From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.135670848213964 (code B ref -1); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:29:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 15:28:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34950 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobqq-0003cx-Pa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:28:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobqm-0003cn-ML for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpt-0005qq-VU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:03 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:33175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpt-0005qm-SY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45299) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpo-0000gu-OJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpm-0005qW-Nu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:26:56 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpm-0005qR-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:26:54 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBSFQqvk019288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:26:53 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBSFQpOR029681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:26:52 GMT Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBSFQpqf031754 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:26:51 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.169.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:26:51 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3lD8D5vMpfXqDDRmWQkM7PZ63uIw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) The parameters should be uppercase everywhere. E.g., -- Macro: with-case-table TABLE BODY... not -- Macro: with-case-table table body... In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-12-18 on MS-W7-DANI Bzr revision: 111265 eliz@gnu.org-20121218190556-x9wmq083vwecgu0f Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/src -Ic:/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -Ic:/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9-w32-bin/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.9.2-1-lib/include' From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: <13292@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.135670872014404 (code B ref 13292); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 15:32:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34968 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobui-0003kH-15 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:32:00 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:21944) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobuf-0003k9-6y for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:31:58 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBSFV2pH017836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for <13292@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:31:03 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBSFV2dE006390 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for <13292@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:31:02 GMT Received: from abhmt109.oracle.com (abhmt109.oracle.com [141.146.116.61]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBSFV1kJ001870 for <13292@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:31:01 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.169.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:31:01 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:30:59 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3lD8D5vMpfXqDDRmWQkM7PZ63uIwAAFvKw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-reply-to: X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) The contagion has apparently spread beyond this node. See also node `Conditionals'. A general review is probably required. Someone is either quite careless or, more likely?, has not been told what the convention is. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#13292: closed (Re: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables) Message-ID: References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 13292 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:41:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1356712862-20322-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1356712862-20322-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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Closing. ------------=_1356712862-20322-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 15:28:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34950 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobqq-0003cx-Pa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:28:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobqm-0003cn-ML for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpt-0005qq-VU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:03 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:33175) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpt-0005qm-SY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45299) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpo-0000gu-OJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:27:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpm-0005qW-Nu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:26:56 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:41512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tobpm-0005qR-HY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:26:54 -0500 Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBSFQqvk019288 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:26:53 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBSFQpOR029681 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:26:52 GMT Received: from abhmt119.oracle.com (abhmt119.oracle.com [141.146.116.71]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBSFQpqf031754 for ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:26:51 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.169.