From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 09 19:13:51 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2012 00:13:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyhq-0001yM-4a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36335) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyho-0001yF-CM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:49 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyhd-000460-0c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:38 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_IN_XBL autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:45494) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyhc-00045w-TW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:36 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51816) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyhc-0000T3-5O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyhb-00045j-0b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:36 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:55248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWyha-00045d-Mz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 19:13:34 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([89.204.130.15]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MDgPG-1TYdO70jtu-00GaWx; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:13:33 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 24.2.50; Doc: `message': mention `message-log-max' Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:14:04 +0100 Message-ID: <87haoyxqk3.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:1Kei9gbPX09oCTnawokGv+0xOJUAXqU9lbLVNmx+rOu baHmyNQxFJrlQQlI58mKMbqbW1pZQRx5WEWBMNg9yxSBhxTTZX hwVADE0YrHu+R5q1Xaknx2WBZvSqyD0sTfi70MMq1Z4U39/Nuz CluANeF5InU1+T52uf5dw36fSvtw5JN985CY2I3WiuBqRPleOU 3opYV9WtcMccGhR9cjGThjnygpbPwmnUiX/jca7/RQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) Hi, I made the experience that many people don't know that logging messages (printed with `message') in the *Messages* buffer can be prevented with binding `message-log-max' to nil. Indeed, it's not easy to find in the doc, and the name `message-log-max' also doesn't sound as if this variable could have this effect. I think we should mention this effect of binding `message-log-max' to nil in the docstring of `message', e.g. by changing this sentence: The message also goes into the `*Messages*' buffer. to The message also goes into the `*Messages*' buffer if `message-log-max' is not nil. Thanks, Michael. In GNU Emacs 24.2.50.1 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.4.2) of 2012-11-01 on dex, modified by Debian (emacs-snapshot package, version 2:20121101-1) Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10707000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux testing (wheezy) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 09 23:51:59 2012 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2012 04:51:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58657 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TX331-0000kf-B2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45731) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32y-0000kX-R6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:57 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32m-0003e1-Sk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:45 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI,RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:36105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32m-0003dx-PL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:44 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32l-00086Z-Vo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:44 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32l-0003dn-7i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:43 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:60948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32l-0003dg-14 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:51:43 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TX32s-0001qN-4b for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:51:50 +0100 Received: from 119.255.41.67 ([119.255.41.67]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:51:50 +0100 Received: from sdl.web by 119.255.41.67 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 05:51:50 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Leo Subject: Re: bug#12849: 24.2.50; Doc: `message': mention `message-log-max' Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:51:32 +0800 Lines: 16 Message-ID: References: <87haoyxqk3.fsf@web.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 119.255.41.67 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2 (OS X 10.8.2) Cancel-Lock: sha1:YtQz7h9McfTyPxbboBNO4vUbCgs= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 208.118.235.17 X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.0 (---) On 2012-11-10 08:14 +0800, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > I made the experience that many people don't know that logging messages > (printed with `message') in the *Messages* buffer can be prevented with > binding `message-log-max' to nil. How about adding: (defsubst message-nolog (format-string &rest args) "Same as `message' except not writing to *Messages* buffer." (let (message-log-max) (apply 'message format-string args))) This could encourage elisp authors to choose what to log to *Messages* buffer. For example, ff-quiet-mode defaults to nil and, boy, this library can write thousands of useless lines to *Messages* buffer. Leo From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 10 11:51:11 2012 Received: (at 12849) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2012 16:51:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59726 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TXEH0-00024n-Q6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:51:11 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:56564) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TXEGy-00024f-As for 12849@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:51:09 -0500 Received: from drachen.dragon ([89.204.137.109]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MXpdL-1TryAs0IPX-00WN0m; Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:50:53 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Leo Subject: Re: bug#12849: 24.2.50; Doc: `message': mention `message-log-max' References: <87haoyxqk3.fsf@web.de> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:51:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Leo's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:51:32 +0800") Message-ID: <87ehk1pfjn.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:W2UErB+tuDR3DzBLP6fvksHyUcdKb2RHGMPlr0KPSuN eUQTj1AI2F177zNySmnYnUcXEZQNr+Q2QApQQpICtszon+wcnb Z124t4VJebqep6s8ZixP+FnEDMln9NsrLDNGRU2yuMo/vcz5lR aqTMWvP31n1KKgtuEKCSVxQeo2hmQCJ2PAMDnFYJcvcxIkmR0t gNV2t291wNHoUglIEQk+cEUG0w72dAlMIVBhwPuDeY= X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Leo writes: > How about adding: > > (defsubst message-nolog (format-string &rest args) > "Same as `message' except not writing to *Messages* buffer." > (let (message-log-max) (apply 'message format-string args))) > > This could encourage elisp authors to choose what to log to *Messages* > buffer. For example, ff-quiet-mode defaults to nil and, boy, this > library can write thousands of useless lines to *Messages* buffer. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Leo writes: > How about adding: > > (defsubst message-nolog (format-string &rest args) > "Same as `message' except not writing to *Messages* buffer." > (let (message-log-max) (apply 'message format-string args))) > > This could encourage elisp authors to choose what to log to *Messages* > buffer. For example, ff-quiet-mode defaults to nil and, boy, this > library can write thousands of useless lines to *Messages* buffer. [...] Content analysis details: (1.2 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.8 RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB RBL: SORBS: sender is an abusable web server [89.204.137.109 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.227.17.12 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (michael_heerdegen[at]web.de) -0.4 RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.4998] Leo writes: > How about adding: > > (defsubst message-nolog (format-string &rest args) > "Same as `message' except not writing to *Messages* buffer." > (let (message-log-max) (apply 'message format-string args))) > > This could encourage elisp authors to choose what to log to *Messages* > buffer. For example, ff-quiet-mode defaults to nil and, boy, this > library can write thousands of useless lines to *Messages* buffer. I would appreciate something like that (besides improving the doc). Maybe the same could be done for `with-temp-message'. Regards, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 15 21:42:50 2012 Received: (at 12849-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2012 02:42:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZBtK-0001by-L3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:42:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:45020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1TZBtJ-0001bs-6b for 12849-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:42:49 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TZBsa-0007Vt-Ds; Thu, 15 Nov 2012 21:42:04 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 12849-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#12849: 24.2.50; Doc: `message': mention `message-log-max' References: <87haoyxqk3.fsf@web.de> X-Spook: MD5 nitrate Vickie Weaver Syria Watergate analyzer UNSCOM X-Ran: `%x!)" (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sat, 10 Nov 2012 01:14:04 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 12849-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) Version: 24.3 Michael Heerdegen wrote: > I think we should mention this effect of binding `message-log-max' to > nil in the docstring of `message' Thanks; done. From unknown Thu Sep 11 18:37:14 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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