From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Markus Triska , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Markus Triska Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:45:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.122633153511834 (code B ref -1); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:45:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 15:38:55 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAAFcq5e011828 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:38:53 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:35029) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYnq-0005kL-3W for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYqp-00029O-DI for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:39647) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYqo-00028S-Sw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:38:51 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2008 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from chello062178240212.3.14.tuwien.teleweb.at (EHLO mt-computer.local) [62.178.240.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 16:38:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4064391 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/y4l5tUsTydozAMlJUjUI7ec+Mpn5Vlmxsn6x/wJ iIP8MVHkBH1Qnb Received: by mt-computer.local (Postfix, from userid 502) id C8E7EB8030A; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:30 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Message-Id: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:30 +0100 (CET) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. When I comment out or remove all forms in .emacs, and then do: emacs --eval "(customize-face 'default)" The customization buffer reads: To apply your changes, use the Save or Set buttons. However, neither of them is shown. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 (i386-apple-darwin8.11.1, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2008-11-05 on mt-computer.local Windowing system distributor `The XFree86 Project, Inc', version 11.0.40400000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default-enable-multibyte-characters: t From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:25:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122635538818218 (code B ref 1326); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:25:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 22:16:28 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAAMGP7h018209 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:16:27 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Kzf0Y-000672-AO; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:18 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Markus Triska Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> X-Spook: Yukon Aladdin Downing Street asset Peking COSCO Tony X-Ran: N(c9s\yMbZDz7Pe;=b]6l+jj1uEKJ4=EqZ$!cYc{iJcjp?Mgln3`zE^T4Vs&@s).}dk)`F X-Hue: cyan X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> (Markus Triska's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:30 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Markus Triska wrote: > When I comment out or remove all forms in .emacs, and then do: > > emacs --eval "(customize-face 'default)" > > The customization buffer reads: > > To apply your changes, use the Save or Set buttons. > > However, neither of them is shown. Could it be that when you comment out all the lines in your .emacs, the tool-bar is shown? The tool-bar buttons, if visible, replace the in-buffer save/set buttons. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Markus Triska , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Markus Triska Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:40:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122635627121811 (code B ref 1326); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:40:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 22:31:11 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with SMTP id mAAMV8Y8021805 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:31:09 -0800 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2008 22:31:02 -0000 Received: from chello062178240212.3.14.tuwien.teleweb.at (EHLO mt-computer.local) [62.178.240.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 23:31:02 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4064391 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Od5JmvdjOa5jV+Iw/7h17Hh4T9z98JhkIIoOiOQ xAW3cNt7aDd0jO Received: by mt-computer.local (Postfix, from userid 502) id A6CF5B813D2; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:30:44 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska To: Glenn Morris Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:30:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:13:18 -0500") Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.8100000000000001 Glenn Morris writes: > Could it be that when you comment out all the lines in your .emacs, > the tool-bar is shown? The tool-bar buttons, if visible, replace the > in-buffer save/set buttons. You're right, they are in the tool bar! It would be great if they were in the buffer as well, so that they can be reached with the keyboard. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122635693324177 (code B ref 1326); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 22:50:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 22:42:13 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAAMgAkY024171 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 14:42:11 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzfPT-00083Y-Tf; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:03 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Markus Triska Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org, Chong Yidong References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> X-Spook: quiche strategic SHA Kennedy industrial espionage X-Ran: '&yNH-*4f}5QVCxADS'RmU*Jg0_2I-(BsjwJ{^huSMgI5T$hlrpL>r4Xpyejx77tSh'2@L X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Markus Triska's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:30:44 +0100") Message-ID: <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Markus Triska wrote: > You're right, they are in the tool bar! It would be great if they were > in the buffer as well, so that they can be reached with the keyboard. It was a deliberate choice to not put them in the buffer when the tool-bar is on: 2007-07-05 Chong Yidong [...] (custom-buffer-create-internal): Insert action buttons only if tool bar is not used. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Andreas Schwab , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Andreas Schwab Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.12263597793152 (code B ref 1326); Mon, 10 Nov 2008 23:35:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 23:29:39 +0000 Received: from mx2.suse.de (cantor2.suse.de [195.135.220.15]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAANTZPo003146 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:29:37 -0800 Received: from Relay2.suse.de (mail2.suse.de [195.135.221.8]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx2.