From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change Resent-From: Leo Liu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: rudalics@gmx.at, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: martin rudalics X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Xcc: martin rudalics Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.135736644426087 (code B ref -1); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:15:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 06:14:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44168 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN18-0006mi-Tt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:14:03 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60416) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN13-0006mF-Ss for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN0r-0002jl-Lp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:46 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, T_DKIM_INVALID, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:50682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN0r-0002jb-IE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43539) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN0q-0006YS-Et for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:45 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN0p-0002iF-K7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:44 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f45.google.com ([209.85.160.45]:53165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrN0p-0002hy-EI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:13:43 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f45.google.com with SMTP id mc8so9525938pbc.4 for ; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:13:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:x-debbugs-cc:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type; bh=AD0/89ib+8rrdqcMZe348X30GQkbJNSJcKVnfPYTnLw=; b=OqePD+UWY7r1N3dHCuYdHPz8zfQbXjww5qkipcH0jMfpF7G7P27Baq3LEHuZHraU0K shMjVV7RAEDoN42Is+4RTrr+DXHZWHbA9dUfu38ovgy5p+Ri99Tf/dSdbWmpTl2Vlz1/ n5ESEnYpq2ELQM4keQA0d9/ERmOlwZONy62WQHsDxcgK+KR0vmpgfHtElMMfiy8VYG2X Pxlt7bxp0T8P4u/Nz17rrRFYrjrLhSOU12cvnv3dJ4BrfV9A+kXNmM7Zip8ugF8MzQXq H+ZC9mSdxXLrDRJ+K9Ixa+MBtZKj177buTXPfA66CWv7ql/P2BLI9bNDeDVilMY8r/sa APPw== X-Received: by 10.68.244.6 with SMTP id xc6mr169819329pbc.94.1357366422327; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:13:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shidais-iMac.local ([119.255.41.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j1sm34529329pax.10.2013.01.04.22.13.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Liu Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:28 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) I have just spent this morning trying to fix a 3rd party library behaviour change only to find this annoying regression. To reproduce 0. emacs -q 1. Create two buffers A and B and make them both visible in the frame 2. Insert some text in A and leave point at the end of buffer A 3. Switch to buffer B and eval (with-current-buffer "A" (goto-char (point-min))) You will see point in buffer A doesn't change. Leo From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change Resent-From: Leo Liu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13361.135736798027226 (code B ref 13361); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 13361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 06:39:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44178 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrNPv-000755-O4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:39:40 -0500 Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52]:61955) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrNPr-000750-0c for 13361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 01:39:36 -0500 Received: by mail-pb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id ro2so9544779pbb.25 for <13361@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:39:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:subject:references:face:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=bZsqbLLokf78zaWI0jbhKrOwcEK9kFt5kYfD/u2nUUk=; b=SJEx61HIhNUivfOPxlY/RfejwI6fbDPE2jHFXhKVlBoseCUfj2P5k+h+nq1euACTCv 8krz2KN8dWc2iZwobIfY5s7xgvxiK85E0uyQb2Had0EyhScrQzWSebXRuRijTpAqEKei lSK94WQTPDXFt2xaDojgXwChwpqyOtLxa99dM5BAERPEe8M/yofE4hwCtAOWh5CfPDjZ XLQk7I9paLDxrnQOr3xHRNedwMeYKhXHoxPPWitF3QLQA+IzvhfjOhDQEvejL+utCzJV rYTyKGdMxEqZh9dCeO2H46qbMeCKwCeD5FQshpKKWLZlsUjzWkD2xO2taBHRL7lcKgL3 DhRQ== X-Received: by 10.66.79.195 with SMTP id l3mr159935368pax.82.1357367567744; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:32:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Shidais-iMac.local ([119.255.41.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id pl10sm33559034pbc.60.2013.01.04.22.32.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:32:47 -0800 (PST) From: Leo Liu References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAGFBMVEUzRVhbQj4eZqO6SjnT eWpxnMetm5b6/PmidmqrAAAAAWJLR0QAiAUdSAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1F B9cBBwMLBfKABCMAAAFoSURBVCjPtZI9a8MwEIaFoc7aYDdelQMna0Em3tsSr0XUeE2Q6a22a+v+ fk8fSSBkbDUI6dHpfe9OEvRgiD+ApqKPJgJeB6iUUXWESjUe/ig38AJrhqqvaU2nTIXbNvOQ40fe qdry4kyGoVWsfCQalXpHnJGM01wjWdYbMlXNFdsZDO69m9aqNqxEJqTEgbM5OF7wlEfIoll1Ked4 LbM5X2EdILLokEdmI8z7g5cKED0cuTC930TYhy7ZDekkXVGw/L60TguJePPxcJF48lpsSUWEA/Ju jGFNgJOXc4Hz7TmAdBeu5Ve4AEjOi2/2jfd3cAJZ+IbNrvdjgBZY01b+HTuG3cLws6BJZqVOj/pp T0OqVwx3rFq+QmJwx3loK5JSLEhDIt62+mtC2C+SrAUxEbV6C6v2BRbd6pILBKFpepKZJHgGgrKF sptSUUoczpwg2pQ7ZH1tgs0ou/917mzz6Cs2//C978cv5l07L02orIEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:32:34 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:28 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.91 (OS X 10.8.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Sorry not a regression. Sorry for the noise. It is the same (albeit odd) behaviour in 24.2 too. Any idea why it behaves so subtly like this? Thanks, Leo From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 08:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Leo Liu Cc: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13361.135737502632106 (code B ref 13361); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 08:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 13361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 08:37:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44216 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFZ-0008Ln-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:06 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFX-0008Li-05 for 13361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:04 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFH-00078R-VB; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:36:48 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: insurgency 9/11 Al-Qaeda CIDA Bletchley Park dictionary X-Ran: 3t]nhz}LU'mzAg!'h_5*E0sPj27INj,am;o!IXkg`0(Pj$-i'|I,.1lQrE;P1z:8j73''; X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:36:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:32:34 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Leo Liu wrote: > It is the same (albeit odd) behaviour in 24.2 too. Any idea why it > behaves so subtly like this? Are you asking why window-point exists and is not always equal to point? (with-current-buffer "A" (message "%s:%s:%s:%s" (point) (window-point (get-buffer-window "A")) (progn (goto-char (point-min)) (point)) (window-point (get-buffer-window "A"))) (sit-for 1) (set-window-point (get-buffer-window "A") (point-min))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 05 03:37:22 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 08:37:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44219 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFp-0008M4-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:58889) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFn-0008Lx-R7 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:20 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrPFa-00088Y-U0 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 03:37:06 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 13361 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) tag 13361 notabug From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Leo Liu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13573789115777 (code B ref -1); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 09:42:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 09:41:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44309 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrQGE-0001V8-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 04:41:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:37151) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrQGB-0001V3-T8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 04:41:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrQFz-0004Qs-FA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) On 2013-01-05 16:36 +0800, Glenn Morris wrote: > Are you asking why window-point exists and is not always equal to point? Yeah. For example some packages use with-current-buffer and move point using goto-char and don't realise it can not be moved if the window is visible but not current. Leo From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Leo Liu Cc: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13361.13573852539990 (code B ref 13361); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 11:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 13361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 11:27:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrRuW-0002b5-G8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:27:33 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:61915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrRuU-0002au-18 for 13361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 06:27:31 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.29]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx002) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M5aOE-1T34H643j6-00xfFh for <13361@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:27:17 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 05 Jan 2013 11:27:16 -0000 Received: from 62-47-58-22.