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38657) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhCE-0006qg-RS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhC9-0004Ar-F6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:30 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:29298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TwhC9-0004AU-7I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:47:25 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0JMlMc2031158 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:47:23 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0JMlMrU006414 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:47:22 GMT Received: from abhmt113.oracle.com (abhmt113.oracle.com [141.146.116.65]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0JMlMFm017879 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 16:47:22 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:47:21 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS? Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 14:47:15 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac32lu1vsFJYVoOzRaWz2k6IVMO6fQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) The longest is this one (87 chars): machine smtp.whatever.foo port 25 key "~/.my_smtp_tls.key" cert "~/.my_smtp_tls.cert" There are also entries whose first line (a sentence) does not end in a period. And there are entries whose first line is not a sentence, and is continued over subsequent lines. All of these seem to contradict past NEWS formatting, but I don't know where the rules for formatting NEWS are defined, so I cannot tell whether they are strictly wrong or just unusual. The last one certainly works against the use of Outline mode to some extent. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2013-01-18 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111548 sdl.web@gmail.com-20130118182218-6ywd47qsbnow6nsg Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' ------------=_1358649842-2125-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:47:50 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13502: 24.3.50; bad formatting in recent NEWS? Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:39:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13502 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Chong Yidong'" Cc: 13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D13502.135865668816059 (code D ref 13502); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:39:01 +0000 Received: (at 13502-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2013 04:38:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwmfX-0004Ay-TR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:38:08 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:28468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwmfW-0004Aq-E3 for 13502-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:38:07 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0K4b9X5028965 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:37:09 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0K4b8Rw004386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 20 Jan 2013 04:37:09 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0K4b82D008107; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 22:37:08 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:37:08 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <87obgk8tip.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:37:01 -0800 Message-ID: <89EBFDC27F2F4A4AA15AA324802C1347@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87obgk8tip.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac32t8ngRmMHh2L3S2iL09wrd/9i9AACsdzg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > The longest is this one (87 chars): > > > > machine smtp.whatever.foo port 25 key "~/.my_smtp_tls.key" cert > > "~/.my_smtp_tls.cert" > > It should be incredibly obvious why this line is an OK exception. In spite of your hyperbole ("incredibly obvious", indeed), there is no need for this line to be an exception. It is too long only because you have used fictitious names that are too long. Those names do not explain anything, in any case, and they need not be that long. In addition, the text is incorrect. It is "incredibly obvious" that it is NOT true that "you need to put" that line "in your ~/authinfo file instead." It is no doubt 100% wrong that you should use that literal text. What should be said is something like this: If you had that set then you need to put machine MACHINE port PORT key KEYFILE cert CERTFILE where MACHINE is..., PORT is..., KEYFILE is..., and CERTFILE is.... [Specification still missing.] For example, MACHINE could be smtp.whatever.foo, PORT could be 25, KEYFILE could be "~/.my_smtp_tls.key", and CERTFILE could be "~/.my_smtp_tls.cert". No long lines needed, and incorrect and misleading statement removed. > As for any other lines, they will be cleaned up when it comes time to > edit the NEWS file in preparation for the 24.4 pretest. No > point filing a bug about this kind of thing. Quite a pretension. What happened to such cleanup during the 24.3 pretest? Or 24.2? Same problems - same long lines even; no such cleanup. > Closing. Improvident.