From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Yavor Doganov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: yavor@gnu.org, Emacs Bugs , don@donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122650167811350 (code B ref -1); Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:00:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_PACKAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_CC autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 14:54:38 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACEsZ3H011344 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:54:36 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H75-0002bc-1G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H73-0002bQ-IP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:34 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39452 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H73-0002bN-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:33 -0500 Received: from [213.91.219.2] (port=3720 helo=southway-varna.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H72-0005Rm-Py for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:33 -0500 Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H6z-0006mf-L2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:30 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H6z-0002Kl-H9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:29 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:29 +0200 Message-ID: <874p2df10a.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 =?UTF-8?Q?(Goj=C5=8D)?= APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:23:22 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Package: emacs,ns On GNUstep, Emacs.app does not load the user init file. Probably related, but it also doesn't inherit the environment when run from a terminal; the value of process-environment right after startup is "TERM=dumb". Doing M-x ns-grabenv doesn't help much: process-environment's value is ("_=/usr/bin/printenv" "SHLVL=1" "PWD=/home/yavor/src/emacs/src" "TERM=dumb") (This is when started with -nw, the only difference otherwise is the confusing "DISPLAY=keel.southway-varna.com".) `printenv | wc -l' returns 29. If Emacs was built in a chroot and installed in a system-wide location, e.g. /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications, then M-x gnus tries to create /News at the root of the filesystem. Many commands do not work, and Emacs becomes useful only after manually setting some variables with M-x setenv and loading .emacs. (P.S.: The `23.0;' in the subject line is the figure exactly as generated by M-x report-emacs-bug.) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.14.0) of 2008-11-12 on keel.southway-varna.com Windowing system distributor `GNU', version 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.52.46.48 configured using `configure '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' '--prefix=/home/yavor/tmp'' From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: #1333 - 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs - Emacs bug report logs Reply-To: Adrian Robert , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Adrian Robert Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , don@donarmstrong.com Resent-Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.1227300211709 (code B ref 1333); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:50:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 21 Nov 2008 20:43:31 +0000 Received: from yw-out-2324.google.com (yw-out-2324.google.com [74.125.46.28]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mALKhR6H000703 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:29 -0800 Received: by yw-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 3so533842ywj.31 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:cc:x-mailer :from; bh=CUTdGI2Atc6s8XkCNeFPs+W8GiYUGxnXNjTIhJBYLPM=; b=vP56Hd56ffXl27ZjZaNSp2/aWmttdfJshWmYhqUce/LGm1EvvR3PJzyekIrU0tV8TY EN7P7G3vg50nmUQYkk75fypkh3boMm1vRwwz9g80FMGxYlLj2zze8Psx4dTgJM/MFSMk bEthfPmpAgdo3CjztkKpoWuS+n/8I4NnKmuJw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:cc:x-mailer:from; b=euuFr6xDzdcZLhSj8rDwx2SBgdUxT09Wxprgl4qtFGKRTDlpxaSxhBUHPZXa50LFu2 TqH5jeYWKo4kRq4V3H5s06nogAKXSM0aAf8+sucuSaGYHMvVi+hMhPXZ1ZO7D8Ucrwom tJiQ26/lopwSfAZn6RFTObzFef9dgjHxuKryo= Received: by 10.90.89.18 with SMTP id m18mr568589agb.2.1227300207187; Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?10.0.1.199? ([72.169.150.82]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 36sm2731861agc.9.2008.11.21.12.43.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:43:26 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <31505590-3FEA-484A-AA8B-A4765FB0B08C@gmail.com> To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:43:10 -0500 Cc: Yavor Doganov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) From: Adrian Robert Hi, I have never seen this before, though the last time I ran GNUstep- emacs was a couple of years ago. Still, I would think not loading .emacs and trashing the env would be bugs that would be noticed that quickly. The only thing I could possibly imagine this relating to is some recent change in the CANNOT_DUMP pathway. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Adrian Robert , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Adrian Robert Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.123636833316908 (code B ref 1333); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 19:45:04 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Mar 2009 19:38:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(gprs-prointernet-ffc0c200-246.dhcp.inet.fi [88.194.192.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm2818450nfv.30.2009.03.06.11.38.