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80F7D4641D; Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:34 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Glenn Morris Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org, Markus Triska , Chong Yidong References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Yow: I wonder if there's anything GOOD on tonight? Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:33 +0100 In-Reply-To: <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:39:03 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110009 (No Gnus v0.9) Emacs/22.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Glenn Morris writes: > Markus Triska wrote: > >> You're right, they are in the tool bar! It would be great if they were >> in the buffer as well, so that they can be reached with the keyboard. > > It was a deliberate choice to not put them in the buffer when the > tool-bar is on: > > 2007-07-05 Chong Yidong > [...] > (custom-buffer-create-internal): Insert action buttons > only if tool bar is not used. What if the buffer is later displayed in a frame without a tool bar? Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SuSE Labs, schwab@suse.de SuSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstraße 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany PGP key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:15:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122679057319984 (code B ref 1326); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:15:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 23:09:33 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFN9VWh019978 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:09:32 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1UGb-0005k6-Ni; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:09:25 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Andreas Schwab Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org, Markus Triska , Chong Yidong References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: benelux SCUD missile Steve Case credit card BATF Croatian X-Ran: "Uapb+/n%@xx[GM#]yI7$FX.f]&YKwwGRu.(NCce},zcf?V6)&:F[o;ix=[;]#A>E^QGnL X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:09:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Schwab's message of "Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:29:33 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I'm inclined just to remove this feature; but I'm hoping to hear why it was added. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Chong Yidong , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Chong Yidong Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:35:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122679174724704 (code B ref 1326); Sat, 15 Nov 2008 23:35:03 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 23:29:07 +0000 Received: from cyd.mit.edu (CYD.MIT.EDU [18.115.2.24]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFNT4Q6024698 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:29:05 -0800 Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 321DA57E04B; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:29:19 -0500 (EST) From: Chong Yidong To: Glenn Morris Cc: Andreas Schwab , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org, Markus Triska References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:29:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:09:25 -0500") Message-ID: <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn Morris writes: > I'm inclined just to remove this feature; but I'm hoping to hear why > it was added. It was added to prevent redundancy between having buttons in the toolbar and functionally identical buttons in the button. Remove it if you like; I don't feel strongly about it. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:05:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122679346631897 (code B ref 1326); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:05:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Nov 2008 23:57:46 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAFNvihq031891 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:57:45 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1V1G-0006iI-T4; Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:57:38 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Chong Yidong Cc: Andreas Schwab , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org, Markus Triska References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-Spook: BATF Belknap Crypto AG Blowpipe CNCIS IMF monarchist TWA X-Ran: p:Nbz,f[F%6u5?t!I>R7o4zk6+dxBC6~_V?^1e`MCBX#S3jHP[l}-*7e/aDa*`(?)F6q)2 X-Hue: magenta X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:57:38 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> (Chong Yidong's message of "Sat, 15 Nov 2008 18:29:19 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Chong Yidong wrote: > It was added to prevent redundancy between having buttons in the toolbar > and functionally identical buttons in the button. Remove it if you > like; I don't feel strongly about it. I don't either; but I think Andreas's scenario, albeit unlikely, might be enough reason to remove it. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Reiner Steib , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Reiner Steib Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122684569922565 (code B ref 1326); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:35:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.6 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Nov 2008 14:28:19 +0000 Received: from mail.uni-ulm.de (mail.uni-ulm.de [134.60.1.11]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAGESFkA022559 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 06:28:16 -0800 Received: from bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de [134.60.10.175]) by mail.uni-ulm.de (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id mAGESDl6006456; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:13 +0100 (MET) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by bridgekeeper.physik.uni-ulm.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1E01C879; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:12 +0100 (CET) From: Reiner Steib To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> X-Face: .*T0'iU(sujq_j9\J>-d4fg;N/1++U#U$_5ii6k.=|"-n'?5O:Hyz&wi'-!I~,}7~GgT=0S /&-R5sbkNy5+Xo1y{Tw2KKxi@Xh"g@]Qc|.U<*]WDd)qvGowFDvfU1F]{EDho:7P0@|oOD=Bc{K4?