From unknown Tue Jun 24 13:54:15 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#12886 <12886@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#12886 <12886@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Reply-To: bug#12886 <12886@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:54:15 +0000 retitle 12886 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" reassign 12886 emacs submitter 12886 Mark A. Mandel severity 12886 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 12:54:38 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 17:54:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42499 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhAb-0001Fk-2i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgY7-0000Hi-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:53 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgXU-0005qm-Hi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:15 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:44738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgXU-0005qi-ED for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39985) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgXR-0003pt-Bc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgXO-0005mQ-8w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:09 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu ([128.91.252.5]:60417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYgXO-0005mG-3v for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:06 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A0069E362 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.130.19.63] (unknown [10.130.19.63]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0C969E351 for ; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:05 -0500 (EST) From: Mark A. Mandel Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-943890168 Subject: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:04 -0500 Message-Id: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:54:35 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.2 (------) --Apple-Mail-3-943890168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii **When I hit ctl-C ctl-C to send the bug report, the message-ID came up = as you see below. So I've copied the whole message and am sending it = through the regular office email. Consider yourselves tickled.** ----------------------------- From: Mark Mandel To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cc: Mark Mandel Subject: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:07:24 -0500 Message-ID: = --text follows this line-- I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by looking for substrings. But when I use ctl-H ctl-A I see (what I guess is) the Gnu Emacs welcome or general info screen, and the minibuffer = says something like "To search for help on a subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": that is, "Keep hitting your head against this wall." I tried it several times, with the same dumb result.=20 Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in the ctl-H ? help command list. That worked, and *that*'s what the minibuffer should say under the general info screen. My email address is mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu, not the almost certainly useless address that this bug report command put into the "From:" line=20= (mamandel@Mark-Mandels-iMac-2.local). So I have changed it up there and also added my address as Cc. -- Mark A. Mandel In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) of 2010-05-08 on black.local Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038 configured using `configure '--host=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' = '--build=3Di686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' = 'build_alias=3Di686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' = 'CC=3Dgcc -mmacosx-version-min=3D10.5'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: nil value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: nil default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Apropos Minor modes in effect: show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: s-v =20 =20 =20 =20 s-=3D s-=3D s-=3D =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 x b =20 =20 x b 1 . SPC =20 2 . SPC =20 =20 =20 =20 x b 3 . SPC =20 =20 x b =20 =20 =20 =20 . s-a s-c s-v =20 C-SPC > C-w =20 =20 x w r a p =20 =20 =20 C-g=20 C-h C-a C-g C-x b =20 C-h C-a C-h C-a C-b C-g C-x b C-h=20 a C-g C-c C-h C-x C-g C-g C-g =20 C-x 0 =20 =20 =20 C-h C-a =20 C-g C-b C-g C-z C-x b C-x 1 C-h a r e g i=20 o n =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 C-h a w r a p =20 C-x 0 Recent messages: call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in = minibuffer For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 = times] Buffer is read-only: # Quit [2 times] Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. Quit [2 times] byte-code: Beginning of buffer [4 times] For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Quit [2 times] Type C-x 1 to remove help window. =20 byte-code: End of buffer [3 times] Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr message ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader gnus-util netrc time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1 hex-util hashcash mail-utils emacsbug help-mode view apropos paren cus-start cus-load time tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel ns-win easymenu tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process ns multi-tty emacs) --Apple-Mail-3-943890168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu>
= Cc: Mark Mandel <mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu>
Subject: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos"
Date: Wed, 14 = Nov 2012 12:07:24 -0500
Message-ID: = <ev5j7amwykxgdv.fsf@Mark-Mandels-iMac-2.local.i-did-not-set--mail-host-= address--so-tickle-me>
--text follows this = line--
I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., = find commands by
looking for substrings. But when I use ctl-H = ctl-A I see (what I guess
is) the Gnu Emacs welcome or general = info screen, and the minibuffer says something like
"To search = for help on a subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": that is, = "Keep
hitting your head against this wall." I tried it several = times, with the
same dumb = result. 

Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in = the ctl-H ? help command list. That
worked, and *that*'s what = the minibuffer should say under the general
info = screen.

My email address is mamandel@ldc.upenn.edu, not = the almost certainly
useless address that this bug report = command put into the "From:" line 
(mamandel@Mark-Mandels-i= Mac-2.local). So I have changed it up there and
also added = my address as Cc.