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 11:38:43 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Cc: Yavor Doganov Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Robert Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 21:39:24 +0200 To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) Hi, Does this bug still exist? thanks, Adrian From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Yavor Doganov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:25:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.123637437910762 (code B ref 1333); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 21:25:04 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Mar 2009 21:19:39 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=4.0 tests=none autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from f7.net (server1.f7.net [64.34.169.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n26LJYak010756 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 13:19:36 -0800 X-Envelope-From: yavor@gnu.org X-Envelope-To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) with ESMTP id n26LJWv04572; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 15:19:33 -0600 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfhS0-0000qH-Ti; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:19:27 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfhS0-0008N7-6U; Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:19:24 +0200 Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:19:24 +0200 Message-ID: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Adrian Robert Cc: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org, Yavor Doganov In-Reply-To: References: Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Robert , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org, Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 =?UTF-8?Q?(Goj=C5=8D)?= APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Adrian Robert wrote: > Does this bug still exist? Yes, unfortunately. GNU Emacs 23.0.91 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.12.0) of 2009-03-06 on gana.yavor.doganov.org You wrote some time ago (21 Nov 2008): > Still, I would think not loading .emacs and trashing the env would > be bugs that would be noticed that quickly. I don't think so. How many people you think build and run the GNUstep port? I tried Emacs.app before the merge two or three times, and it was crashing immediately or drawing and expaniding the frame horizontally && crashing all the time (basically what it does now under GNOME with certain configurations, and with the GNUstep cairo backend). So I decided to wait until unicode-2 gets merged in Emacs trunk, and Emacs.app after that. I believe you that it worked before the merge, and probably after the merge. But the code changed significantly after that. I deliberately did not report the absolutely trivial problem in #2264; it took about two months after someone reported it here and about 3 months after a prominent GNUstep user and maintainer reported in on a GNUstep mailing list. I know that this strategy is very bad, since only a very small percentage of the users report bugs. Anyway, my point still holds, I think. The only port that has less users is the MS-DOG port. So, in conclusion, very few people are trying to build, *run*, and *use* the GNUstep port. This should not be surprising to anyone. I have identified some changes that look suspicious for this problem (after the merge), but reverting them just either brings my machines down when compiling Emacs, or does not fix the problem at all. In general, I think that 99% of the problems for the GNUstep port are due to CANNOT_DUMP. Is there any other platform/system/whatever where CANNOT_DUMP works (i.e. where it leads to an usable Emacs)? My general feeling is that this is the first port that is supposed to be used in production, and the CANNOT_DUMP limitations simply cannot provide that. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Adrian Robert , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Adrian Robert Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.123637699822304 (code B ref 1333); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 22:10:03 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 6 Mar 2009 22:03:18 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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(gprs-prointernet-ffc0c200-246.dhcp.inet.fi [88.194.192.246]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d25sm3152987nfh.50.2009.03.06.14.03.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 06 Mar 2009 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> References: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <3F164827-190B-4DF2-BF36-2F9B07B47001@gmail.com> Cc: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adrian Robert Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:03:48 +0200 To: Yavor Doganov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) On Mar 6, 2009, at 11:19 PM, Yavor Doganov wrote: > In general, I think that 99% of the problems for the GNUstep port are > due to CANNOT_DUMP. Is there any other platform/system/whatever where > CANNOT_DUMP works (i.e. where it leads to an usable Emacs)? My > general feeling is that this is the first port that is supposed to be > used in production, and the CANNOT_DUMP limitations simply cannot > provide that. As I posted earlier on emacs-devel, fixing CANNOT_DUMP might be as simple as adding similar zone alloc commands to unexelf.c as in unexmacosx.c. (I wish I'd noticed this when I was working on GNUstep.) It might be possible to use unexnext as a simpler model (kept around until shortly after the merge). I haven't tried it myself due to no longer having access to a GNUstep compile environment and already having my hands full with OS X bugs. But if you or someone else wants to take a crack, I can provide assistance over email. I agree with you about the low number of users. I think if Gurkan can (heroically) manage get the package in to Debian it will expand the user base, and hopefully at least slightly improve the number actually rolling up their sleeves and trying to fix things. -Adrian From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Yavor Doganov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.12363875114130 (code B ref 1333); Sat, 07 Mar 2009 01:05:05 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Mar 2009 00:58:31 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from f7.net (server1.f7.net [64.34.169.