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:26:51 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 07:26:48 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3lD8D5vMpfXqDDRmWQkM7PZ63uIw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) The parameters should be uppercase everywhere. E.g., -- Macro: with-case-table TABLE BODY... not -- Macro: with-case-table table body... In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-12-18 on MS-W7-DANI Bzr revision: 111265 eliz@gnu.org-20121218190556-x9wmq083vwecgu0f Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/src -Ic:/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -Ic:/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9-w32-bin/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.9.2-1-lib/include' ------------=_1356712862-20322-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.135671391421867 (code B ref 13292); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 16:58:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35041 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TodGT-0005gd-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:58:34 -0500 Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:42107) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TodGR-0005gW-AA for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 11:58:31 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBSGvYnw031427 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:57:35 GMT Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBSGvVZI014880 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:57:32 GMT Received: from abhmt112.oracle.com (abhmt112.oracle.com [141.146.116.64]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBSGvVl9019680; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:57:31 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.169.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:57:31 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:57:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3lGe5i0zNHHMrgQm6QJYWDf6ZH0wAANWPQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-reply-to: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > > The parameters should be uppercase everywhere. > > They never were. This is how Info works. > Closing. In that case, there are bugs in the other direction, in other nodes of the manual - nodes that use uppercase for parameters. For example: `A Sample Function Description' - `count-loop' `Syntax Table Functions' - `with-syntax-table' `Using Lexical Binding' - `special-variable-p' `Syntax Table Internals' - `string-to-syntax' `Declare Form' - `declare' Note that `A Sample Function Description' is the very place where we explain the syntax convention and give an example of it. Not a good place to set a bad example. Reopening. There is clearly some cleanup to be done. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.428 (Entity 5.428) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Drew Adams" Subject: bug#13292: closed (Re: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables) Message-ID: References: <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 13292 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:32:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1356719522-1652-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1356719522-1652-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 13292@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 13292: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D13292 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1356719522-1652-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 13292-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 18:31:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ToeiM-0000Pb-B6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:31:26 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:42225) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ToeiJ-0000PS-GF for 13292-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:31:25 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MFR00B007EIXV00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13292-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:30:27 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MFR00B567ERL4B0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:30:27 +0200 (IST) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:30:34 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Drew Adams Message-id: <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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This is how Info works. > > Closing. > > In that case, there are bugs in the other direction, in other nodes of the > manual - nodes that use uppercase for parameters. > > For example: > > `A Sample Function Description' - `count-loop' > `Syntax Table Functions' - `with-syntax-table' > `Using Lexical Binding' - `special-variable-p' > `Syntax Table Internals' - `string-to-syntax' > `Declare Form' - `declare' > > Note that `A Sample Function Description' is the very place where we explain the > syntax convention and give an example of it. Not a good place to set a bad > example. It's not bad. This is done on purpose, see the Texinfo sources, which use @var in this case. > Reopening. There is clearly some cleanup to be done. Reclosing. 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E.g., -- Macro: with-case-table TABLE BODY... not -- Macro: with-case-table table body... In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-12-18 on MS-W7-DANI Bzr revision: 111265 eliz@gnu.org-20121218190556-x9wmq083vwecgu0f Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/src -Ic:/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2_win32/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -Ic:/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9-w32-bin/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.9.2-1-lib/include' ------------=_1356719522-1652-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13292-done@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13292-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D13292.13567204653146 (code D ref 13292); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:48:02 +0000 Received: (at 13292-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Dec 2012 18:47:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Toey8-0000og-OI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:47:45 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:30775) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Toey6-0000oY-TX for 13292-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:47:43 -0500 Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBSIkkYq029045 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:46:47 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBSIkkuJ025293 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:46:46 GMT Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBSIkjGu002670; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:46:45 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.169.98) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:46:45 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 10:46:42 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3lKWoYyz0ZfRS1RviDK/7D+M7WmAAAevHA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 In-reply-to: <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > It's not bad. This is done on purpose, see the Texinfo sources, which > use @var in this case. Really? Just what is the purpose in this "on purpose"? Why uppercase sometimes, lowercase other times? What is the different message/information that is