-- Mark A. = Mandel



In GNU = Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS = apple-appkit-1038.29)
 of 2010-05-08 on = black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version = 10.3.1038
configured using `configure =  '--host=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=3Di686-apple-darwin' = '--with-ns' 'build_alias=3Di686-apple-darwin' = 'host_alias=3Dx86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=3Dgcc = -mmacosx-version-min=3D10.5''

Important = settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value = of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: = nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value = of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: = nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of = $LANG: nil
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  = locale-coding-system: nil
  default = enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: = Apropos

Minor modes in effect:
  = show-paren-mode: t
  display-time-mode: = t
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: = t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  = file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: = t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: = t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  = auto-compression-mode: t
  column-number-mode: = t
  line-number-mode: t
  = transient-mark-mode: t

Recent = input:
s-v <help-echo> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
s-=3D s-=3D s-=3D = <help-echo> <wheel-up> <wheel-up> = <wheel-up> 
<wheel-up> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<drag-mouse-1> = <escape> x b <return> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 1 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-1> 2 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<drag-mouse-1> = <backspace> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<backspace> <backspace> = <backspace> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 3 . SPC = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> = <escape> 
x b <return> <wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <wheel-down> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-movement> 
<mouse-movement> = <drag-mouse-1> <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> . = s-a s-c <wheel-up> s-v <return> 
C-SPC = <escape> > C-w <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> <wheel-down> = <wheel-down> 
<down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> = <escape> x w r a p <tab> = <backspace> 
<backspace> <backspace> = <backspace> = <down-mouse-1> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> 
<mouse-movement> = <mouse-movement> <drag-mouse-1> C-g 
C-h C-a = C-g <return> C-x b <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
C-h C-a C-h C-a <return> C-b C-g = C-x b <return> C-h 
a C-g C-c C-h C-x C-g C-g C-g = <help-echo> <help-echo> 
<down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> C-x 0 <down-mouse-1> = <mouse-1> 
<wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> 
C-h C-a = <help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <drag-mouse-1> = <help-echo> 
C-g C-b C-g C-z C-x b <return> = C-x 1 C-h a r e g i 
o n <return> <help-echo> = <wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-up> 
<double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-up> <double-wheel-up> = <triple-wheel-up> 
<wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> <triple-wheel-up> = <wheel-down> 
<double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <wheel-down> 
<double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> <wheel-up> = <double-wheel-up> 
<wheel-down> = <double-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> = <triple-wheel-down> 
<wheel-up> = <wheel-up> <wheel-up> C-h a w r a p = <return> 
C-x 0 <menu-bar> <help-menu> = <send-emacs-bug-repor
t>

Recent = messages:
call-interactively: Command attempted to use = minibuffer while in minibuffer
For information about GNU Emacs = and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 times]
Buffer is = read-only: #<buffer *About GNU Emacs*>
Quit [2 = times]
Type C-x 1 to delete the help window.
Quit [2 = times]
byte-code: Beginning of buffer [4 times]
For = information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h = C-a.
Quit [2 times]
Type C-x 1 to remove help = window.  
byte-code: End of buffer [3 = times]

Load-path shadows:
None = found.

Features:
(shadow sort = mail-extr message ecomplete rfc822 mml mml-sec
password-cache = mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailcap mail-parse = rfc2231
rfc2047 rfc2045 qp ietf-drums mailabbrev nnheader = gnus-util netrc
time-date mm-util mail-prsvr gmm-utils = wid-edit mailheader canlock sha1
hex-util hashcash mail-utils = emacsbug help-mode view apropos paren
cus-start cus-load time = tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
mwheel ns-win = easymenu tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode
register = page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag = mouse
jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham = georgian
utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet = lao korean
japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech = european ethiopic indian
cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook = jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev
loaddefs button minibuffer = faces cus-face files text-properties overlay
md5 base64 format = env code-pages mule custom widget
hashtable-print-readable = backquote make-network-process ns = multi-tty
emacs)

= --Apple-Mail-3-943890168-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 13:36:00 2012 Received: (at 12886) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 18:36:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42579 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhoe-0002EU-8L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:36:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51836) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhoc-0002EN-3r for 12886@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:35:59 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhnz-0002MX-OE; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:35:19 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Mark A. Mandel Subject: Re: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" References: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> X-Spook: radar underground USCODE cybercash United Nations NSA CDC X-Ran: Mj;%`$%49%4N!*'X*t%a1VPFv!08/GUiD%Y-K!MepP61+ZX?$E*I5Qo(|c@WM,V$m8yM+r X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:35:19 -0500 In-Reply-To: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> (Mark A. Mandel's message of "Wed, 14 Nov 2012 12:14:04 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12886 Cc: 12886@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) Mark A. Mandel wrote: > I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by > looking for substrings. I can't find any version of Emacs in which C-h C-a runs apropos. I went back as far as 21.1. > But when I use ctl-H ctl-A I see (what I guess is) the Gnu Emacs > welcome or general info screen Yes, C-h C-a runs `about-emacs' since Emacs 22.2. Before that, it was undefined. > , and the minibuffer says something like "To search for help on a > subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": As we can see below in the *Messages* output, it actually says: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. which is true, but pointless, so the messages was removed recently and will be gone in Emacs 24.3. http://debbugs.gnu.org/12680 > Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in the ctl-H ? help command list. That > worked, and *that*'s what the minibuffer should say under the general > info screen. I disagree that the about-emacs screen needs to mention apropos. > In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) > of 2010-05-08 on black.local [...] > Recent messages: > call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in minibuffer > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 times] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 13:40:05 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 18:40:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42600 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhsa-0002Mh-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:40:05 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:51976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhsZ-0002Mb-Js for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:40:03 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhry-0003fK-TH for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:39:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:39:26 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 12886 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.4 (----) forcemerge 12680 12886 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 13:44:56 2012 Received: (at 12886) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 18:44:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42605 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhxI-0002UX-DO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:56 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu ([128.91.252.5]:57460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYhxG-0002UQ-Bj for 12886@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:55 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2A869E351; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.130.19.63] (unknown [10.130.19.63]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7126969E333; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Mark A. Mandel" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:44:17 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> To: Glenn Morris X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12886 Cc: 12886@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 12.11.14, at 13:35, Glenn Morris wrote: > Mark A. Mandel wrote: >=20 >> I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by >> looking for substrings. >=20 > I can't find any version of Emacs in which C-h C-a runs apropos. > I went back as far as 21.1. I'm sorry, then. I must be misremembering that. >=20 >> But when I use ctl-H ctl-A I see (what I guess is) the Gnu Emacs >> welcome or general info screen >=20 > Yes, C-h C-a runs `about-emacs' since Emacs 22.2. Before that, it was > undefined. >=20 >> , and the minibuffer says something like "To search for help on a >> subject, use ctl-H ctl-A": >=20 > As we can see below in the *Messages* output, it actually says: >=20 > For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Oh, heck. > which is true, but pointless, so the messages was removed recently > and will be gone in Emacs 24.3. http://debbugs.gnu.org/12680 >=20 >> Then I tried ctl-H A, which is in the ctl-H ? help command list. That >> worked, and *that*'s what the minibuffer should say under the general >> info screen. >=20 > I disagree that the about-emacs screen needs to mention apropos. :-( Yeah. My whole report only makes sense if ctl-H ctl-A is supposed = to get you to apropos. I didn't try to reproduce the problem because I was=20= afraid I'd be bumped out of the bug report window, so I was working from=20= memory. And since I'd been looking for apropos, I took "information=20 about GNU Emacs and the GNU system" as being a description of apropos, which is only true in the most general sense.=20 Summary: Ow, sorry for wasting your time.=20 Mark Mandel >=20 >> In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.29) >> of 2010-05-08 on black.local > [...] >> Recent messages: >> call-interactively: Command attempted to use minibuffer while in = minibuffer >> For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. [2 = times] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 14:58:44 2012 Received: (at 12886) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 19:58:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42725 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYj6i-000578-BC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:58:44 -0500 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.182]:23408) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYj6g-000570-PA for 12886@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:58:43 -0500 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EAG6Zu09sr+ZY/2dsb2JhbABEtBGBCIIVAQEEAVYjEAsOJhIUGA0kiBwFugmQRAOIQppxgViDBw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,637,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="207622110" Received: from 108-175-230-88.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.175.230.88]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 14 Nov 2012 14:58:05 -0500 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id B4138594C8; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:58:04 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Message-ID: References: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:58:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:35:19 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12886 Cc: "Mark A. Mandel" , 12886@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) >> I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by >> looking for substrings. > I can't find any version of Emacs in which C-h C-a runs apropos. > I went back as far as 21.1. Debian's `emacs19' doesn't either ;-) Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 14 15:19:36 2012 Received: (at 12886) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2012 20:19:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42762 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYjQu-0005bu-HG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:19:36 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu ([128.91.252.5]:38340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TYjQt-0005bo-1X for 12886@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:19:35 -0500 Received: from ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939A969E351; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.130.19.63] (unknown [10.130.19.63]) by ratatosk.ldc.upenn.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888A669E333; Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:18:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: bug#12886: 23.2; wrong message for "apropos" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: "Mark A. Mandel" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 15:18:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F38DCA8-E33B-4B73-8BE1-83AB0A489F7F@ldc.upenn.edu> References: <404AF2AA-EBA0-4B30-94FA-417FB5C5EC7A@ldc.upenn.edu> To: Stefan Monnier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-AV-Checked: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12886 Cc: Glenn Morris , 12886@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Yeah, I know... now. :-$ I replied to the first answer. Should I put it = up at the site or is it already there? I don't even know how to access = it outside of the bug report command in emacs. -- Mark On 12.11.14, at 14:58, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I am used to using ctl-H ctl-A for "apropos", i.e., find commands by >>> looking for substrings. >> I can't find any version of Emacs in which C-h C-a runs apropos. >> I went back as far as 21.1. >=20 > Debian's `emacs19' doesn't either ;-) >=20 >=20 > Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 24 13:54:15 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator