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24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail

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From: Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:26:59 -0500

More than half the time, when I type "g" in the *Group* buffer, gnus
reads the mail spool file and then hangs.  Here's what's in the
*Messages* buffer:

Checking new news...
Reading active file from private via nnml...
Reading incoming mail from file...
Wrote /home/lconrad/Mail/lilypond/160581
Wrote /home/lconrad/Mail/sunny/85993
Wrote /home/lconrad/Mail/sunny/85994
Wrote /home/lconrad/Mail/sunny/85995
Wrote /home/lconrad/Mail/cron/5489
nnml: Reading incoming mail (5 new)...done
Reading active file from private via nnml...done
Quit

The hang is always after the "Reading active file from private via
nnml...done" line, and the mail groups do not get an updated count.  If
I then hit ^G, I can hit "g" again and the group counts are updated
appropriately.  Here's what the *Messages* buffer has then:

Checking new news...
Reading active file from private via nnml...
Reading incoming mail from file...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
Reading active file from private via nnml...done
Reading active file via nndraft...done
Reading active file from laura via nnmairix...done
Checking new news...done

So it looks like it might be something stupid that nnmairix is doing,
but I've tried turning that off and still get the problem.


In GNU Emacs 24.2.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.10)
 of 2012-11-08 on lakoocha, modified by Debian
Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.11103000
Configured using:
 `configure '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu' '--build' 'x86_64-linux-gnu'
 '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib'
 '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info'
 '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes'
 '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs24:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/24.2/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/24.2/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp'
 '--with-crt-dir=/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu' '--with-x=yes'
 '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars'
 'build_alias=x86_64-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fstack-protector
 --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -Wformat -Wformat-security
 -Werror=format-security -Wall' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions
 -Wl,-z,relro' 'CPPFLAGS=-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2''

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: utf-8
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Group

Minor modes in effect:
  gnus-undo-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t
  display-time-mode: t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
q SPC <return> n q g p p p p p p p p p p p p p SPC 
SPC q SPC SPC n q SPC <return> n n n SPC q SPC c y 
SPC q <help-echo> <help-echo> <switch-frame> <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> <mouse-1> # C-x C-s <help-echo> <prior> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <prior> <prior> <switch-frame> 
g g p p p p SPC SPC SPC <backspace> <backspace> q SPC 
SPC n SPC n SPC SPC SPC q SPC q SPC q SPC n n q SPC 
q SPC q g p SPC SPC SPC <backspace> n SPC SPC q <help-echo> 
<help-echo> g g p p p SPC SPC q SPC <down> <down> SPC 
<down> <down> <down> <down> SPC <down> SPC <down> <down> 
<down> SPC <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> <mouse-1> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> 
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> SPC n n C-n C-n C-n c y g 
p p p p p p p p p p p p p p SPC q SPC q SPC SPC SPC 
SPC q SPC SPC n q SPC C-d SPC q q SPC C-n C-n C-n c 
y SPC C-n SPC SPC <backspace> q SPC q SPC SPC SPC SPC 
SPC SPC q SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC 
SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC SPC q SPC SPC SPC 
q SPC n SPC SPC n SPC n SPC SPC n SPC n SPC SPC n SPC 
SPC SPC <help-echo> <help-echo> n SPC n n SPC SPC n 
n n SPC SPC n SPC q g g p p p SPC q <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <help-echo> <menu-bar> 
<help-menu> <send-emacs-bug-report>

Recent messages:
Quit
Checking new news...
Reading active file from private via nnml...
Reading incoming mail from file...
nnml: Reading incoming mail (no new mail)...done
Reading active file from private via nnml...done
Reading active file via nndraft...done
Reading active file from laura via nnmairix...done
Checking new news...done
Processing kill file /home/lconrad/News/KILL...done

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silent on the land below.  A mist covers the mountains.  We and our
land are crying for you.

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Message #8 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:19:22 +0100

Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org> writes:

> The hang is always after the "Reading active file from private via
> nnml...done" line, and the mail groups do not get an updated count.  If
> I then hit ^G, I can hit "g" again and the group counts are updated
> appropriately.  Here's what the *Messages* buffer has then:

If you set `debug-on-quit', `C-g' should hopefully give you a backtrace
that will point you to the offending backend.

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Message #11 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:06:41 -0500

>> The hang is always after the "Reading active file from private via
>> nnml...done" line, and the mail groups do not get an updated count.  If
>> I then hit ^G, I can hit "g" again and the group counts are updated
>> appropriately.  Here's what the *Messages* buffer has then:
> If you set `debug-on-quit', `C-g' should hopefully give you a backtrace
> that will point you to the offending backend.

