From unknown Mon Jun 23 14:57:40 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#13155 <13155@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#13155 <13155@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 24.3.50; Click on hyperlink in Gnus mail Reply-To: bug#13155 <13155@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:57:40 +0000 retitle 13155 24.3.50; Click on hyperlink in Gnus mail reassign 13155 emacs submitter 13155 "Fabrice Niessen" severity 13155 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 12 06:56:47 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2012 11:56:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38248 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tikvc-00071h-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:56:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TikvR-00071P-Jz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:56:42 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TikuV-0006qx-TY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 06:55:47 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:53980) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tijzl-0001Li-Ra for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:56:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54969) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tijz2-0006Qj-LT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:56:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tijyo-0000t9-0r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:56:12 -0500 Received: from 81-188-7-133.sdsl.easynet.be ([81.188.7.133]:38770 helo=mail.missioncriticalit.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Tijyn-0000s8-Aq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 05:55:57 -0500 Received: from MEDIACENTER. (mediacenter [10.10.10.221]) by mail.missioncriticalit.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1B96F500D11 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:55:55 +0100 (CET) From: "Fabrice Niessen" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.3.50; Click on hyperlink in Gnus mail Organization: Mission Critical IT X-Archive: encrypt Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 11:55:54 +0100 Message-ID: <80sj7br139.fsf@somewhere.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Hello, When clicking on a common http link within a Gnus email, I get the "error": Invalid function: internal--called-interactively-p--get-frame and a beep. Gnus-version: Ma Gnus v0.6 (commit 82cfe57, 3 months ago). Though, this behavior is quite new, and must come from me using a newer Emacs version. Best regards, Fabrice Niessen In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2012-12-03 on MS-W7-DANI Bzr revision: 111077 agustin.martin@hispalinux.es-20121203172342-ifsebjmhksk28qa9 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Configured using: `configure --with-gcc (4.7) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.10/src -Ic:/emacs/libs/libpng-1.2.37-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/zlib-1.2.5 -Ic:/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1-lib/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libxml2-2.7.8-w32-bin/include/libxml2 -Ic:/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9-w32-bin/include -Ic:/emacs/libs/libiconv-1.9.2-1-lib/include' Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 locale-coding-system: cp1252 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Article Minor modes in effect: diff-auto-refine-mode: t TeX-PDF-mode: t auto-image-file-mode: t recentf-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t helm-match-plugin-mode: t pretty-control-l-mode: t yas-global-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t show-paren-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-l C-a a a a a C-c n g q q C-u 2 0 N N P C-h e C-r i n t e r n M-w M-x e m r e p o r t - e m e a c Recent messages: [13 times] (info) +-> Requiring `sendmail'... already loaded (info) +-> Requiring `message'... already loaded (info) +-> Requiring `helm-misc'... already loaded Error during redisplay: (eval (org-propertize (org-display-outline-path nil t " / " t) (quote face) (quote mode-line-emphasis) (quote help-echo) "Outline path")) signaled (error "Before first headline at position 543 in buffer *Summary 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ob6mr353204obb.100.1355313729740; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:02:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.11.39 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:02:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80sj7br139.fsf@somewhere.org> References: <80sj7br139.fsf@somewhere.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:02:09 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13155: 24.3.50; Click on hyperlink in Gnus mail From: Dani Moncayo To: Fabrice Niessen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13155 Cc: 13155@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) > In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) > of 2012-12-03 on MS-W7-DANI > Bzr revision: 111077 agustin.martin@hispalinux.es-20121203172342-ifsebjmhksk28qa9 > Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 Don't use that build. It's broken (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-emacs-windows/2012-12/msg00005.html). (I've removed it from dropbox) -- Dani Moncayo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 12 07:04:12 2012 Received: (at 13155) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2012 12:04:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38258 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Til2p-0007Dp-V6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:04:12 -0500 Received: from mail-oa0-f44.google.com ([209.85.219.44]:53507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Til2n-0007Dh-EA for 13155@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:04:10 -0500 Received: by mail-oa0-f44.google.com with SMTP id n5so597091oag.3 for <13155@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:03:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=uoku4BttcaESgMe5vV20Cy7GTGn1v4fjDvOki66kNlQ=; b=X20l++wnfMMSHQHWDuWsQP47+SxQUZgaYoBwkXnLxiXpYZDWzslKHx47iA4J4S5zAu N/MJBPydUrnsg9CdlrMdXEZS7aTZHgYt/j91KaWF9IyOhYXebIJd/g2KKg1z8jYOn8a0 5hrpf5QZtCIo+4Z6Wm4YNLT7UWHu1EkmQ8MSVCDJZURamNrMShF6BCk0K7yqo1+4bgRC B61ZrtIkIuKlHWILJ0DWcxCaMW6HOVjC+6TR0SIFIZhHMf8/YvnX2P8vr4Y7CFUIKLd7 Jd1PYQkxzYZuhG9FE8a0z1jGzjSG3yeK1fG4hYEp5c595t+F78QAKVXGtHzUUhzQR6tJ ef4Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.92.70 with SMTP id ck6mr355079obb.46.1355313802557; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:03:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.11.39 with HTTP; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 04:03:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <80sj7br139.fsf@somewhere.org> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#13155: 24.3.50; Click on hyperlink in Gnus mail From: Dani Moncayo To: Fabrice Niessen Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 13155 Cc: 13155@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) >> In GNU Emacs 24.3.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) >> of 2012-12-03 on MS-W7-DANI >> Bzr revision: 111077 agustin.martin@hispalinux.es-20121203172342-ifsebjmhksk28qa9 >> Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 > > Don't use that build. It's broken > (http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-emacs-windows/2012-12/msg00005.html). Sorry the relevant message is this one: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-emacs-windows/2012-12/msg00003.html -- Dani Moncayo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 12 12:01:05 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2012 17:01:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39287 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tipg9-0006zZ-8A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:01:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:39563) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Tipg7-0006zS-G3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:01:04 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TipfL-00006y-A3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:00:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:00:15 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 13155 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) forcemerge 13085 13155 From unknown Mon Jun 23 14:57:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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