From unknown Mon Jun 23 23:49:16 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13471 <13471@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13471 <13471@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined reassign 13471 emacs submitter 13471 Sven Joachim severity 13471 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 03:54:09 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2013 08:54:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlEe-0001wQ-AJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:54:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34909) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlEc-0001wH-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:54:07 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlDw-0005FP-Qq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:53:26 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:35480) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlDw-0005FJ-Nh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:53:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46265) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlDv-0000pJ-FN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:53:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlDt-0005Er-UC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:53:23 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:49485) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvlDt-0005EZ-K6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:53:21 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.2]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LoKSF-1TJvIC3szJ-00gEmH for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:53:17 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Jan 2013 08:53:17 -0000 Received: from p4FC63C6C.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO turtle.gmx.de) [79.198.60.108] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 17 Jan 2013 09:53:17 +0100 X-Authenticated: #28250155 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/CogJ3wN3CHrYEHMumk+Eb5e2J2tgHgG7TY2skvb c9T7gTS7AyVeNz Received: by turtle.gmx.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3A69D3F4E8; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 09:53:15 +0100 (CET) From: Sven Joachim To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined. This seems to have been discussed a few times, e.g. in the threads starting at http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-05/msg00174.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-10/msg00267.html The latter thread mentions in http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2012-10/msg00290.html that the following change --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- === modified file 'src/term.c' --- src/term.c 2013-01-11 02:40:58 +0000 +++ src/term.c 2013-01-17 08:49:20 +0000 @@ -1415,7 +1415,6 @@ term_get_fkeys_1 (void) CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("F1", "k<", "f11"); CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("F2", "k>", "f12"); CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("%1", "kq", "help"); - CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("*6", "kU", "select"); #undef CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN } --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- would fix that; I can confirm that, but don't know if it might break anything. 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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:55:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: (dickey@his.com's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:33:45 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Sven Joachim , 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) dickey@his.com writes: > which is interesting: the code fragment is dealing with termcap > names (the first parameter is conventional termcap names, the > second is not). It is not dealing with terminfo It is using the termcap(3) interface of terminfo. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 05:07:32 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2013 10:07:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36158 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvmNe-0003jn-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:07:31 -0500 Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.21]:43303) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvmNb-0003je-9L for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:07:28 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([unknown] [96.255.10.145]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGR00LHFLETIDX1@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 04:06:34 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (aerie [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r0HA6TAS007015 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:06:29 -0500 Received: (from tom@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id r0HA6TaA007014; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:06:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:06:29 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Message-id: <20130117102256.GA7311@aerie.jexium-island.net> References: <20130117100629.GA6981@aerie.jexium-island.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: <20130117100629.GA6981@aerie.jexium-island.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Thomas Dickey X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: dickey@his.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 05:06:29AM -0500, Thomas Dickey wrote: > On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 10:55:28AM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: > > dickey@his.com writes: > >=20 > > > which is interesting: the code fragment is dealing with termcap > > > names (the first parameter is conventional termcap names, the > > > second is not). It is not dealing with terminfo > >=20 > > It is using the termcap(3) interface of terminfo. AIX, like the other vendor Unix's since no later than 1996, does not have a termcap(3) manpage either: it documents termcap as a compatibility detail in the terminfo manpage. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlD30QAACgkQcCNT4PfkjtvrwQCgwn5Unrsq3Og/5yZmUi2wW+UW rPQAnjUddKGrpWyuWu/GA0bVUtN+kXXP =jvj1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kj7319i9nmIyA2yE-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 05:29:08 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2013 10:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36234 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tvmia-0004I2-4s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:29:08 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:49822) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvmiX-0004Hu-9f for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:29:07 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Yn1hm1cxrz3hhmX; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:28:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Yn1hm0MFvzbbjY; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:28:24 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smEWuVAVHLYx; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:28:04 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: mx1LDJF4hSCcK+ZbQy2+Csw/CiTKbmRuM5GGy7rc+Vs= Received: from hawking.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.221.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:28:22 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: dickey@his.com Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Message-id: <20130117103840.GA7472@aerie.jexium-island.net> References: <20130117100629.GA6981@aerie.jexium-island.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Sven Joachim , dickey@his.com, 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: dickey@his.