supposed to be conveyed to readers? And where is this difference in notation & meaning explained/defined in the manual? From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.13567412358311 (code B ref 13292); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2012 00:33:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35381 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TokN7-00029y-GW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:33:55 -0500 Received: from mx08.lb01.inode.at ([62.99.145.8]:46248 helo=mx.inode.at) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TokN3-00029n-T0 for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:33:51 -0500 Received: from [91.119.206.19] (port=7639 helo=iznogoud.viz) by smartmx-08.inode.at with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TokM9-0003vD-H9; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:32:53 +0100 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1TokM8-0000Vk-1Z; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:32:52 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:21:05 +0100 References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <851ue9ofyk.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Fri, Dec 28 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: "Drew Adams" [...] >> In that case, there are bugs in the other direction, in other nodes of the >> manual - nodes that use uppercase for parameters. >> >> For example: >> >> `A Sample Function Description' - `count-loop' >> `Syntax Table Functions' - `with-syntax-table' >> `Using Lexical Binding' - `special-variable-p' >> `Syntax Table Internals' - `string-to-syntax' >> `Declare Form' - `declare' >> >> Note that `A Sample Function Description' is the very place where we explain the >> syntax convention and give an example of it. Not a good place to set a bad >> example. > > It's not bad. This is done on purpose, see the Texinfo sources, which > use @var in this case. But other "imaginary" example definitions in intro.texi don't use @var. Nor does any "real" @defspec in doc/lispref use that. Also, in contrast to the makeinfo program, texinfo-format-region would produce -- Special form: count-loop (VAR [FROM TO [INC]]) BODY... in both cases, with or without @var. Perhaps, that's the reason that nobody noticed at the time? So is there anything wrong with Drew's revised suggestion (as I understand it)? === modified file 'doc/lispref/functions.texi' --- doc/lispref/functions.texi 2012-12-05 22:27:56 +0000 +++ doc/lispref/functions.texi 2012-12-28 23:53:49 +0000 @@ -1266,7 +1266,7 @@ convention in Emacs Lisp mode. @anchor{Definition of declare} -@defmac declare @var{specs}@dots{} +@defmac declare specs@dots{} This macro ignores its arguments and evaluates to @code{nil}; it has no run-time effect. However, when a @code{declare} form occurs in the @var{declare} argument of a @code{defun} or @code{defsubst} function === modified file 'doc/lispref/intro.texi' --- doc/lispref/intro.texi 2012-12-05 22:27:56 +0000 +++ doc/lispref/intro.texi 2012-12-28 23:47:55 +0000 @@ -408,7 +408,7 @@ arguments are grouped into additional levels of list structure. Here is an example: -@defspec count-loop (@var{var} [@var{from} @var{to} [@var{inc}]]) @var{body}@dots{} +@defspec count-loop (var [from to [inc]]) body@dots{} This imaginary special form implements a loop that executes the @var{body} forms and then increments the variable @var{var} on each iteration. On the first iteration, the variable has the value === modified file 'doc/lispref/syntax.texi' --- doc/lispref/syntax.texi 2012-12-05 22:27:56 +0000 +++ doc/lispref/syntax.texi 2012-12-28 23:52:25 +0000 @@ -506,7 +506,7 @@ the current buffer. @end defun -@defmac with-syntax-table @var{table} @var{body}@dots{} +@defmac with-syntax-table table body@dots{} This macro executes @var{body} using @var{table} as the current syntax table. It returns the value of the last form in @var{body}, after restoring the old current syntax table. @@ -998,7 +998,7 @@ @samp{4} @tab @code{(lsh 1 19)} @end multitable -@defun string-to-syntax @var{desc} +@defun string-to-syntax desc Given a syntax descriptor @var{desc} (a string), this function returns the corresponding raw syntax descriptor. @end defun === modified file 'doc/lispref/variables.texi' --- doc/lispref/variables.texi 2012-12-05 22:27:56 +0000 +++ doc/lispref/variables.texi 2012-12-28 23:58:13 +0000 @@ -1057,7 +1057,7 @@ (@pxref{Defining Variables}). All other variables are subject to lexical binding. -@defun special-variable-p SYMBOL +@defun special-variable-p symbol This function returns non-@code{nil} if @var{symbol} is a special variable (i.e., it has a @code{defvar}, @code{defcustom}, or @code{defconst} variable definition). Otherwise, the return value is From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Wolfgang Jenkner Cc: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.135676988320524 (code B ref 13292); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2012 08:31:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TorpC-0005Kz-OL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:31:23 -0500 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:58903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Torp9-0005Kq-Ri for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:31:21 -0500 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MFS00J009U24400@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:30:09 +0200 (IST) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MFS00I12AA8WJB0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:30:09 +0200 (IST) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:30:17 +0200 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <851ue9ofyk.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83txr5l0py.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> <851ue9ofyk.fsf@iznogoud.viz> X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Wolfgang Jenkner > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com > Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:21:05 +0100 > > On Fri, Dec 28 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > >> From: "Drew Adams" > [...] > >> In that case, there are bugs in the other direction, in other nodes of the > >> manual - nodes that use uppercase for parameters. > >> > >> For example: > >> > >> `A Sample Function Description' - `count-loop' > >> `Syntax Table Functions' - `with-syntax-table' > >> `Using Lexical Binding' - `special-variable-p' > >> `Syntax Table Internals' - `string-to-syntax' > >> `Declare Form' - `declare' > >> > >> Note that `A Sample Function Description' is the very place where we explain the > >> syntax convention and give an example of it. Not a good place to set a bad > >> example. > > > > It's not bad. This is done on purpose, see the Texinfo sources, which > > use @var in this case. > > But other "imaginary" example definitions in intro.texi don't use @var. > Nor does any "real" @defspec in doc/lispref use that. The Texinfo manual is ambiguous wrt this issue. It allows using @var in some cases. The result in print is a slightly different typeface; in contrast, the result in the Info output is VERY different. However, since the references to the arguments in the text _always_ use @var, so are rendered in CAPS in Info, I consider this bug report a rather petty and even an overly-pedantic one. > Also, in contrast to the makeinfo program, texinfo-format-region would > produce > > -- Special form: count-loop (VAR [FROM TO [INC]]) BODY... > > in both cases, with or without @var. Perhaps, that's the reason that > nobody noticed at the time? I doubt that, as no one uses texinfo-format-region anymore, since it doesn't support so many Texinfo features introduced in recent years. > So is there anything wrong with Drew's revised suggestion (as > I understand it)? See above. That said, I don't want to argue anymore, so I installed your changes on the emacs-24 branch; thanks. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Wolfgang Jenkner Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.13567962521649 (code B ref 13292); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 15:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2012 15:50:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36278 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ToygV-0000QX-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:50:52 -0500 Received: from mx09.lb01.inode.at ([62.99.145.9]:52053 helo=mx.inode.at) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ToygS-0000QO-NG for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:50:49 -0500 Received: from [91.119.206.19] (port=7556 helo=iznogoud.viz) by smartmx-09.inode.at with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ToyfU-0008EN-Il; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:49:48 +0100 Received: from wolfgang by iznogoud.viz with local (Exim 4.80.1 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1ToyfR-0000hu-Nx; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:49:45 +0100 From: Wolfgang Jenkner Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:48:31 +0100 References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org> <83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> <851ue9ofyk.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <83txr5l0py.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <85623kc0yu.fsf@iznogoud.viz> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) On Sat, Dec 29 2012, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Wolfgang Jenkner >> Also, in contrast to the makeinfo program, texinfo-format-region would >> produce >> >> -- Special form: count-loop (VAR [FROM TO [INC]]) BODY... >> >> in both cases, with or without @var. Perhaps, that's the reason that >> nobody noticed at the time? > > I doubt that, as no one uses texinfo-format-region anymore, since it > doesn't support so many Texinfo features introduced in recent years. I meant a time closer to when the elisp manual was written, viz. http://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/emacs/elisp-manual-20-2.5.tar.gz has (in the node we are talking about: A Sample Function Description) @defun foo integer1 &optional integer2 &rest integers but the formatted manual included in that tarball has - Function: foo INTEGER1 &optional INTEGER2 &rest INTEGERS That's the reason why Drew's report rang a bell: I remembered that years ago I had become aware of this change from upper-case to lower-case at some point. >> So is there anything wrong with Drew's revised suggestion (as >> I understand it)? > See above. That said, I don't want to argue anymore, so I installed > your changes on the emacs-24 branch; thanks. I could have done that (which is why I neglected to supply a change log entry), but thanks. Wolfgang From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:48:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#13292: 24.3.50; wrong sytax description in (elisp) Case Tables Resent-From: "Drew Adams" Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 13292 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "'Wolfgang Jenkner'" , "'Eli Zaretskii'" Cc: 13292@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 13292-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B13292.13567979415529 (code B ref 13292); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 13292) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2012 16:19:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36291 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Toz7l-0001R1-A8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:19:01 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:32347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Toz7j-0001Qm-9J for 13292@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 11:19:00 -0500 Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qBTGHv2G032304 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:17:59 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qBTGHvto009407 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:17:57 GMT Received: from abhmt111.oracle.com (abhmt111.oracle.com [141.146.116.63]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qBTGHuMN003262; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 10:17:57 -0600 Received: from dradamslap1 (/10.159.239.117) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:17:56 -0800 From: "Drew Adams" References: <83a9sym8q8.fsf@gnu.org><83623mm3lh.fsf@gnu.org> <851ue9ofyk.fsf@iznogoud.viz><83txr5l0py.fsf@gnu.org> <85623kc0yu.fsf@iznogoud.viz> Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:17:50 -0800 Message-ID: <6AF653A28D414296BCE16FDA3EE50DE7@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <85623kc0yu.fsf@iznogoud.viz> Thread-Index: Ac3l3CRoNIA/WAi8Qo22nWQmB+cEUQAAlP9Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) > I meant a time closer to when the elisp manual was written, viz. > http://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/emacs/elisp-manual-20-2.5.tar.gz > has (in the node we are talking about: A Sample Function Description) > > @defun foo integer1 &optional integer2 &rest integers > but the formatted manual included in that tarball has > - Function: foo INTEGER1 &optional INTEGER2 &rest INTEGERS > > That's the reason why Drew's report rang a bell: I remembered > that years ago I had become aware of this change from upper-case > to lower-case at some point. Yes, in Emacs 20 parameters were uppercase - more readable, BTW. I don't have an Emacs 21 Elisp (Info) manual. My guess would be that this regression (intentional, no doubt) was introduced in Emacs 22. The current bug is that the usage is not consistent - that's the point. Parameters should either be always uppercase or always lowercase. They are instead sometimes all uppercase, sometimes all lowercase.