Still, as I mentioned in some earlier bug-report (which I think I sent
to bug-gnus), better would be for the echo area messages to make it
clear which server(s) is currently being accessed.


        Stefan

Message #14 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:15:38 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Still, as I mentioned in some earlier bug-report (which I think I sent
> to bug-gnus), better would be for the echo area messages to make it
> clear which server(s) is currently being accessed.

Yes.  However, flashing everything that's being done will lead to a lot
of messages in the buffer, which wouldn't be very productive.

If Emacs had that `delayed-message' thing I've been twittering on about
for years, then Gnus could issue lots of progress info, but only the
relevant messages would reach the user.  (I.e., when Gnus really is
waiting for something.)

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Message #17 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 11:35:15 -0500

>> Still, as I mentioned in some earlier bug-report (which I think I sent
>> to bug-gnus), better would be for the echo area messages to make it
>> clear which server(s) is currently being accessed.
> Yes.  However, flashing everything that's being done will lead to a lot
> of messages in the buffer, which wouldn't be very productive.

I'm not saying "everything" just one message between each server.
I don't know about you, but I only have 4 servers here, so that just
adds 3 messages to each `g', which seems pretty reasonable.

Currently, Gnus often hangs on some nntp connection while the echo area
might keep saying something like "received 34k from imap.bla.bla".


        Stefan

Message #20 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 17:41:17 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> I'm not saying "everything" just one message between each server.
> I don't know about you, but I only have 4 servers here, so that just
> adds 3 messages to each `g', which seems pretty reasonable.

Well, no, that would be a lot more messages.  :-)  (But varying over
what kinds of backends they are, and what you've asked Gnus to fetch
from them...)

Gnus issues commands asynchronously to the servers and then waits on the
data from each of them.

If you switch on `gnus-backend-trace' you'll get a very partial subset
of the most important backend actions (i.e., the ones that typically
take some time).  I get 34 of these messages on hitting `g'.  But I
probably have more backends than you.

> Currently, Gnus often hangs on some nntp connection while the echo area
> might keep saying something like "received 34k from imap.bla.bla".

Yup.

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Message #23 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 00:31:20 -0500

>> I'm not saying "everything" just one message between each server.
>> I don't know about you, but I only have 4 servers here, so that just
>> adds 3 messages to each `g', which seems pretty reasonable.
> Well, no, that would be a lot more messages.  :-)  (But varying over
> what kinds of backends they are, and what you've asked Gnus to fetch
> from them...)
> Gnus issues commands asynchronously to the servers and then waits on the
> data from each of them.

But we still only need one message per backend: basically every time
a backend ends, state either which backend ended or which backends are
still busy.


        Stefan

Message #26 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:53:59 +0100

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

> But we still only need one message per backend: basically every time
> a backend ends, state either which backend ended or which backends are
> still busy.

I don't really see that helping much.  When opening the server, that may
take time, so we should say "Opening imap.gmail.com".  Then we probably
open a different server.  Then we issue commands to Gmail, which may
hang, so we should say "Retrieving group data from imap.gmail.com".
Then we issue similar commands to other servers.  Then we wait for the
data from Gmail, which will most likely block, so we should say "Waiting
for data from imap.gmail.com".

Multiply that by six servers, and you get a constant flutter in the
minibuffer if none of these commands actually hand.

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Message #29 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 11:52:58 -0500

>> But we still only need one message per backend: basically every time
>> a backend ends, state either which backend ended or which backends are
>> still busy.
> I don't really see that helping much.  When opening the server, that may
> take time, so we should say "Opening imap.gmail.com".  Then we probably
> open a different server.  Then we issue commands to Gmail, which may
> hang, so we should say "Retrieving group data from imap.gmail.com".
> Then we issue similar commands to other servers.  Then we wait for the
> data from Gmail, which will most likely block, so we should say "Waiting
> for data from imap.gmail.com".

My suggestion was to only do it when a backend finishes and not to do it
at the level of "backend command" but at a higher level (so when you hit
"g" in the *Groups* buffer, you'd get N messages if you have
N backends).


        Stefan

Message #32 received at 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org>
Cc: 13010 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#13010: 24.2; Gnus hangs getting mail
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:44:08 -0800

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Laura Conrad <lconrad <at> laymusic.org> writes:
>
>> The hang is always after the "Reading active file from private via
>> nnml...done" line, and the mail groups do not get an updated count.  If
>> I then hit ^G, I can hit "g" again and the group counts are updated
>> appropriately.  Here's what the *Messages* buffer has then:
>
> If you set `debug-on-quit', `C-g' should hopefully give you a backtrace
> that will point you to the offending backend.

More information was requested a year ago, but none were given, so
I'm closing this bug report.  Please reopen if further progress is made.

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