From unknown Sun Jun 22 13:34:06 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13451 <13451@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13451 <13451@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window parameters generally Reply-To: bug#13451 <13451@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 20:34:06 +0000 retitle 13451 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window par= ameters generally reassign 13451 emacs submitter 13451 "Drew Adams" severity 13451 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 15 13:37:40 2013 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jan 2013 18:37:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33740 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBOF-0005Y7-OS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48114) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBOE-0005Y0-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:38 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBNi-0005uN-B5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:07 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:42939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBNi-0005uJ-8G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59467) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBNh-0000NG-4A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:06 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBNf-0005tz-Im for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:04 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:50423) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TvBNf-0005to-By for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:37:03 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r0FIb1hS024243 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:37:02 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r0FIb0kV028087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 18:37:01 GMT Received: from abhmt116.oracle.com (abhmt116.oracle.com [141.146.116.68]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id r0FIaxLL008808 for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:37:00 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.246.149) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:36:59 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window parameters generally Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:36:57 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3zT0wPy5I5miBOQzu3hqmsIVKNzg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) I'm looking for information about window configurations and what gets saved/restored etc. I do `C-h v window-persistent-parameters', and I see that the current value, which is apparently the default, is ((clone-of . t)). Naturally, I want to know what this means, so I read the rest of the *Help* buffer. Nada. Well, the `t' is explained, but not the `clone-of'. Not very helpful help. So I search the Elisp manual. I come across nodes `Window Configurations' and `Window Parameters'. The latter, in particular, seems like it should list the possible parameters, including `clone-of', which is the parameter saved in a window config by default. Nada. Again, the CDR of `window-persistent-parameters' is described (possible values nil, t, writable), but nothing about the CAR - its possible values. Again, not very helpful help. Please document the possible values for the CAR, at least the most common ones, and at the very least `clone-of', which is apparently the only one saved/restored by default (at least on MS Windows). Please describe the window parameters: what they are, what behaviors they affect, and how. Describing a window configuration as a saved set of window parameters is not very useful if one cannot find out what the parameters are or what they do. In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-12-31 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 111388 rudalics@gmx.at-20121231113513-subz2dazg6yjukzh Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -IC:/Devel/emacs/build/include --ldflags -LC:/Devel/emacs/build/lib' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 13 13:22:42 2015 Received: (at 13451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2015 18:22:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMKt0-0008TM-0F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:22:42 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:60122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMKsx-0008T8-2P for 13451@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:22:40 -0500 Received: from [88.117.117.6] ([88.117.117.6]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx102) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lb90f-1XuC3q3aPZ-00kheI; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:22:32 +0100 Message-ID: <54DE40DE.2090506@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 19:22:22 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Drew Adams , 13451@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#13451: 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window parameters generally References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:drakRbzrphWOjfkK/xzDuB/Hm/xGx/sjn+HO/gDW44vh2ftAxa/ Mkug6r7kjHFSGGX/qiXDBfOldjT+y9nrySY9MGcn6zNUezz0kgoXqJrdXyiVp2UOkJE5PJ/ /zzUDpCl+VylfjXROThXNa0GEpsKb9hNNHNsKvz6RhZReKZGvucmOwWWzEoGHy6BkkXZl88 cP2t5T3tw9zg699uTNz/g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13451 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) > I'm looking for information about window configurations and what > gets saved/restored etc. > > I do `C-h v window-persistent-parameters', and I see that the current > value, which is apparently the default, is ((clone-of . t)). > > Naturally, I want to know what this means, so I read the rest of the > *Help* buffer. Nada. Well, the `t' is explained, but not the > `clone-of'. Not very helpful help. > > So I search the Elisp manual. I come across nodes `Window > Configurations' and `Window Parameters'. The latter, in particular, > seems like it should list the possible parameters, including `clone-of', > which is the parameter saved in a window config by default. > > Nada. Again, the CDR of `window-persistent-parameters' is described > (possible values nil, t, writable), but nothing about the CAR - its > possible values. Again, not very