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:28:22AM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Thomas Dickey writes: >=20 > > Looking at AIX 5, there is no termcap file, >=20 > Why do you need a termcap file? You don't _need_ a termcap file, but for instance the presence of a termcap file on Solaris was the cause of analogous user confusion leading to incorrect patches. > > the manpage for terminfo does not mention the names used for the > > second parameter, >=20 > Does it support tgetstr? There's a manpage for tgetstr, which states that it is used for applications which use the termcap file. However, tgetstr is implemented in the curses library, which does not use termcap. (I did ports to AIX 3 and 4 a while back, and from that and notes am reasonably aware of their issues - it's been quite a while since someone defended AIX 4 as being current - perhaps ten years). =20 > > and "strings" on the curses library shows no plausible tables > > containing those strings. >=20 > The termcap translation table can be arbitrarily encoded. libncurses > doesn't contain those literal strings either. If it's not in the AIX curses library, it won't be recognized by that implementation - it relies upon a table, not upon an external user-supplied definition of any kind whatsoever. ncurses uses a different method, not used by any of the vendor unixes. Furthermore, there is no point in bringing extensions which could be defined by a user for ncurses into a topic which deals with "IBM terminfo". --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlD31LAACgkQcCNT4Pfkjtu2GwCeOhHV5+hluPOKFaxfCp8w42yL uFcAoLCFl44S5z0qo/z9YD5HwrAmq74q =8NHB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r5Pyd7+fXNt84Ff3-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 05:50:04 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2013 10:50:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36253 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tvn2q-0004p1-DS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:50:04 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:43784) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tvn2n-0004oZ-JN for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:50:03 -0500 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (frontend1.mail.intern.m-online.net [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Yn28v5l13z3hkHL; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:49:19 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.68]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3Yn28v5DzvzbdlG; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:49:19 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.180]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7SiDHWQC8JI6; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:48:59 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: 57QWg42yMV8QEkRO0yaMFLq94A5KEbPKa/cC5zeptOY= Received: from hawking.suse.de (charybdis-ext.suse.de [195.135.221.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:49:18 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: dickey@his.com Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Message-id: <20130117105349.GA7798@aerie.jexium-island.net> References: <20130117100629.GA6981@aerie.jexium-island.net> <20130117103840.GA7472@aerie.jexium-island.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Sven Joachim , dickey@his.com, 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: dickey@his.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) --zYM0uCDKw75PZbzx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 11:49:17AM +0100, Andreas Schwab wrote: > Thomas Dickey writes: >=20 > > Furthermore, there is no point in bringing extensions which could be > > defined by a user for ncurses >=20 > IIUC ncurses officially supports the termcap names (just not those that > IBM terminfo is using). yes - but your remark is nonresponsive and irrelevant - repeating it only dilutes your comments. The code fragment in discussion is IBM specific, not related to ncurses. --=20 Thomas E. 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Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:11:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20130117105349.GA7798@aerie.jexium-island.net> (Thomas Dickey's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:53:49 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Sven Joachim , 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Thomas Dickey writes: > The code fragment in discussion is IBM specific, > not related to ncurses. But related to terminfo. Emacs doesn't depend on ncurses. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 06:46:25 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jan 2013 11:46:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvnvM-0006GR-FK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:46:25 -0500 Received: from vms173021pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.21]:11335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvnvJ-0006GG-Kq for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:46:22 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([unknown] [96.255.10.145]) by vms173021.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGR00380PZODJ80@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net> for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:45:24 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (aerie [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r0HBjO9q008155 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:45:24 -0500 Received: (from tom@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id r0HBjOu6008153; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:45:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 06:45:24 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Message-ID: References: Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:37:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: (dickey@his.com's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2013 01:33:45 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: gnu.emacs.bug@googlegroups.com, Sven Joachim , 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Hi Thomas, I'm not familiar enough to follow your argument and/or suggestion and I'm especially unable to relate your email's body with its subject. Could you try to help me understand? Stefan >>>>> "dickey" == dickey writes: > On Thursday, January 17, 2013 3:53:15 AM UTC-5, Sven Joachim wrote: >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> === modified file 'src/term.c' >> --- src/term.c 2013-01-11 02:40:58 +0000 >> +++ src/term.c 2013-01-17 08:49:20 +0000 >> @@ -1415,7 +1415,6 @@ term_get_fkeys_1 (void) >> CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("F1", "k<", "f11"); >> CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("F2", "k>", "f12"); >> CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("%1", "kq", "help"); >> - CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN ("*6", "kU", "select"); >> >> #undef CONDITIONAL_REASSIGN >> >> } > A follow message says that there is a comment > /* IBM has their own non-standard dialect of terminfo. > If the standard name isn't found, try the IBM name. */ > which is interesting: the code fragment is dealing with termcap > names (the first parameter is conventional termcap names, the > second is not). It is not dealing with terminfo (there is a > difference...). AIX has been terminfo-only for a long time > (I don't have access to a machine old enough to provide an > example of termcap in use - that would have to be from the > early 1990s. > I would suggest researching the history of this fragment, > and probably discarding the entire chunk as obsolete, > e.g., if it referred to AIX 3 or 4. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 17 19:03:35 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2013 00:03:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvzQh-0007bT-8a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:03:34 -0500 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.3]:53232) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvzQc-0007bG-6a for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:03:29 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([unknown] [96.255.10.145]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0MGS0055DO3Y8LI3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:02:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (aerie [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r0I02LVj010340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:02:21 -0500 Received: (from tom@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id r0I02LSK010338; Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:02:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:02:21 -0500 From: Thomas Dickey To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined References: <20130118000221.GA9212@aerie.jexium-island.net> X-Yow: Yow! Is my fallout shelter termite proof? Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:12:20 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20130118000221.GA9212@aerie.jexium-island.net> (Thomas Dickey's message of "Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:02:21 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.92 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: 13471@debbugs.gnu.org, gnu.emacs.bug@googlegroups.com, Stefan Monnier , Sven Joachim X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Thomas Dickey writes: > + Schwab's comments this morning seemed to be focused on retaining > the code I did nothing like that. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 18 18:31:21 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2013 23:31:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39293 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwLP7-0001fB-4c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:31:21 -0500 Received: from mail-gg0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:37312) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwLP5-0001f3-Gm for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:31:19 -0500 Received: by mail-gg0-f189.google.com with SMTP id q1so2237618ggm.16 for <13471@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:30 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.49.96.196 with SMTP id du4mr2510190qeb.37.1358551829090; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:29 -0800 (PST) Path: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.bug Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=96.255.10.145; posting-account=0FWuHgoAAAA-AnbfcPTz2ZR8m0nSn8dV NNTP-Posting-Host: 96.255.10.145 References: <20130118000221.GA9212@aerie.jexium-island.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 96.255.10.145 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <8cba99bf-bf30-471d-b0c9-e73f2e8727f0@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Organization: JURTA References: <20130118000221.GA9212@aerie.jexium-island.net> <8cba99bf-bf30-471d-b0c9-e73f2e8727f0@googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:29:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8cba99bf-bf30-471d-b0c9-e73f2e8727f0@googlegroups.com> (dickey@his.com's message of "Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:30:28 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87sj5x4gax.fsf@mail.jurta.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: gnu.emacs.bug@googlegroups.com, Sven Joachim , 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >> > + Schwab's comments this morning seemed to be focused on retaining >> > the code >> >> I did nothing like that. > > Then you might suggest to Stefan that removing the code would be an improvement. Seeing a large group of users suffering from this problem http://www.google.com/search?q=emacs+%22select+is+undefined%22 suggests to remove the code in the emacs-24 release branch. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 19 09:21:01 2013 Received: (at 13471) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2013 14:21:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39722 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwZI5-00071K-5X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:21:01 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:36161) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TwZI3-00071D-QT for 13471@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:21:00 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkGAG6Zu09FpZpV/2dsb2JhbABEgXuyFoEIghUBAQQBViMFCws0EhQYDSSIHAULuX6QRAOIQppxgViDBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="213030823" Received: from 69-165-154-85.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.154.85]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 19 Jan 2013 09:20:06 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 7F52259550; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:20:05 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: is undefined Message-id: <20130119191939.GA2640@aerie.jexium-island.net> References: <20130118000221.GA9212@aerie.jexium-island.net> <8cba99bf-bf30-471d-b0c9-e73f2e8727f0@googlegroups.com> <87sj5x4gax.fsf@mail.jurta.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary=45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13471 Cc: Juri Linkov , gnu.emacs.bug@googlegroups.com, Sven Joachim , dickey@his.com, 13471@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: dickey@his.com List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 09:20:05AM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Seeing a large group of users suffering from this problem > > http://www.google.com/search?q=3Demacs+%22select+is+undefined%22 > > suggests to remove the code in the emacs-24 release branch. >=20 > AFAIK this is not a regression, and it's far from an obviously-safe fix, > so I don't think it qualifies for emacs-24. thanks for your comment. I had already resolved yesterday what changes I would make to ncurses. That involved some more research to document the issue properly. And some code change, as needed. Since you are not in a hurry, it will percolate along. Incidentally, I checked my archives, and determined that the bogus code in Emacs did not reflect AIX 4. Even AIX 3 is questionable (1992), since that feature did not appear in AIX 3's termcap file. It may have been a customization on someone's personal system, but did not appear in the IBM product within the past 20 years. --=20 Thomas E. Dickey http://invisible-island.net ftp://invisible-island.net --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEUEARECAAYFAlD68csACgkQcCNT4Pfkjtto5wCWIvkkkCxxBOFB6PW1EYOtNqXR 6gCggbXT+sIvL7nq2PZlSyZNcYled14= =Jx64 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --45Z9DzgjV8m4Oswq-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 10 19:33:58 2013 Received: (at 13471-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2013 00:33:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VqXkU-0000dK-2I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:33:58 -0500 Received: from ps18281.dreamhost.com ([69.163.218.105]:58596 helo=ps18281.dreamhostps.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VqXkS-0000dC-9Z for 13471-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 19:33:56 -0500 Received: from localhost.jurta.org (ps18281.dreamhostps.com [69.163.218.105]) by ps18281.dreamhostps.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07D56258B9E935; Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:33:54 -0800 (PST) From: Juri Linkov To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#13471: 24.3.50; S-up does not work in xterm: