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‘gc-stats’ w/o ‘bytes-malloced’

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From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
To: bug-guile <at> gnu.org
Subject: ‘gc-stats’ w/o ‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 09:42:28 +0100

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In pre-2.x Guile, ‘gc-stats’ returns an alist w/ keys:

 gc-time-taken
 cells-allocated
 total-cells-allocated
 cell-heap-size
 bytes-malloced
 gc-malloc-threshold
 gc-times
 gc-mark-time-taken
 cells-marked
 cells-swept
 malloc-yield
 cell-yield
 protected-objects
 cell-heap-segments

In Guile 2.0.6, the keys are now:

 gc-time-taken
 heap-size
 heap-free-size
 heap-total-allocated
 heap-allocated-since-gc
 protected-objects gc-times

I think the NEWS should mention this change and the documentation should
summarize what the fields mean.  Practically speaking, i am interested
mostly in the 2.x equivalent for pre-2.x ‘bytes-malloced’, as its lack
causes Guile-SDL to fail "make check DEBUG=1":

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by tripping up proc:

 (define (malloced)
   ;; prudence or superstition?  you be the judge!
   (gc) (gc)
   (assq-ref (gc-stats) 'bytes-malloced))
 
in test/leak.scm.  A related issue is how the error is reported.  It
seems strange that the file is "unknown".

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Message #8 received at 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:52:09 +0100

On Thu 15 Nov 2012 09:42, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:

> In pre-2.x Guile, ‘gc-stats’ returns an alist w/ keys:
>
>  gc-time-taken
>  cells-allocated
>  total-cells-allocated
>  cell-heap-size
>  bytes-malloced
>  gc-malloc-threshold
>  gc-times
>  gc-mark-time-taken
>  cells-marked
>  cells-swept
>  malloc-yield
>  cell-yield
>  protected-objects
>  cell-heap-segments
>
> In Guile 2.0.6, the keys are now:
>
>  gc-time-taken
>  heap-size
>  heap-free-size
>  heap-total-allocated
>  heap-allocated-since-gc
>  protected-objects gc-times
>
> I think the NEWS should mention this change and the documentation should
> summarize what the fields mean.

The specifics of this interface were never documented, so there's no
regression.  For that reason I would not add to NEWS at this point, but
documentation would be nice.  Patches gladly accepted :)

> Practically speaking, i am interested mostly in the 2.x equivalent for
> pre-2.x ‘bytes-malloced’, as its lack causes Guile-SDL to fail "make
> check DEBUG=1":

What is the meaning of this field?

We could track total allocations registered via
scm_gc_register_allocation.

Regards,

Andy
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Message #11 received at 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:00:08 +0100

On Wed 06 Mar 2013 06:51, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:

>    What is the meaning of this field?
>
> It's a copy of the C global var ‘scm_mallocated’, which tracks "current
> allocation" (all malloced minus all freed).

There is no such C global var.

>    We could track total allocations registered via
>    scm_gc_register_allocation.
>
> Sounds complicated.

On the contrary, this function is called already for mallocations.

Andy
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Message #14 received at 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:03:50 +0100

On Wed 06 Mar 2013 08:41, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:

> () Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
> () Wed, 06 Mar 2013 08:00:08 +0100
>
>    On Wed 06 Mar 2013 06:51, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:
>
>    >    What is the meaning of this field?
>    >
>    > It's a copy of the C global var ‘scm_mallocated’, which tracks
>    > "current allocation" (all malloced minus all freed).
>
>    There is no such C global var.
>
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/tree/libguile/gc.c?h=ttn-back-in-the-saddle#n210            
>
> You have forgotten perhaps that we are trying to figure out how to surf
> a change between 1.8 and 2.0, and that "this field" is a 1.8 field?

1.8 is the old stable series, so it's not a great referent in the
present tense.

Anyway, Guile 2 does not track the number of bytes freed -- only the
bytes that are mallocated.

Andy
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Message #17 received at 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 07:53:41 +0100

On Wed 06 Mar 2013 20:28, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:

>    Anyway, Guile 2 does not track the number of bytes freed -- only the
>    bytes that are mallocated.
>
> OK, that's what i need to know.  I'll disable this particular test for
> Guile 2, then.  Thanks.

Cool.  I apologize if I came across as harsh.

Regards,

Andy
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Message #20 received at 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 20:21:53 +0100

On Thu 07 Mar 2013 13:29, Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org> writes:

> What is harsh, however, is the constant rejection by debbugs of my mail:
> <http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-guile/2013-03/threads.html>.
> Am i missing something?

I have no earthly idea why this is happening; it's certainly not
intentional.  Try mailing help-debbugs <at> gnu.org to get folks to grep the
logs?  If that ML is itself managed by debbugs, you could mail someone
directly I guess -- Jim Meyering perhaps?  Dunno.

Andy
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Message #23 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
To: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
Cc: bug-guile <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 21:05:19 +0100

() Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
() Thu, 07 Mar 2013 20:21:53 +0100

   [...] Dunno.

As an experiment, i've changed the cc to bug-guile in this response.
Maybe that will work.  Anyway, i'll followup w/ the debbugs folks.

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Message #28 received at 12892-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com>
To: Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn <at> gnuvola.org>
Cc: 12892-close <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#12892: ‘gc-stats’ w/o
	‘bytes-malloced’
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 12:09:27 +0100

On Wed 06 Mar 2013 17:03, Andy Wingo <wingo <at> pobox.com> writes:

> Guile 2 does not track the number of bytes freed -- only the bytes
> that are mallocated.

For this reason I'll close this bug, as it doesn't seem possible to
provide a good estimate on the current amount of bytes that are live but
untracked by GC.

Andy
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