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n270wRrm004123 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 16:58:28 -0800 X-Envelope-From: yavor@gnu.org X-Envelope-To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) with ESMTP id n270wOv01846; Fri, 6 Mar 2009 18:58:24 -0600 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lfkrt-0001D7-RQ; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:58:23 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lfkrt-0000vn-C2; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:58:21 +0200 Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 02:58:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87wsb26tea.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Adrian Robert Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org In-Reply-To: <3F164827-190B-4DF2-BF36-2F9B07B47001@gmail.com> References: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <3F164827-190B-4DF2-BF36-2F9B07B47001@gmail.com> Mail-Followup-To: Adrian Robert , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org, Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 =?UTF-8?Q?(Goj=C5=8D)?= APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Adrian Robert wrote: > As I posted earlier on emacs-devel, fixing CANNOT_DUMP might be as > simple I will reply to that (very informative and useful) post when I feel I have the guts to, but: > as adding similar zone alloc commands to unexelf.c as in > unexmacosx.c. That's not possible, AFAICT. The GNU C library has no knowledge of zones, so it is not possible to copy the logic from unexmacosx.c to unexelf.c just like that. > It might be possible to use unexnext as a simpler model (kept around > until shortly after the merge). I don't know anything about unexnext. I guess I can dig it out from the SF repo; thanks for the pointer. One possible way to solve the problem is to use NSZone functions wrapped and callable from C. But unexmacosx.c does some low-level things which are not possible with NSZone. So it is doubtful if this approach would succeed at all. > I think if Gurkan can (heroically) manage get the package in to > Debian It doesn't depend on him, it is the Debian Emacs maintainers' call. > it will expand the user base, and hopefully at least slightly > improve the number actually rolling up their sleeves and trying to > fix things. Yes, I absolutely agree that it is up to us (GNUstep users) to solve these problems. But the CANNOT_DUMP problem is not a "simple problem" so one should not expect that a mortal user can solve such a major issue somehow, somewhen. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:30:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.123641418725148 (code B ref 1333); Sat, 07 Mar 2009 08:30:03 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 7 Mar 2009 08:23:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from mtaout5.012.net.il (mtaout5.012.net.il [84.95.2.13]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n278N2Em025137 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 7 Mar 2009 00:23:04 -0800 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout5.012.net.il by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KG400500N0P2D00@i_mtaout5.012.net.il> for 1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:22:27 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.192.247]) by i_mtaout5.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KG40011DN9EALU2@i_mtaout5.012.net.il>; Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:22:27 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:22:18 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: adrian.b.robert@gmail.com Message-id: References: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> > From: Yavor Doganov > Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com > > The only port that has less users is the MS-DOG port. I suppose you have statistics to back up this assertion? From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs Reply-To: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Yavor Doganov Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs , owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:50:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1333-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1333.12365197138767 (code B ref 1333); Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:50:04 +0000 Received: (at 1333) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 8 Mar 2009 13:41:53 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.0 required=4.0 tests=HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from f7.net (server1.f7.net [64.34.169.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id n28Dfnfd008758 for <1333@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 06:41:50 -0700 X-Envelope-From: yavor@gnu.org X-Envelope-To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) with ESMTP id n28DfiC20397; Sun, 8 Mar 2009 08:41:45 -0500 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LgJGB-0000s4-AU; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:41:44 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LgJGA-0001gy-Qt; Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:41:42 +0200 Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 15:41:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87mybwrv1l.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Yavor Doganov , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org, adrian.b.robert@gmail.com In-Reply-To: References: <87y6vi73j7.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> Mail-Followup-To: Eli Zaretskii , 1333@debbugs.gnu.org, adrian.b.robert@gmail.com, Yavor Doganov User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 =?UTF-8?Q?(Goj=C5=8D)?= APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > The only port that has less users is the MS-DOG port. > > I suppose you have statistics to back up this assertion? No, it was just a guess. On second thought, it might be a false assertion. It is possible that the MS-DOS port has more users than the GNUstep port. From unknown Fri Aug 15 04:02:57 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: Yavor Doganov Subject: bug#1333 closed by Yavor Doganov (Finally fixed) Message-ID: References: <87fxds6lw4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> <874p2df10a.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 1333 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs,ns Reply-To: 1333@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 20:50:05 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1245703805-15347-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1245703805-15347-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs,ns package: #1333: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs It has been closed by Yavor Doganov . 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from f7.net (server1.f7.net [64.34.169.74]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n5MKgMAG014379 for <1333-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:42:25 -0700 X-Envelope-From: yavor@gnu.org X-Envelope-To: <1333-done@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: from yavor.doganov.org (92_245.btc-net.bg [213.91.245.92] (may be forged)) by f7.net (8.11.7-20030920/8.11.7) with ESMTP id n5MKgLr09137 for <1333-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:42:21 -0500 Received: from gana.yavor.doganov.org ([192.168.0.5]) by yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIqLL-0000r6-Rt for 1333-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:42:20 +0300 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=gana.yavor.doganov.org) by gana.yavor.doganov.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MIqLL-0000MH-H6 for 1333-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:42:19 +0300 Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:42:19 +0300 Message-ID: <87fxds6lw4.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: 1333-done@debbugs.gnu.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.5 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.3 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.5 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: Finally fixed X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on yavor.doganov.org) This bug was fixed now that the GNUstep port "CAN_DUMP"; Emacs loads the init file as well as all the environment variables. ------------=_1245703805-15347-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From yavor@gnu.org Wed Nov 12 06:54:38 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, HAS_PACKAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_CC autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2008 14:54:38 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mACEsZ3H011344 for ; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 06:54:36 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H75-0002bc-1G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:35 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H73-0002bQ-IP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:34 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39452 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1L0H73-0002bN-Ba for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:33 -0500 Received: from [213.91.219.2] (port=3720 helo=southway-varna.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H72-0005Rm-Py for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:54:33 -0500 Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H6z-0006mf-L2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:30 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1L0H6z-0002Kl-H9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:29 +0200 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:54:29 +0200 Message-ID: <874p2df10a.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> From: Yavor Doganov To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-CC: yavor@gnu.org User-Agent: SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?ISO-8859-4?Q?Goj=F2?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/22.2 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org Subject: 23.0; Emacs.app does not load ~/.emacs X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:23:22 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Package: emacs,ns On GNUstep, Emacs.app does not load the user init file. Probably related, but it also doesn't inherit the environment when run from a terminal; the value of process-environment right after startup is "TERM=dumb". Doing M-x ns-grabenv doesn't help much: process-environment's value is ("_=/usr/bin/printenv" "SHLVL=1" "PWD=/home/yavor/src/emacs/src" "TERM=dumb") (This is when started with -nw, the only difference otherwise is the confusing "DISPLAY=keel.southway-varna.com".) `printenv | wc -l' returns 29. If Emacs was built in a chroot and installed in a system-wide location, e.g. /usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Applications, then M-x gnus tries to create /News at the root of the filesystem. Many commands do not work, and Emacs becomes useful only after manually setting some variables with M-x setenv and loading .emacs. (P.S.: The `23.0;' in the subject line is the figure exactly as generated by M-x report-emacs-bug.) In GNU Emacs 23.0.60 (i686-pc-linux-gnu, NS gnustep-gui-0.14.0) of 2008-11-12 on keel.southway-varna.com Windowing system distributor `GNU', version 103.110.117.115.116.101.112.45.103.117.105.45.48.46.49.52.46.48 configured using `configure '--with-ns' '--disable-ns-self-contained' '--prefix=/home/yavor/tmp'' ------------=_1245703805-15347-1--