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.58.22]) [62.47.58.22] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 05 Jan 2013 12:27:16 +0100 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18wpQBpA8wwJcuNXZ3y9IJllffQxXz+vlmS36JC7m HjiKM4TYdiuGqd Message-ID: <50E80E0D.4060902@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 12:27:09 +0100 From: martin rudalics MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) > Yeah. For example some packages use with-current-buffer and move point > using goto-char and don't realise it can not be moved if the window is > visible but not current. If these packages are part of Emacs, please write an appropriate bug report. Otherwise, kindly notify the respective author. Thanks, martin From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: Leo Liu Cc: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13361-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13361.135741320431893 (code B ref 13361); Sat, 05 Jan 2013 19:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 13361) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 19:13:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45483 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZBM-0008IM-4m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37271) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZBJ-0008IH-Pr for 13361@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:22 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZB5-0008GI-7t; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:07 -0500 From: Glenn Morris References: X-Spook: Vickie Weaver Janet Reno clones Zachawi oil AMW AIMSX X-Ran: 9Evx|_A"sz&TznYN4Y0dX\3$ X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Leo Liu's message of "Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:41:16 +0800") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Leo Liu wrote: > On 2013-01-05 16:36 +0800, Glenn Morris wrote: >> Are you asking why window-point exists and is not always equal to point? > > Yeah. For example some packages use with-current-buffer and move point > using goto-char and don't realise it can not be moved if the window is > visible but not current. As the example I gave showed, point does move. In any case, I don't see any bug here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 05 14:13:37 2013 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jan 2013 19:13:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45488 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZBY-0008Ib-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:37272) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZBX-0008IW-DE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:36 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TrZBJ-0008Gd-BP for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 14:13:21 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 13361 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) close 13361 From unknown Sun Jun 15 09:01:37 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13361: 24.2.91; [regression] window point incompatible change In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Leo Liu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:33:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13361 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug To: 13361@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.13575259495154 (code B ref -1); Mon, 07 Jan 2013 02:33:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2013 02:32:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33396 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vp-0001L5-97 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vm-0001Kr-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:27 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vf-0002jI-4z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:19 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO, RP_MATCHES_RCVD, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:56530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vf-0002jE-1p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51641) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Ve-0005Ti-5b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vd-0002ih-7x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:18 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:52570) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vd-0002iZ-1w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 21:32:17 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ts2Vo-000188-VH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:32:28 +0100 Received: from 119.255.41.67 ([119.255.41.67]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:32:28 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by 119.255.41.67 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Mon, 07 Jan 2013 03:32:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ From: Leo Liu Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2013 10:31:58 +0800 Lines: 10 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.255.41.67 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAACgAAAAoBAMAAAB+0KVeAAAAG1BMVEUAAAA9Cgm3Hx1WWFWA gn+WmJWsrqv4+vcCAwCRl2MkAAAAAXRSTlMAQObYZgAAAAFiS0dEAIgFHUgAAAAJcEhZcwAAAYoA AAGKATOXMFgAAAAHdElNRQfXAQwDNR+ZJmElAAABIklEQVQoz22SPW+DQAyGWUq65qasd9PNUSX4 AZHK2C1rJy5jpDS4IwRVup9dn7GNafpKIPPgzztXFSujqq1eM2n8h22oMkvxI/i9C97kRfMRUN55 dS3BrsAwBXUtMLAO4lryh8kTjOxKpQNniNxAgZOEe4bZwsDTFhKdqZRLNII4OQNHhEuq/RMkm6Cj TnnEA/fk0BorcYn5qA3oaeAxbaBOLrX+9G48NZ2Fzc2tzDM8Q+tMypEOqYHh8mAWaaK3U/cDMOT5 aMZMABgPXc7zPMs1A8DXO756GFJ/4fMEq47hTsAdn5avoxZ4ywl0c2w4Flu2Ybeyb3S+EqxX2DYA H8veJGEDTnHnrXvRaPyt+2kSfK6rfBZ2tUtfP/mR+pR6sX8BUZ/cDV7tvkoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.91 (OS X 10.8.2) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ihmi5GWdMq2jszZbvn5LBCtJ7rA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) On 2013-01-06 03:13 +0800, Glenn Morris wrote: > As the example I gave showed, point does move. In any case, I don't see > any bug here. Point is moved in that context but it is reset to window point immediately after the window being selected. I think this subtle point would trip a lot of elisp authors. I have already seen one in slime-fuzzy.el (3rd party lib). Leo