From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:47:12 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1350: 23.0.60; Index the statement that a shifted key gets the unshifted behavior Reply-To: "Drew Adams" , 1350@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:10:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1350 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12267650717583 (code B ref -1); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:10:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 16:04:31 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFG4SCe007576 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:04:29 -0800 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:49876 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1NdI-0005Qn-9j for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:04:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1NdL-0001gy-3H for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:04:27 -0500 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:57605 helo=rgminet12.oracle.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1NdK-0001gp-OE for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:04:26 -0500 Received: from acsinet13.oracle.com (acsinet13.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by rgminet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAFG4F1x006373 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:04:17 GMT Received: from acsmt704.oracle.com (acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82]) by acsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.3.1/Switch-3.3.1) with ESMTP id mAFG4Ybw006755 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:04:35 GMT Received: from dradamslap1 (/24.23.165.218) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:04:13 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:04:23 -0800 Message-ID: <005601c9473b$d410c080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AclHO9OsAWcjSuFXQ1SCeuDc/sD1Aw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Source-IP: acsmt704.oracle.com [141.146.40.82] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.491EF305.00D4:SCFSTAT928724,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) In response to a question on help-gnu-emacs, I looked in the manuals for the explanation that a shifted key sequence has, by default, the behavior of the unshifted equivalent. The statement is in node Key Sequence Input of the Elisp manual. I looked in both the Emacs manual and the Elisp manual, and it took some time to find this statement, even though I knew it was there somewhere. This should be indexed under "shift". And it should perhaps be added somewhere in the Emacs manual - users will wonder, as this user did, why `C-L' picks up the key binding of `C-l'. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-11-08 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:47:12 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1350: 23.0.60; Index the statement that a shifted key gets the unshifted behavior Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1350@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:55:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1350 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122676774119678 (code B ref -1); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 16:55:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,RCVD_IN_NIX1 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 16:49:01 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFGmwbv019668 for ; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:48:59 -0800 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:50810 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1OKM-0006Jb-1i for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1OKP-0005Nb-Ac for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:57 -0500 Received: from mtaout6.012.net.il ([84.95.2.16]:57941) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1OKO-0005NT-Uo; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:48:57 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.i-mtaout6.012.net.il by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KAD00C00W2DRK00@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:50:36 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.126.205.49]) by i-mtaout6.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KAD00FC8W4BUDD0@i-mtaout6.012.net.il>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:50:36 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:48:44 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <005601c9473b$d410c080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams , 1350@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Message-id: References: <005601c9473b$d410c080$0200a8c0@us.oracle.com> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (1203?) > From: "Drew Adams" > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:04:23 -0800 > Cc: > > In response to a question on help-gnu-emacs, I looked in the manuals > for the explanation that a shifted key sequence has, by default, the > behavior of the unshifted equivalent. > > The statement is in node Key Sequence Input of the Elisp manual. > > I looked in both the Emacs manual and the Elisp manual, and it took > some time to find this statement, even though I knew it was there > somewhere. > > This should be indexed under "shift". That paragraph is already indexed with "@cindex shift-translation". Are you sure you have up-to-date Info files for the ELisp manual?