helpful help. > > Please document the possible values for the CAR, at least the most > common ones, and at the very least `clone-of', which is apparently the > only one saved/restored by default (at least on MS Windows). > > Please describe the window parameters: what they are, what behaviors they > affect, and how. Describing a window configuration as a saved set of window > parameters is not very useful if one cannot find out what the parameters are or > what they do. I'm not sure what to do. If there is something particular that is unclear or you don't understand, please point that out. The CAR of a `window-persistent-parameters' entry specifies the parameter that shall be treated specially. What more do you want me to say about it? The `clone-of' parameter is used by the window code itself and the manual tells so. If there's anything particular the user or application programmer should know, the manual will have to be rewritten. Currently there isn't. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 13 16:07:09 2015 Received: (at 13451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2015 21:07:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMNS8-0005ZA-N9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:07:09 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:34287) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1YMNS6-0005Yf-KQ for 13451@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 16:07:07 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t1DL70u5001680 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:07:00 GMT Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t1DL6xT5012999 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:06:59 GMT Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id t1DL6wlD003361; Fri, 13 Feb 2015 21:06:58 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <3745b225-b269-4bb0-8c65-5fbe5b6515c8@default> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:06:58 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: martin rudalics , 13451@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#13451: 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window parameters generally References: <54DE40DE.2090506@gmx.at> In-Reply-To: <54DE40DE.2090506@gmx.at> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13451 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) > > I'm looking for information about window configurations and what > > gets saved/restored etc. > > > > I do `C-h v window-persistent-parameters', and I see that the current > > value, which is apparently the default, is ((clone-of . t)). > > > > Naturally, I want to know what this means, so I read the rest of the > > *Help* buffer. Nada. Well, the `t' is explained, but not the > > `clone-of'. Not very helpful help. > > > > So I search the Elisp manual. I come across nodes `Window > > Configurations' and `Window Parameters'. The latter, in particular, > > seems like it should list the possible parameters, including `clone-of= ', > > which is the parameter saved in a window config by default. > > > > Nada. Again, the CDR of `window-persistent-parameters' is described > > (possible values nil, t, writable), but nothing about the CAR - its > > possible values. Again, not very helpful help. > > > > Please document the possible values for the CAR, at least the most > > common ones, and at the very least `clone-of', which is apparently the > > only one saved/restored by default (at least on MS Windows). > > > > Please describe the window parameters: what they are, what behaviors t= hey > > affect, and how. Describing a window configuration as a saved set of > > window parameters is not very useful if one cannot find out what the > > parameters are or what they do. >=20 > I'm not sure what to do. If there is something particular that is > unclear or you don't understand, please point that out. The CAR of a > `window-persistent-parameters' entry specifies the parameter that shall > be treated specially. What more do you want me to say about it? The > `clone-of' parameter is used by the window code itself and the manual > tells so. If there's anything particular the user or application > programmer should know, the manual will have to be rewritten. Currently > there isn't. I think the request is pretty clear: Please document the possible values for the CAR [of `window-persistent-parameters'], at least the most common ones, and at th= e very least `clone-of', which is apparently the only one saved/restored by default (at least on MS Windows). Please describe the window parameters: what they are, what behaviors they affect, and how. Describing a window configuration as a saved set of window parameters is not very useful if one cannot find out what the parameters are or what they do. That's what to do. Thx. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 15 05:14:19 2021 Received: (at 13451) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2021 09:14:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m3xRi-0005RU-S0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:14:19 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55022) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m3xRg-0005RG-Sv for 13451@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:14:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=4p7q3fIxKTksRst+ePtzbAxGOfWNpDYipGENjsCmU8o=; b=PmNNkg8O6lSMOGywwk2BtX8ged 5GEtEeMQ8HuvHMsVumecbba0ICF9hiwFTHnc+R2CAFi0v5yWU2+T6ZDOUCbloCx/EHIkTUWyrVX/p h738fPNZZ/F2AxFFgEsMRIJnJxW9LR2eDzA7qs2ybjtQsAnwXUxF0Rgq4tR+V2CJHnVY=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m3xRX-0006dZ-P5; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:14:10 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#13451: 24.3.50; doc of `window-persistent-parameters' and window parameters generally References: <54DE40DE.2090506@gmx.at> <3745b225-b269-4bb0-8c65-5fbe5b6515c8@default> X-Now-Playing: Bob Hund's _KlassiskBOBHUNkonsert_: "Det =?utf-8?Q?=C3=B6ve?= =?utf-8?Q?rexponerade_g=C3=B6mst=C3=A4llet=22?= Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 11:14:05 +0200 In-Reply-To: <3745b225-b269-4bb0-8c65-5fbe5b6515c8@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:06:58 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <874kcwkkgy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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