> WP68K[Mx:}=`ZT'6g4'f+g?;`vri2!)xGy}3:=l'(/Cea0l4lo^H5#@/Z3ev Mail-Followup-To: Glenn Morris , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:09 +0100 Message-ID: <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-DCC-CTc-dcc2-Metrics: poseidon 1031; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new On Sun, Nov 16 2008, Glenn Morris wrote: > Chong Yidong wrote: >> It was added to prevent redundancy between having buttons in the toolbar >> and functionally identical buttons in the button. Remove it if you >> like; I don't feel strongly about it. > > I don't either; but I think Andreas's scenario, albeit unlikely, might > be enough reason to remove it. Here's another reason: The icons are not (and probably cannot be) clear enough. You have to hover over them and read the tool-tips to find out what they do. (Maybe it's worth to make it customizable.) Bye, Reiner. -- ,,, (o o) ---ooO-(_)-Ooo--- | PGP key available | http://rsteib.home.pages.de/ From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: don@donarmstrong.com X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 1326-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B1326.122686351032600 (code B ref 1326); Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:30:04 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Nov 2008 19:25:10 +0000 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com (ironport2-out.pppoe.ca [206.248.154.182]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAGJP7mA031855 for <1326@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:25:08 -0800 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhIFAFsCIElMCrcy/2dsb2JhbACBbMsLgnmBFA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.33,614,1220241600"; d="scan'208";a="29937714" Received: from 76-10-183-50.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO ceviche.home) ([76.10.183.50]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP; 16 Nov 2008 14:25:01 -0500 Received: by ceviche.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 9C874B4050; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Cc: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> (Reiner Steib's message of "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:09 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> It was added to prevent redundancy between having buttons in the toolbar >>> and functionally identical buttons in the button. Remove it if you >>> like; I don't feel strongly about it. >> >> I don't either; but I think Andreas's scenario, albeit unlikely, might >> be enough reason to remove it. I agree that this "feature" might better be removed (i.e. the redundant bindings should be left alone). It's not like Emacs never has redundant ways to get at something. Stefan PS: Some other redundancies that come to mind are the major&minor mode menus that are present both in the menu bar and by clicking on the mode's lighter in the mode-line. From unknown Sat Sep 06 05:55:21 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420) X-Loop: don@donarmstrong.com From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (Emacs bug Tracking System) To: Markus Triska Subject: bug#1326 closed by Glenn Morris (Re: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs) Message-ID: References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> X-Emacs-PR-Message: they-closed 1326 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 1326@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1226878502-31874-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1226878502-31874-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report which was filed against the emacs package: #1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs It has been closed by Glenn Morris . 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If this explanation is unsatisfactory and you have not received a better one in a separate message then please contact Glenn Morris by replying to this email. --=20 1326: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D1326 Emacs Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1226878502-31874-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From rgm@gnu.org Sun Nov 16 15:28:40 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-12.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at 1326-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Nov 2008 23:28:40 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAGNSbOX030536 for <1326-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 15:28:38 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1L1r2c-0007wB-Mf; Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:28:30 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 1326-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#1326: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs References: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> <7lljvr1a0o.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r65co9f4.fsf@cyd.mit.edu> <8763mnsq2u.fsf@marauder.physik.uni-ulm.de> X-Spook: SAFE SSL AVN kilo class Capricorn number key dictionary X-Ran: -];jGr+0R:/r{)]p"VoWwgaAI"oy'c_O&}H-!EluBok}kW9..4av6E$:4Wsq8-QnF5DkJ] X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 18:28:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 16 Nov 2008 14:25:28 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've removed this feature - now the in-buffer buttons are always shown. ------------=_1226878502-31874-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >From triska@gmx.at Mon Nov 10 07:38:55 2008 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2007-08-08) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FOURLA, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED autolearn=ham version=3.2.3-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2008 15:38:55 +0000 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8/Debian-3) with ESMTP id mAAFcq5e011828 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:38:53 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:35029) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYnq-0005kL-3W for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:35:46 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYqp-00029O-DI for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:38:52 -0500 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]:39647) by monty-python.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KzYqo-00028S-Sw for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 10:38:51 -0500 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2008 15:38:47 -0000 Received: from chello062178240212.3.14.tuwien.teleweb.at (EHLO mt-computer.local) [62.178.240.212] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2008 16:38:47 +0100 X-Authenticated: #4064391 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/y4l5tUsTydozAMlJUjUI7ec+Mpn5Vlmxsn6x/wJ iIP8MVHkBH1Qnb Received: by mt-computer.local (Postfix, from userid 502) id C8E7EB8030A; Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:30 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Triska To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.0.60; Customizations cannot be saved with empty .emacs Message-Id: <20081110153830.C8E7EB8030A@mt-computer.local> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:38:30 +0100 (CET) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.54 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. When I comment out or remove all forms in .emacs, and then do: emacs --eval "(customize-face 'default)" The customization buffer reads: To apply your changes, use the Save or Set buttons. However, neither of them is shown. In GNU Emacs 23.0.60.2 (i386-apple-darwin8.11.1, GTK+ Version 2.12.9) of 2008-11-05 on mt-computer.local Windowing system distributor `The XFree86 Project, Inc', version 11.0.40400000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default-enable-multibyte-characters: t ------------=_1226878502-31874-1--