From unknown Thu Aug 14 18:38:31 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#1349 <1349@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#1349 <1349@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Calc interactive tutorial typo & suggestion Reply-To: bug#1349 <1349@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 01:38:31 +0000 retitle 1349 Calc interactive tutorial typo & suggestion reassign 1349 emacs submitter 1349 "Ben Wong" severity 1349 normal thanks From ben@wongs.net Fri Nov 14 22:26:54 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 06:26:54 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAF6Qo5m023477 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:51 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1EcL-0001s2-Ed for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:26:49 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L1EcI-0001qu-FF for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:26:47 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=40396 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L1EcI-0001qr-Bj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:26:46 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f17.google.com ([209.85.221.17]:61113) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L1EcH-00020K-RR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 01:26:46 -0500 Received: by qyk10 with SMTP id 10so135840qyk.18 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.215.100.1 with SMTP id c1mr1694638qam.113.1226730401575; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.214.114.2 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:41 -0800 From: "Ben Wong" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Calc interactive tutorial typo & suggestion MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) I have two tiny bugs for you, both having to do with returning to Calc's interactive tutorial when switching buffers. The interactive tutorial for calc says to use `C-x * i' to switch back to the tutorial from the calculator. However, that key sequence brings up the main calc info page, which would leave most people lost and frustrated. I believe the correct sequence is `C-x * o'. Specifically, the info file "calc-1", around line 1024, states: "The easiest way to read this tutorial on-line is to have two windows on your Emacs screen, one with Calc and one with the Info system. (If you have a printed copy of the manual you can use that instead.) Press `C-x * c' to turn Calc on or to switch into the Calc window, and press `C-x * i' to start the Info system or to switch into its window. Or, you may prefer to use the tutorial in printed form." I believe that paragraph should read: "The easiest way to read this tutorial on-line is to have two windows on your Emacs screen, one with Calc and one with the Info system. (If you have a printed copy of the manual you can use that instead.) Press `C-x * i' to start the Info system. Press `C-x * c' to turn Calc on or to switch into the Calc window, and press `C-x * o' to switch back to the Info window. Or, you may prefer to use the tutorial in printed form." I also have a second small suggestion for the tutorial. There should be a message at the end of the answer to the first exercise, at least, stating: "If you are using the Emacs Info system, you may press 'l' to return to the last page you were viewing." Currently, the tutorial mentions the 'l' key only in the question section, which goes away when looking at the answer in Info. In GNU Emacs 22.1.1 (mipsel--netbsd) of 2008-05-25 on lily.ziaspace.com configured using `configure '--localstatedir=/var' '--without-gif' '--without-jpeg' '--without-png' '--without-tiff' '--without-x' '--without-xpm' '--prefix=/usr/pkg' '--host=mipsel--netbsd' '--infodir=/usr/pkg/info' '--mandir=/usr/pkg/man' 'host_alias=mipsel--netbsd' 'CC=cc' 'CFLAGS=-O2 -I/usr/include' 'LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib -Wl,-R/usr/lib -Wl,-R/usr/pkg/lib' 'LIBS=' 'CPPFLAGS=-I/usr/include'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil locale-coding-system: nil default-enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t unify-8859-on-encoding-mode: t utf-translate-cjk-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t Recent input: h t SPC SPC SPC 1 SPC C-x * c C-x * i C-z SPC SPC TAB TAB l SPC C-x * x ESC x r e p o r t - e m a c s - b u g RET Recent messages: Loading easymenu...done Loading info...done Welcome to the GNU Emacs Calculator! Press `?' or `h' for help, `q' to quit Welcome to the Calc Tutorial! C-x * (Type ? for a list of Calc options) Welcome to the GNU Emacs Calculator! Press `?' or `h' for help, `q' to quit C-x * (Type ? for a list of Calc options) [2 times] Loading emacsbug... Loading regexp-opt...done Loading emacsbug...done From jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Sat Nov 15 08:18:44 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1349) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 16:18:44 +0000 Received: from s2.cableone.net (s2.cableone.net [24.116.0.228]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFGIfY2012117 for <1349@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:18:43 -0800 Received: from belanger (unverified [24.116.73.151]) by s2.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s2) with ESMTP id 8658766-1872270 for multiple; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:18:34 -0700 From: Jay Belanger To: Ben Wong Cc: 1349@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1349: Calc interactive tutorial typo & suggestion References: Reply-To: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com CC: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 10:18:32 -0600 In-Reply-To: (Ben Wong's message of "Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:26:41 -0800") Message-ID: <87vdupync7.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-NotAscii: charset=us-ascii X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 2, First 40, in=15, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.73.151 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.73.151 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net "Ben Wong" writes: > The interactive tutorial for calc says to use `C-x * i' to switch back > to the tutorial from the calculator. However, that key sequence > brings up the main calc info page, which would leave most people lost > and frustrated. I believe the correct sequence is `C-x * o'. I see. Both `C-x * c, C-x * i' and `C-x * i, C-x * c, C-x * o' seem to leave Emacs in the same state, neither of which is looking at the tutorial. The paragraph you mentioned talks about reading the tutorial online, so it should probably be changed to `C-x * t', which will set up the desired Emacs setup by itself, and a discussion of how to switch between the info and Calc buffers. In the future, perhaps Calc commands that will manipulate the info buffer from within the Calc buffer might be useful (for example, `i SPC' in the Calc buffer will scroll the info buffer). > I also have a second small suggestion for the tutorial. There should be > a message at the end of the answer to the first exercise, at least, > stating: > > "If you are using the Emacs Info system, you may press 'l' to > return to the last page you were viewing." That's a good idea; I'll add a line like that to the info output. Jay From lekktu@gmail.com Sat Jan 24 07:18:28 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Jan 2009 15:18:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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